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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:16 am

It doesn't help that Djokovic is playing his best tennis today either. That doesn't help at all.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by AceofDeath on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:17 am

Federer is indecisive whether he should get forward or back. Novak very mobile and doing what he always does.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:17 am

No good. federer had chances there yet again.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:18 am

FK - Do you admit that Djoko is a better player now than he was in the past? I definitely do.

I feel Feds is more inconsistent but when he puts it together (ala Murray sf wimby) he is better than ever but has more off days now.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:18 am

luvsports! wrote:FK - Do you admit that Djoko is a better player now than he was in the past? I definitely do.

I feel Feds is more inconsistent but when he puts it together (ala Murray sf wimby) he is better than ever but has more off days now.

Depends what year you mean. The thing is, 04-07 Federer would have trounced him here. He's 34 for Christ's sake. What do you think Novak will be doing at 34 aside from claiming a pension?

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:19 am

FedererKing wrote:It doesn't help that Djokovic is playing his best tennis today either.  That doesn't help at all.
This is not his best tennis. Just most physical.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:20 am

noleisthebest wrote:
FedererKing wrote:It doesn't help that Djokovic is playing his best tennis today either.  That doesn't help at all.
This is not his best tennis. Just most physical.

His backhand and forehand shots are eclipsing current Federer's.  For sure. And then we throw in the 1st serve %.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by AceofDeath on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:20 am

luvsports! wrote:FK - Do you admit that Djoko is a better player now than he was in the past? I definitely do.

I feel Feds is more inconsistent but when he puts it together (ala Murray sf wimby) he is better than ever but has more off days now.
Andy doesn't take time away from Federer like Djokovic does. He is a better player than he was only a fool would say otherwise.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:21 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:It's very simple. Because Djoko moves so quickly, he has time to decide where to send teh ball and therefore dictates teh rally (helped by his DHBH too). Which means federer has to go for broke while unbalanced.
Yes, but did you see now hard he is striking the ball, Federer is facing Nadal on both wings now.
I think even Becker is feeling sorry for Fed deep down.
he is not hitting the ball that hard, he is using Fed's pace.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:21 am

AceofDeath wrote:Federer is indecisive whether he should get forward or back. Novak very mobile and doing what he always does.
Yes.
It looks morbid in some way, definitely not natural. I've never seen him like this.
So angry inside, too.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by DECIMA on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:21 am

FedererKing wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:Overall if you take into account movement it's clear Federer is not as good now as he was in 2004-2007. 
Before on his backhand side he had the pace to be able to turn onto his forehand and dictate, now he has to stick to the backhand.

Well, at least that's something we can now have some common ground over.  The same has happened to Nadal, and all you'll hear from around the forums is how Nadal was crap and the players are now better.  As if he isn't in rapid decline.
Yep agree; also there's no way Federer would play this poor game in terms of groundstrokes when he was younger. He's really reliant on his first serve so far. 
Djokovic is playing great, but also has some moments where he's massively mucks up easy shots.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:21 am

FedererKing wrote:
luvsports! wrote:FK - Do you admit that Djoko is a better player now than he was in the past? I definitely do.

I feel Feds is more inconsistent but when he puts it together (ala Murray sf wimby) he is better than ever but has more off days now.

Depends what year you mean.  The thing is, 04-07 Federer would have trounced him here.  He's 34 for Christ's sake. What do you think Novak will be doing at 34 aside from claiming a pension?

The 2007 Federer who JUST beat Nole in 3 sets and could have lost in 3 had it not been for Novak's choking? 
I think this Nole is a lot better than that one.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:22 am

I think Federer just has to go for broke and not think so negatively on his own serve. Easier said than done. But Federer cannot win this match playing like this. Unless Novak's level dips. Let's hve the rain.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:22 am

luvsports! wrote:
FedererKing wrote:
luvsports! wrote:FK - Do you admit that Djoko is a better player now than he was in the past? I definitely do.

I feel Feds is more inconsistent but when he puts it together (ala Murray sf wimby) he is better than ever but has more off days now.

Depends what year you mean.  The thing is, 04-07 Federer would have trounced him here.  He's 34 for Christ's sake. What do you think Novak will be doing at 34 aside from claiming a pension?

The 2007 Federer who JUST beat Nole in 3 sets and could have lost in 3 had it not been for Novak's choking? 
I think this Nole is a lot better than that one.

That was one match and he was soundly beaten in 3. Federer's service game was imperious - I watched it the other day.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:24 am

Nole had set points in the first 2 sets and had leads in both I think.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:25 am

Assuming Djokovic doesn't fall and break an arm, what odds are we giving New Federer (obviously being beaten simply because all the players are now much better)?  I reckon 1-5.


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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:25 am

Good game from Fed there. So much heart.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:26 am

Djoko balanced on every point though a bit lucky with those 2 lobs in succession. But what can federer do?


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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by DECIMA on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:27 am

Apart from his backhand, Federer's game is not as good now as it was previously, surely you can see that Tenez?

Also Federer is more likely to dip now than before. He has to redline from here to win the match, which is more possible than ppl on here seem to think, but still unlikely.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:27 am

Tenez wrote:Djoko balanced on every point though a  bit lucky with those 2 lobs in succession. But what can federer do?

