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luvsports! wrote:who were the crowd supporting nitb, or was it just a bit flat?
No idea....A few Frenchies were doing their a-lllleeeeez, also a few Spanish teenage girls yelled Vamos Mooray and that was it....
It was pretty late for the crowd to hang around, I think. Murray is probably eating sushi in his ice-bath now
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luvsports! wrote:gutsy hold saving 2 mp's but simon down early in the TB, allez simon!
I thought you were a Murray fan.
Too tired for your questiom...tomorrow am. I blame Murray and Simon.
Good night all.
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PAH, i've never been much of a murray fan, less and less so nowadays.
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Rather disappointing day of results. Oh well.
Ferrer's win makes the chase for #4 seeding at RG much simpler now. For Rafa to be seeded #4 at RG, he has to win both here and in Rome; and Ferrer must not reach SF in Rome.
I would say the odds are still slightly against Rafa getting to #4, but it is getting closer.
Ferrer's win makes the chase for #4 seeding at RG much simpler now. For Rafa to be seeded #4 at RG, he has to win both here and in Rome; and Ferrer must not reach SF in Rome.
I would say the odds are still slightly against Rafa getting to #4, but it is getting closer.
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summerblues wrote:Rather disappointing day of results. Oh well.
Ferrer's win makes the chase for #4 seeding at RG much simpler now. For Rafa to be seeded #4 at RG, he has to win both here and in Rome; and Ferrer must not reach SF in Rome.
I would say the odds are still slightly against Rafa getting to #4, but it is getting closer.
I still don't understand how Nadal can be number 4 for RG. Doesn't matter, anyway. The way they have tailored his draw in Madrid (and his main opponent's) makes the "importance" of seeding irrelevant.....disgusting!
Somebody has to say it
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I actually think that the odds for him to be 4th are higher than him staying 5th.
Djoko can certainly stop him in Rome but it is a tall order. Whereas Ferrer is far from guaranteed reaching semi there.
The good news is that if Nadal plays and win Madrid and Rome..he might be tired by RG....
When will I ever learn that Nadal never tires? ......well apart in October after 2 months of rest!!!
Djoko can certainly stop him in Rome but it is a tall order. Whereas Ferrer is far from guaranteed reaching semi there.
The good news is that if Nadal plays and win Madrid and Rome..he might be tired by RG....
When will I ever learn that Nadal never tires? ......well apart in October after 2 months of rest!!!
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I've had this strange feeling/observation recently that nobody has been playing any really great tennis consistently. There's an odd game or set here and there, but it quickly fizzes away.
All the players seem a bit tired, the whole tour has this dusty, stale air about it.
It doesn't say a lot when Nadal comes back from 7 months "off" and wins IW.
Good job Novak won Monte Carlo, even with a sore ankle!!!
Fed just tired and not bothered until Wimbledon.
Murray not tired and very bothered but just painful to watch (and listen to)
Even this mini breakthrough from Dimitrov is more media new blood craving than anything tennis-exciting.
Stan actually plays the best tennis at the moment and it would be great to see him do well in Madrid.
All the players seem a bit tired, the whole tour has this dusty, stale air about it.
It doesn't say a lot when Nadal comes back from 7 months "off" and wins IW.
Good job Novak won Monte Carlo, even with a sore ankle!!!
Fed just tired and not bothered until Wimbledon.
Murray not tired and very bothered but just painful to watch (and listen to)
Even this mini breakthrough from Dimitrov is more media new blood craving than anything tennis-exciting.
Stan actually plays the best tennis at the moment and it would be great to see him do well in Madrid.
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I actually agree here. Stan currently provides the best tennis but he is erratic.
I am not sure how to analyse yesterday match. Was Stan playing better in those last 2 sets ...or was he simply allowed to play better cause Dimi was tiring?
I think Stan was not playing great in that first set.
Problem with Dimi is that he cannot quite take the ball a bit earlier and is therefore condemned to do lots of running. This is a crucial flaw for winning many slams.
I am not sure how to analyse yesterday match. Was Stan playing better in those last 2 sets ...or was he simply allowed to play better cause Dimi was tiring?
I think Stan was not playing great in that first set.
Problem with Dimi is that he cannot quite take the ball a bit earlier and is therefore condemned to do lots of running. This is a crucial flaw for winning many slams.
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Tenez wrote:I actually agree here. Stan currently provides the best tennis but he is erratic.
I am not sure how to analyse yesterday match. Was Stan playing better in those last 2 sets ...or was he simply allowed to play better cause Dimi was tiring?
I think Stan was not playing great in that first set.
