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Post by Tenez on Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:12 pm

The race is biased. There is only one honest and talented player.

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Post by HIS20RY on Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:17 pm

Tenez wrote:The race is biased. There is only one honest and talented player.

I thought you would be celebrating the beautiful symmetry of 20-20 in the year 2020

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Post by HIS20RY on Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:18 pm

Also I did not think Nadal would equalise the slam count.

I think the only person on this forum who predicted it was NITB actually (altho she reckoned that djokovic would overtake them both which is still possible).

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Post by naxroy on Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:33 pm

there is a high chance of them all ending 20-20-20

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Post by naxroy on Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:22 am

for his 20 slams, Nadal has defeated Roger or Novak 11 times in the final

for his 20 slams, Federer has defeated Rafa or Novak 4 times in the final

for his 17 slams, Novak has defeated Rafa or Roger 8 times in the final


Nadal lost to Roger or Novak 7 slam finals out of 8
Roger lost to Rafa or NovakĀ  10 slam finals out of 11
Novak lost to Rafa or Roger 6 slam finals out of 10


Nadal found Roger or Novak in 18/28 finals with a 61% success rate
Roger found Rafa or Novak in 14/31 finals with a 29% success rate
Novak found Rafa or Roger in 14/27 finals with a 57% succes rate

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Post by Tenez on Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:01 pm

Does it matter whether it was defeated in Slams final or in earlier slams final?
But the real thing that matters to me is that Federer is from another generation and manage to beat Nadal and Djokovic with a 90in racquet and that neither Nadal or Djokovic would have been able to beat Federer with such a racquet. It took Federer a long time to change racquet but that is not entirely his fault.

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Post by naxroy on Thu Oct 15, 2020 1:28 pm

agree, it is incredible how Federer was able to keep his success even when these younger guys appeared 5 and 6 younger than him. And it is not fair to compare them or study their H2H without taking into consideration this difference in age.

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Post by HIS20RY on Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:48 pm

Federer is still very much in this slam chase, he definitely has a shot at at least Wimbledon next year.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:34 pm

HIS20RY wrote:Federer is still very much in this slam chase, he definitely has a shot at at least Wimbledon next year.

I really don't think so. Federer is simply too old now. And that is me saying it...you know the guy who always said players don;t peak at 26....but actually later. But it is obvious now that Federer cannot play his best at the business end of a slam. Neither can Djoko and Nadal as a matter of fact. Who they play before getting to the final is detrimental for the outcome of that final.

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Post by HIS20RY on Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:40 pm

He nearly won Wimbledon last year, why would he not be in contention for it next year? Premature assumption.

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Post by Daniel2 on Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:21 pm

Federer also has competition on grass lol

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Post by Daniel2 on Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:22 pm

Also slam chase doesn't mean shit when they're all played on slow courts.

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Post by HIS20RY on Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:01 pm

Daniel2 wrote:Federer also has competition on grass lol
Djokovic is a big threat, Nadal probably not; and then it's not like any of the next generation are that good on grass?

In fact out of the under 30's, the strongest player is probably Thiem, whose best surface is clay.
I've never seen Thiem, Zverev, Medvedev, Tsitsipas etc. ever look that good on grass.

Federer does have a shot at Wimbledon this year, I believe it. Djokovic, since Wimb2019, keeps hyping himself up to the media talking about how he's ready and determined to overtake Federer's records. However, this may inadvertently lead to him putting more pressure on himself and backfiring.
For example: 1. USO DQ. 2. Ahead of the RG final, Nole said he was confident due to the conditions, and his coach said Nadal had no chance. Then, after Nadal blitzed him in the first few games, Nole looked frightened and confused.

I can see that possibly repeating in Wimbledon final. Djokovic initially too cocky, Federer turns up in style, Djokovic mentally panics, Federer wins.

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