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Ho hum.
Federer should be in pretty good fettle for Cilic now.
Federer should be in pretty good fettle for Cilic now.
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Hey Tenez, are you of the view that Federer hasn’t burned himself out before the final?
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Oh. Chung ran himself to the ground in the earlier matches?
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Tenez wrote:Different levels but mine is the typical Green/brown/red...though it can be pink/grey Green/yellow.noleisthebest wrote:I don’t even kniw what colour blind is (in practice)Tenez wrote:I like th ecolours of the AO...from the court to the ball boys shirts...It's exotic.
I am colour blind so maybe that helps.
You can’t distinguish all colours?
I see all those colours distinctively at times depending on shades.
That is quite an interesting phenomenon.
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Well, this can count as an extra day of rest, brilliant!
Cilic is crying already!
Cilic is crying already!
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Cilic has the game and esp serve to beat Fed. It will be imperative that Fed keeps up the first serve and takes the big points.
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Before the Wimbledon final, I was already counting my chickens. Not quite as confident now - Cilic is, I think, more dangerous on HC and also I think he has played quite well here. Still, it will be very disappointing if Fed fails to get to #20 now.
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Daniel wrote:Cilic has the game and esp serve to beat Fed. It will be imperative that Fed keeps up the first serve and takes the big points.
He has the game but not the mind.
And don’t forget this is the final, you know Fed’s mentality...
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So this is #20, happyyyyyy, do not wanna hear any how Cilic has a chance on Sunday, he does not, take it from the expert here
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He's already wasted Fed once in a Slam. You're arguing with something that's already happened. He does have the mind. He's proven it.
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I know, 30 freakin’ Slam finals!
The guys records are going orbital, stuff of disbelief.
The guys records are going orbital, stuff of disbelief.
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Tenez wrote:Different levels but mine is the typical Green/brown/red...though it can be pink/grey Green/yellow.noleisthebest wrote:I don’t even kniw what colour blind is (in practice)Tenez wrote:I like th ecolours of the AO...from the court to the ball boys shirts...It's exotic.
I am colour blind so maybe that helps.
You can’t distinguish all colours?
I see all those colours distinctively at times depending on shades.
I'm Red/Orange color blind, i.e cant drive a train or be a pilot, thats whats the doc said after the test, so hard to distinguish a orange figure inside a red figure kind of test.
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So Fed is rested and no more tired then Cilic for the Final.
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I don;t think you can actually teach that. That's why if you are a coach of someone who has not that guild and variety, you will try to form better Nadals and Djokos.barrystar wrote:..
On another note - if Federer can stay around at the very top for the next 18 months and throw in a few more performances like this his true legacy may be to ram it home to coaches and up-and-coming players that they need to strive for variety.
Cause if you wish to use/develop your talent and variety, then you will be competing with those who have plenty of it like Shapo, Fed, Stan, Nalby, etc...And therefore the most likely chance to beat them is to built an even fitter body, take the match to a physical level which will bring those talented players down.
Problem is that as you say you are likely to be more prone to injuries and a shorter career.
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Extraordinary - Fed has played 1387 matches on tour, not one retirement, and he has given 3 walkovers.
His interviews are increasingly showing that he has reached an extraordinary point of relaxation - he was revealing about how tough he found being out-gunned by Djoko and Nadal (he wouldn't have admitted that when it was getting to him). No doubt we will hear more about that as he winds his career down.
On another score - I think Jim Courier does his job well.
His interviews are increasingly showing that he has reached an extraordinary point of relaxation - he was revealing about how tough he found being out-gunned by Djoko and Nadal (he wouldn't have admitted that when it was getting to him). No doubt we will hear more about that as he winds his career down.
On another score - I think Jim Courier does his job well.
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Jimbo is lovely, precise, no bullshitter, to the point.
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The Courier interview has become something to really enjoy. Always a twist or a new angle.
It’s even better than Sue Barker ........ urgh
It’s even better than Sue Barker ........ urgh
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Daniel wrote:He's already wasted Fed once in a Slam. You're arguing with something that's already happened. He does have the mind. He's proven it.
I had doubts about his mental fortitude before the SF, which is why I rated him as a similar challenge to Berdych. I was wrong - I think that the way he fought back vs. Nadal after going a set down is ample proof that he has the mind for this tournament. There is unfinished business after Wimbledon, they both know it. He has fought and fought for another chance, he now has it, and he has power and a bit more variety than others. He is an exceedingly dangerous opponent.
Both should be well-rested, in good condition, and have a clear view as to how to play the other - it's a behind the sofa match for me.
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Andrew Neill: Hopefully that gives #Federer a bit of time to work on his first serve before Sunday. Can't get only 32% in in the first set v Cilic and expect to be ok.
Richard Hinman: Retiring from your first slam semi-final against the greatest ever because of blisters is beyond strange.
Martin Litte: I play tennis just like Roger federer... The problem I have is my alarm clock keeps waking me up.
Richard Hinman: Retiring from your first slam semi-final against the greatest ever because of blisters is beyond strange.
Martin Litte: I play tennis just like Roger federer... The problem I have is my alarm clock keeps waking me up.