Problem with Dimi is that he cannot quite take the ball a bit earlier and is therefore condemned to do lots of running. This is a crucial flaw for winning many slams.
Good question, and I was thinking about it while I was watching the match.
Stan has been no stranger to very long matches, and since he is no grinder, he must be a slow starter. Yesterday on top of it all, he actually looked a bit taken aback with Dimitrov's surge.
You know how Stan is not the most assuming and in-your-face character, I wouldn't be surprised if he gave a bit too much credit to Dimitrov, who also did have a full tank in the first set and was returning/retreiving everything.
The energy, initiative, confidence were all on Dimitrov's side in that first set, Stan was kind of trying to play his game but it just lacked that authoritative stamp it must have and usually has in order to impose himself. That happened later in the match. I think the key was in Dimitrov's retreiving, but also can't help ignoring the fact that Stan started slowish as well. Strange one.
I was a bit surprised with how subdued Stan was, like he was half-asleep, again I think it was just his reaction to Dimitrov's "onslaught", which to me is now emerging as his (Dimitrov's) pattern of play. So, in that respect, it was quite interesting to see him run out of gas and with the gas went all his confidence and chasing the ball, he didn't even bother moving for the very last one Stan sent him, which he certainly would have done in the first set.
In hindight, I am now even more surprised at how long he could last against Nole, he covered more ground than him, as well. And all that while "cramping".
Dimitrov's future will depend a lot on his fitness in slams as he does not take the ball early at all and prefers to stay glued to the base-line, which is a shame as his forehand is still good enough for it to be coming forward esp after landing first serves in, which as I looked yesterday at the stats (that's new for me!!!!) were surprisingly in their 50s% against Novak.
So, maybe it's the serve that is holding him back. Confidence is definitely there and I like it, he'll be needing it!
Imagine Stan with it!
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Nadal - Ferrer just started, I suppose I could endure a game or two.....
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Nadalclearly too much time again between points. Knows that v Ferrer it could be a long and tough battle.
Nadal saving 3 BPs....
Nadal saving 3 BPs....
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and at last getting a time warning!!! Crowd not happy.
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Remember everyone when I was saying 6 or 7 years ago that every 5 to 30s secs extra Nadal takes between point turned into hour or more of extra breathing in a 5 setter and that he could not win a slam without that extra time.
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Their last 3 matches (all happened to be on clay)
Rome 2012, 7:6 6:0 (scary)
RG 2012 6:2 6:2 6:1 (even scarier)
Acapulco 2013 6:0 6:2 (I actually saw bits of it, it was horrible)
So, Ferrer MUST hold serve!!!!
Nadal and his moaning "Is it good for the show?" JUST: DIS-GUS-TING!!!!!!!!!!!
Rome 2012, 7:6 6:0 (scary)
RG 2012 6:2 6:2 6:1 (even scarier)
Acapulco 2013 6:0 6:2 (I actually saw bits of it, it was horrible)
So, Ferrer MUST hold serve!!!!
Nadal and his moaning "Is it good for the show?" JUST: DIS-GUS-TING!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tenez wrote:Remember everyone when I was saying 6 or 7 years ago that every 5 to 30s secs extra Nadal takes between point turned into hour or more of extra breathing in a 5 setter and that he could not win a slam without that extra time.
Yes, T I think we remember
You did show a lot of excellent insight over the years.
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This is hillarioius!
I am having this horrible add I can't get rid of, some cockcroach running across the screen while Nadal is serving
I am having this horrible add I can't get rid of, some cockcroach running across the screen while Nadal is serving
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I cannot emphasise enough how disgusted I am with Nadal and his moaning over time warnings, bullying of the umpire with that "Is it good for the sow?" question...
I mean WHAT SHOW!!!!!!??????? His, as Safin once called it "rabbit running"?
I mean WHAT SHOW!!!!!!??????? His, as Safin once called it "rabbit running"?
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Ferrer is an utter idiotnot to be putting all those short balls away, and when he finally summoned guts to step forward he lined it up super nicely to Nadal on a plate to pass him bindfolded, I just don't get him....
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noleisthebest wrote:This is hillarioius!
I am having this horrible add I can't get rid of, some cockcroach running across the screen while Nadal is serving
Are you sure it's Nadal serving?
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I really want Novak to demolish Nadal in Roland Garros. It simply has to be done. Once and for all. In straight sets.
And then come back to Madrid next year and lose again in the second round. Because he can.
And then come back to Madrid next year and lose again in the second round. Because he can.
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Time to nail that first set, VAMOS DAVIIIIIIIIIID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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SET POINT!!!!!