He can break now.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:28 am

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Apart from his backhand, Federer's game is not as good now as it was previously, surely you can see that Tenez?

Also Federer is more likely to dip now than before. He has to redline from here to win the match, which is more possible than ppl on here seem to think, but still unlikely.
Stop wumming.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:29 am

Absurd. Djoko makes Monfils look like a slug.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:29 am

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Apart from his backhand, Federer's game is not as good now as it was previously, surely you can see that Tenez?

Also Federer is more likely to dip now than before. He has to redline from here to win the match, which is more possible than ppl on here seem to think, but still unlikely.

I'd agree but, see, I think THIS Federer is way more mentally fragile than he used to be. We saw the same fragility against Nadal after his peak years too. He came already beaten. Even if Federer gets a break, I don't have any confidence he will keep it. Against Wawrinka, he was playing with so much positivity and heart - here it's like he's already gone.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:31 am

The shots Feds has to come up with, is miraculous.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:31 am

Although saying that, he's on an up at the moment - but I expect a dip any second.

I at least want him to get a set!

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by DECIMA on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:31 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:Apart from his backhand, Federer's game is not as good now as it was previously, surely you can see that Tenez?

Also Federer is more likely to dip now than before. He has to redline from here to win the match, which is more possible than ppl on here seem to think, but still unlikely.
Stop wumming.
I'm not ?

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:32 am

That was a nice outplaying bit of tennis from Fed for 40:00.
He enjoyed it.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:32 am

Kim Jong-Un wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:Apart from his backhand, Federer's game is not as good now as it was previously, surely you can see that Tenez?

Also Federer is more likely to dip now than before. He has to redline from here to win the match, which is more possible than ppl on here seem to think, but still unlikely.
Stop wumming.
I'm not ?
You are. Relishing in it, too.
Nowhere to be seen on other threads all week.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by AceofDeath on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:34 am

FK

Stan plays a completely different way to Novak. It looks nicer but is less rewarding against someone like Fed Thumbs Up

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:34 am

Well, tbh I kinda expected this. I was really hoping he'd bring the same game and confidence but deep down I just expected a big dip. It's not over til it's over though! But if he doesn't win here, number 18 is never ever coming folks.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:35 am

AceofDeath wrote:FK

Stan plays a completely different way to Novak. It looks nicer but is less rewarding against someone like Fed Thumbs Up

Again, that does not explain the massive drop in 1st serve % in set 1 especially. It's more than that.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:36 am

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Apart from his backhand, Federer's game is not as good now as it was previously, surely you can see that Tenez?

Amazing! Cause anyone in the past was testing him like Djoko does maybe....What's so absurd is that you are looking at fed completely oblivious of who fed was playing back then.

I am confident fed woudl have looked amazing today v Kiefer or Roddick!

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:37 am

Tenez wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:Apart from his backhand, Federer's game is not as good now as it was previously, surely you can see that Tenez?

Amazing! Cause anyone in the past was testing him like Djoko does maybe....What's so absurd is that you are looking at fed completely oblivious of who fed was playing back then.

I am confident fed woudl have looked amazing today v Kiefer or Roddick!

Roddick and Agassi (the greatest returner) played absolutely amazing against him here at the US.  Federer was faster and better. Also his backhand was better back then too.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:38 am

Good hold!

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Post by DECIMA on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:39 am

Tenez wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:Apart from his backhand, Federer's game is not as good now as it was previously, surely you can see that Tenez?

Amazing! Cause anyone in the past was testing him like Djoko does maybe....What's so absurd is that you are looking at fed completely oblivious of who fed was playing back then.

I am confident fed woudl have looked amazing today v Kiefer or Roddick!
I'm not saying Djokovic is as good as Keifer/Roddick; he's a great player who's on another level... but it's clear Federer in many aspects is slightly worse/unreliable compared to when he was younger. And considering tennis is a game of margins that is a big thing; which is why Federer basically needs to redline to win for here.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by DECIMA on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:40 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:Apart from his backhand, Federer's game is not as good now as it was previously, surely you can see that Tenez?

Also Federer is more likely to dip now than before. He has to redline from here to win the match, which is more possible than ppl on here seem to think, but still unlikely.
Stop wumming.
I'm not ?
You are. Relishing in it, too.
Nowhere to be seen on other threads all week.
I'm not wumming here because I've not been on other threads, that doesn't even make any sense.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:43 am

wtf was that Roger?????

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:43 am

Nole is trying hard to keep the Lendl pokerface on.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by AceofDeath on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:44 am

Chose the wrong side to hit the overhead... You have to be kidding me Fed.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:44 am

Why didn't he go away from him? Why did he go to him?

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:45 am

WOWWW

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by AceofDeath on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:46 am

Seen this movie before Federer will be very tired on his next service game if he doesn't break and then... blah injured

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:47 am

Awesome point from Fed for BP!

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:49 am

COME ON!!!!

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:50 am

Federer misses. I dont believe it. FFS!

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Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:50 am

Actually I do believe it.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by AceofDeath on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:50 am

Shockisn miss man..

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:50 am

HOW CUD U MISS DAT

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:50 am

This set should have been put to bed.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:51 am

luvsports! wrote:HOW CUD U MISS DAT

Still think this is the same Fed as 04-07? he's leagues away.

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