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[size=21]Holiday friends
[/size][size=18]What does Federer think of his final opponent, Marin Cilic, who he played in the final of Wimbledon last year?
"We saw it against Rafa and Edmund - he brings power and everything," said the Swiss.
"He's a really nice guy. He had similar problem as Chung in the final at Wimbledon. It will help him that he's had two days off and he hasn't had to come through a tough semi-final. We'll see a fresh Marin. He believes he can come this far, he will go far.
"We actually saw each other on vacation in the Maldives a couple of months and we played together. We were both looking for a hitting partner!"[/size]
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Chung is relying too much on his mouvement. He is too heavy physically to play a la Djoko.
He has been injured too much for a youngster already.
He has been injured too much for a youngster already.
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But will do some damage in next few years after learning a bit more
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In short - he is stuffed.Tenez wrote:Chung is relying too much on his mouvement. He is too heavy physically to play a la Djoko.
He has been injured too much for a youngster already.
I must say I found it funny he both retired and had blisters, really a baby Nole.
Even wearing Lacoste!
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I still think the tour will be interesting to follow in 2-3 years.
All these youngsters are good and have a variety of budding personalities.
All these youngsters are good and have a variety of budding personalities.
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I know it might have been hurting, but to retire in a Slam semi against the GOAT is off, way off.
He should have muddled through, played for honour and taken the loss on the court. He might regret this in the future.
He should have muddled through, played for honour and taken the loss on the court. He might regret this in the future.
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yep. Edmund showed much more determination after his injury...though he was playing a flaky player and managed to get to a TB.
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The only danger I see in Cilic is that he knows against Federer he has nothing to lose.
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bogbrush wrote:I know it might have been hurting, but to retire in a Slam semi against the GOAT is off, way off.
He should have muddled through, played for honour and taken the loss on the court. He might regret this in the future.
Aye - Federer said some nice words and acknowledged the extreme unpleasantness of blisters without any 'subtle' asides, but his actions in never retiring tell the story.
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That’s how he started in Wimbledon...Tenez wrote:The only danger I see in Cilic is that he knows against Federer he has nothing to lose.
I even read yesterday Cilic said he has better chance vs Fed than Chung.
To me that only says he is dead already.
I think Cilic is dreading another embarrasing collpase.
That will be Fed’s best card.
Cilic is no different than Berdych: a bit of a false “brave” start, super gutsy...only to melt in minutes like april snow.
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Btw, I want my full doubled points for prediction today.
Just to make it clear!
Just to make it clear!
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barrystar wrote:bogbrush wrote:I know it might have been hurting, but to retire in a Slam semi against the GOAT is off, way off.
He should have muddled through, played for honour and taken the loss on the court. He might regret this in the future.
Aye - Federer said some nice words and acknowledged the extreme unpleasantness of blisters without any 'subtle' asides, but his actions in never retiring tell the story.
I have the feeling he retired once....recently? no?
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bogbrush wrote:Hey Tenez, are you of the view that Federer hasn’t burned himself out before the final?
I agree. Certainly helped by Chung's blisters. It turned out to be a nice training session> His first serve is a worry.....but just shows his age. It should get better as his body warms up.
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BH seems stable so far, think Cilic will do a Nadal and hit on Fed BH quite a lot.
Need a good first serve and aces.
Need a good first serve and aces.
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Fed on Chung's game;
There was an outcry when he said Andy Murray was a bit passive a few years back, but he was right. He's not playing mind-games when he talks about these things, he just avoids passing detailed comment on his real rivals like Nadal or Djoko. Listen and learn Chung if you know what's good for you.
The question is with that kind of a game, you just got to take care of your body, also the schedule maybe.
There was an outcry when he said Andy Murray was a bit passive a few years back, but he was right. He's not playing mind-games when he talks about these things, he just avoids passing detailed comment on his real rivals like Nadal or Djoko. Listen and learn Chung if you know what's good for you.
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Yeah, I’ve been wondering how Cilic gets over those scars. I can imagine him starting really well but what happens if Federer starts pushing him around? What if he feels the match score slipping? That’s when reserves of confidence really matter, or in the opposite case panic sets in.
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I find it hard to believe anyone with an IQ over 80 thought Federer would go down to Chung. He isn't Djokovic with a lame baseline game.
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Cilic doesn't scare Federer in the slightest.bogbrush wrote:Yeah, I’ve been wondering how Cilic gets over those scars. I can imagine him starting really well but what happens if Federer starts pushing him around? What if he feels the match score slipping? That’s when reserves of confidence really matter, or in the opposite case panic sets in.
His 1 loss to him was when Cilic played 10 times better than he normally does and Fed had a smaller racquet back then.
Just hope he isn't sick or anything
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No but he beat Djokovic.AceofDeath wrote:I find it hard to believe anyone with an IQ over 80 thought Federer would go down to Chung. He isn't Djokovic with a lame baseline game.
We now he got those blisters before that match....so difficult to really judge. I saw enough rallies to believe that a fit Chung would have made the match closer.