Come ooooooooooooon
Come ooooooooooooon
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Daviiiiiid you beauty (self-loath, yuk-yuk!)!!!!!!!!!
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noleisthebest wrote:I really want Novak to demolish Nadal in Roland Garros. It simply has to be done. Once and for all. In straight sets.
And then come back to Madrid next year and lose again in the second round. Because he can.
Was done actually....4 years ago by a tall swedish player.
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Tenez wrote:noleisthebest wrote:I really want Novak to demolish Nadal in Roland Garros. It simply has to be done. Once and for all. In straight sets.
And then come back to Madrid next year and lose again in the second round. Because he can.
Was done actually....4 years ago by a tall swedish player.
Not in straight sets
Is this umpire French, his accent sounds like he is.
Seems to be resistant to continuing Nadal's moaning
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That was a great point from Ferrer, Nadal simply can't last long in the rallies any more, keep running and making him run Ferrru!!!!!!
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Back and happy to see Ferrer still goin'
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Who says Nadal has good volleys? Despite his big arms he is so cautious about them they are never whipped,almost always pushed. He has good touch usually because he has a light racket and big muscles but I have hardly ever seen him punch a ow volley in teh corner.
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Tenez wrote:Who says Nadal has good volleys? Despite his big arms he is so cautious about them they are never whipped,almost always pushed. He has good touch usually because he has a light racket and big muscles but I have hardly ever seen him punch a ow volley in teh corner.
You're right. He just does the flick-over ones, does have good feel for them, though, but not the proper volleying.
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You know Nadal's knackered when he stops grunting....
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BP Ferrer...Nadal takes 45second first serve!!!!!! Didn't he get a warning already? That shoudl have easily been penalty point!!!!
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And he breaks!!!!!!YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH
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I know people will say that in 2013 he did well despite teh rule but the fact is he still doesn't care about it!!!!
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If he could, Nadal would borrow a ticket and return from the higher row of seats
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Ferrer thought he had crossed the line...school boy error v Nadal.
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Tenez wrote:I know people will say that in 2013 he did well despite teh rule but the fact is he still doesn't care about it!!!!
Well he will push as far as he is allowed to. Terrible rudeness and such a bully. It's a mystery to me how he got that Stefan Edberg award. Players must've been bribed heavily!
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Another over cautious volley from Nadal.
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Cockcroach add again! This is really funny as the thing is literally pacing left and right right acoross the base line
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It's so difficult to find the right balance v Nadal. You want to go for too much by fear of his retrieving. Like in that last BP...Ferrer with a bit composure would have wacked that BH DTL but just rushed it.
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I didn't see the end of that game, my stream went dead. But Ferrer did look a tiny bit tired at the start of it with that wobbly serving. He is really needing to play at top of his ability and it is so relentlessly demanding for him, poor guy!
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And he breaks back and holds!!!!
Break for the match now Ferrruuuuuuuuu
Break for the match now Ferrruuuuuuuuu
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Nadal really abusing time now and the umpire saying nothing.....
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Ferrer really missed his opportunity when he had an easy ball for 2 MPs and instead of blasting it CC played back on Nadal.
Ferrer can still win this 3rd set...in fact he would have won it had he not been for Nadal being allowed that extra time.
Ferrer can still win this 3rd set...in fact he would have won it had he not been for Nadal being allowed that extra time.
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Oh dear, that scrap was demoralising.....
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Playing Nadal is like holding a wet fish in your hands, you think you've got it and the next moment....it slips away!
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It's good to see Nadal miss his forehand even at 5:0 up in the third...
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And that's the end of 'THE SHOW"...
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Ended with a bagel. Ferrer should volunteer to give the 4th place to Nadal, this would save him some face. 4th seed being humiliated with donuts at will? He should even consider retiring.
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raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Ended with a bagel. Ferrer should volunteer to give the 4th place to Nadal, this would save him some face. 4th seed being humiliated with donuts at will? He should even consider retiring.
I think Nadal should retire as his dope-helped superhuman fitness is humiliating all other honest players and tennis fans.
Ferrer just totally ran out of energy at the end of second set. He fought with all his might and played his heart out. We can't blame him for the third set, maybe for a few wrong shot selections in the second.
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Nadal's doctors are excellent. We have to give him, well them, that.
It's quite smart though to have created this game forcing everybody to run to exhaustion. Old school but nicely re-adapted. Wawrinka can probably beat Nadal.
It's quite smart though to have created this game forcing everybody to run to exhaustion. Old school but nicely re-adapted. Wawrinka can probably beat Nadal.
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