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USO 2015: The Finale

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:30 am

Frightening start from Djoko. 0-40

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:31 am

So far this game I don't think Fed's had ONE 1st serve in.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:32 am

Ominous.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:32 am

All that was caused by Federer's 1st serve.  It must be obvious by now that this is causing him huge problem sin big games now?
I don't think it's injury or tiredness. I think it's just plain nervousness.


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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:33 am

What a point to break fed's serve!!! Djoko is everywhere.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:33 am

Tenez wrote:What a point to break fed's serve!!! Djoko is everywhere.

What serve? he didn't get a single 1st serve in.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:36 am

What a stupid effort from Djoko to get to all balls.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:36 am

0-40. Come on feds break back!

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:37 am

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:38 am

That's a huge slice of luck for Federer.... Djok really pummeled himself there.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:39 am

Who cares! Love hold!

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:39 am

First serve back there. He really has to keep up that tempo. Djok putting a brave face on it but I bet that is not a nice thing to be feeling.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:40 am

first serve is so crucial for Fed.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:43 am

Djokovic's 1st serve has been the decider too many times. Just once we need his level to drop!

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:46 am

aaaaand 1st serve walkies again.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:47 am

ok that's it. There is no chance Fed can win this one.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:47 am

FECK SAKE

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:48 am

Tenez wrote:ok that's it. There is no chance Fed can win this one.

I'm afraid looking at how he's turned up - no. He's turned up exactly like he did at Wimbledon. A bag of nerves. Backhand is back to usual and Djok is peppering it when he gets the chance (which is a lot because Federer's 1st serve is crap again).

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by ... on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:49 am

Stupid alarm clock didn't ring, but I woke up anyway!

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:50 am

Djoko is making the court shrink.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:50 am

noleisthebest wrote:Stupid alarm clock didn't ring, but I woke up anyway!

You prob better off to oversleep and save you from this.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by ... on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:51 am

And what do I see first?
An asphyxiating rally...

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by ... on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:53 am

Wow, Nole muscling the ball like never before...this is scary.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:54 am

What's annoying to me is that this isn't the same Federer as against Wawrinka. It's the one that's full of nerves, making tons of mistakes, especially on serve.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by ... on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:55 am

But what two awesome winners from Fed now!

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:56 am

Sorry Federer.... but if you think you're winning this with 50% 1st serves in... think again!

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by AceofDeath on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:56 am

Lovely first 5 games.

Then he chokes the rest of the set.

Sad

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:57 am

luvsports! wrote:Djoko is making the court shrink.
Exactly that. Ugly shots but he is everywhere.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:57 am

AceofDeath wrote:Lovely first 5 games.

Then he chokes the rest of the set.

Sad

I hate to say it... but yes. He is actually choking. It's simply because of nerves. This is something he never used to do, and I think it's the same with all players - the more they lose, the more doubts creep in, the more mistakes they make.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:59 am

FedererKing wrote:What's annoying to me is that this isn't the same Federer as against Wawrinka.  It's the one that's full of nerves, making tons of mistakes, especially on serve.
You really don't pay attention to the opposition. Never have, never will.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by ... on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:59 am

Nole looks strange in the face. Serious!
I've never seen him like this.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:59 am

I don't know. I've never seen DJoko cover the court this well and bringing the ball back with such purpose.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by AceofDeath on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:00 am

^

He's been doing it since 2010.. pressure gets the better of him in the finals. He isn't himself if this was 2009 he'd have gotten this set

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:00 am

Tenez wrote:
FedererKing wrote:What's annoying to me is that this isn't the same Federer as against Wawrinka.  It's the one that's full of nerves, making tons of mistakes, especially on serve.
You really don't pay attention to the opposition. Never have, never will.

Are you telling me that Djokovic can somehow make Federer miss his 1st serve 50% of the time? I'd love to hear your theory on that.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:02 am

That's the point... Federer never used to do this. His serve was rock solid EVERY match of a Slam 2004-07. He hardly ever had a crap service game. Already today, 50% 1st serves in. That's just not how Federer used to be.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by AceofDeath on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:02 am

Djokovic is being helped here that Federer KNOWS his time to add a slam is running out and it makes him more pressured. Djokovic makes him nervous like Nadal in finals did.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:03 am

Just look at the winning set point. fed plays a ridiculous beautiful risky return cross court, Djoko gets it back. Fed sends him on the other corner and Djoko is there with time to spare.

yes Fed's first serve % is low but even when Fed pulls a 1st serve look at how it is returned.


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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:03 am

We have two camps here at OTF.

1) Federer in the past would have beaten anyone, anywhere, anytime.
2) The opposition can improve a lot and beat the best.

I like one more than the other but it's not realistic.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:04 am

His whole game hasn't turned up and it's nothing to do with how Djok is playing - it's because he is choking.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:04 am

luvsports! wrote:We have two camps here at OTF.

1) Federer in the past would have beaten anyone, anywhere, anytime.
2) The opposition can improve a lot and beat the best.

I like one more than the other but it's not realistic.

Well, you'll be hard pressed to find me a Federer of 2004-07 that had a 1st serve % of 50 in set 1 of a Slam, esp a final.


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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by AceofDeath on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:05 am

Can only see straight sets from here on out

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:06 am

This is hard to watch.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by ... on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:07 am

Brutalisation.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by DECIMA on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:08 am

Overall if you take into account movement it's clear Federer is not as good now as he was in 2004-2007. 
Before on his backhand side he had the pace to be able to turn onto his forehand and dictate, now he has to stick to the backhand.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Daniel on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:10 am

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Overall if you take into account movement it's clear Federer is not as good now as he was in 2004-2007. 
Before on his backhand side he had the pace to be able to turn onto his forehand and dictate, now he has to stick to the backhand.

Well, at least that's something we can now have some common ground over.  The same has happened to Nadal, and all you'll hear from around the forums is how Nadal was crap and the players are now better.  As if he isn't in rapid decline.


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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by ... on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:10 am

Wow!
A SABR!!!!!

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by luvsports! on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:10 am

HELLOO!!!

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Post by ... on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:11 am

Wo!
What a SBHDTL!


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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:11 am

It's very simple. Because Djoko moves so quickly, he has time to decide where to send teh ball and therefore dictates teh rally (helped by his DHBH too). Which means federer has to go for broke while unbalanced.

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Re: USO 2015: The Finale

Post by ... on Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:16 am

Tenez wrote:It's very simple. Because Djoko moves so quickly, he has time to decide where to send teh ball and therefore dictates teh rally (helped by his DHBH too). Which means federer has to go for broke while unbalanced.
Yes, but did you see now hard he is striking the ball, Federer is facing Nadal on both wings now.
I think even Becker is feeling sorry for Fed deep down.

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