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Oh yes so we're now down to every single match being explained by injury. Yay!
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AceofDeath wrote:Cilic doesn't scare Federer in the slightest.bogbrush wrote:Yeah, I’ve been wondering how Cilic gets over those scars. I can imagine him starting really well but what happens if Federer starts pushing him around? What if he feels the match score slipping? That’s when reserves of confidence really matter, or in the opposite case panic sets in.
His 1 loss to him was when Cilic played 10 times better than he normally does and Fed had a smaller racquet back then.
Just hope he isn't sick or anything
That;s a good point. Tired by the Monfils 5 setter too!
And yet fed had good opps to win that first or second set.
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Yes, but what can Chung do differently.barrystar wrote:Fed on Chung's game;The question is with that kind of a game, you just got to take care of your body, also the schedule maybe.
There was an outcry when he said Andy Murray was a bit passive a few years back, but he was right. He's not playing mind-games when he talks about these things, he just avoids passing detailed comment on his real rivals like Nadal or Djoko. Listen and learn Chung if you know what's good for you.
Everything in his game revolves around his movement.
How can he attack with that serve?
I know you will all jump on me, but Asian players all play the same, repetitive, uncreative tennis.
They are good at perfecting the already discovered things.
Look at Nishi : he has the God given ball striking talent, hand to eye coordination near Fed’s...and what did he do with it?
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Daniel wrote:Oh yes so we're now down to every single match being explained by injury. Yay!
Every match, esp those big ones has a background.
It’s important to remember the draw, length spent on the court, opponents.
You bring al, that to the final.
You cannot compare dead Federer or Djokovic killing each other at USO and AO SFs to Nadal laughing fresh in the other half, often with an extra day of rest.
It all counts.
Those losses hurt us fans, too, you know!
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barrystar wrote:Fed on Chung's game;The question is with that kind of a game, you just got to take care of your body, also the schedule maybe.
There was an outcry when he said Andy Murray was a bit passive a few years back, but he was right. He's not playing mind-games when he talks about these things, he just avoids passing detailed comment on his real rivals like Nadal or Djoko. Listen and learn Chung if you know what's good for you.
Being passive and only having limited talent to play a certain way are 2 different things.
Chung will learn from this himself without the input from others.
The best way any athlete gets the best of their abilities is through self-discovery.
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noleisthebest wrote:..
Look at Nishi : he has the God given ball striking talent, hand to eye coordination near Fed’s...and what did he do with it?
He would have done much more with a better serve (being taller), including beating Djoko a few times.
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Ok height is a big factor, but with his ball timing he should be serving better.Tenez wrote:noleisthebest wrote:..
Look at Nishi : he has the God given ball striking talent, hand to eye coordination near Fed’s...and what did he do with it?
He would have done much more with a better serve (being taller), including beating Djoko a few times.
Even a much shirter Schwartzman has a better serve....
Nishi is a Boletieri boy.
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AceofDeath wrote:Cilic doesn't scare Federer in the slightest.bogbrush wrote:Yeah, I’ve been wondering how Cilic gets over those scars. I can imagine him starting really well but what happens if Federer starts pushing him around? What if he feels the match score slipping? That’s when reserves of confidence really matter, or in the opposite case panic sets in.
His 1 loss to him was when Cilic played 10 times better than he normally does and Fed had a smaller racquet back then.
Just hope he isn't sick or anything
Not true. He had the bigger racquet from AUS '14. He got beaten by Cilic at US Open '14.
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luvsports! wrote:AceofDeath wrote:Cilic doesn't scare Federer in the slightest.bogbrush wrote:Yeah, I’ve been wondering how Cilic gets over those scars. I can imagine him starting really well but what happens if Federer starts pushing him around? What if he feels the match score slipping? That’s when reserves of confidence really matter, or in the opposite case panic sets in.
His 1 loss to him was when Cilic played 10 times better than he normally does and Fed had a smaller racquet back then.
Just hope he isn't sick or anything
Not true. He had the bigger racquet from AUS '14. He got beaten by Cilic at US Open '14.
That racquet was not the finished version he is olaying with niw, also just changed it then...he played like it was annokd racquet.
Only adter Ljubicic tweaked his BH in the off season did he come back in style and started being unbeatable.
Everything was better: bh, fhm serve...even though he is 3 years older now!
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I think the racquet though being bigger at the AO is not the same as the USO....meaniong Fed was still trying and testing new racquets. I think he definetely settled for one in summer 14....when I am not sure but in any case, we can't expect him to feel 100% with his new racquet by that time.luvsports! wrote:AceofDeath wrote:Cilic doesn't scare Federer in the slightest.bogbrush wrote:Yeah, I’ve been wondering how Cilic gets over those scars. I can imagine him starting really well but what happens if Federer starts pushing him around? What if he feels the match score slipping? That’s when reserves of confidence really matter, or in the opposite case panic sets in.
His 1 loss to him was when Cilic played 10 times better than he normally does and Fed had a smaller racquet back then.
Just hope he isn't sick or anything
Not true. He had the bigger racquet from AUS '14. He got beaten by Cilic at US Open '14.
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