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Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 07, 2015 8:53 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p031tjcn

"Problem is Europe...they are supporting terrorists, ISiS".

I knew that but hearing it on the BBC surprises me.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 07, 2015 11:05 pm

You will hear all kind of non-PC stuff reported from Belgrade.
People have no time for facades and small talk there. And they love their politics.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:12 am

Having lived through a war and seen real refugees, all this mass exodus looks more like a wave of economic migrants.
People who are really suffering are still there and can't afford to reach Europe.

I am not following any of it as I have seen it all.

Media are an instrument of lies and war-mongering destabilisers of peaceful countries and nations.

They'd sell their own mother for profit. In the name of Human Rights, as a charity event...creativity of evil is endless.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:30 am

OUr former Foreign Affairs ministers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz-s2AAh06I

Whether to believe him or not, I don't know.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:43 am

Of course it's true.
Destruction of Yugoslavia was designed and planned in the 60s.
Down to the smallest detail. Maps, the lot.  They just waited for Tito to die (1980).
First Berlin Wall fell, and the rest is history of bloodbath.

I know it first hand from a friend who overheard her father (a very influential man) talk about it to his colleague.
She was 15 at the time and so traumatised about what she had heard she cried for days and lost the spark of her youth after that.

Worst of all are local politicians who get bought by the West and just sell off their own people/country.

Serbia is dead, a wasteland. People running it now were "freedom" fighters and opposition in the 90s who people then foolishly believed were bringing change from communist oppression of Milosevic.

Did you notice how fast US presidents age during their term?

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Post by Tenez on Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:07 am

noleisthebest wrote:...

Did you notice how fast US presidents age during their term?
Yes though 8 years is a lot when you are 50.

To be fair must be a stressful job cause I don't think they have much of a choice themselves. They must probably be forced doing things they are not keen about.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:17 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:...

Did you notice how fast US presidents age during their term?
Yes though 8 years is a lot when you are 50.

To be fair must be a stressful job cause I don't think they have much of a choice themselves. They must probably be forced doing things they are not keen about.

Politics is so greasy, I don't know how anyone can want to be involved in it, esp at high level.
Some probably naively start with noble intentions, but past a certain level there is no going back.

It's a mince meat machine for the soul.

The world has changed beyond recognition in the last 100 years.

Even we have seen so much during our lifetime. Things have spun out of control and the venom is running its deadly course through the world.

It's important to watch what's going on and guard the soul.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:30 am

A good step toward it is not to believe what the news say. The truth is almost always the opposite.

It's dangerous that's it's all in the hands of one man, Murdoch.

How's France doing these days in that respect?

I saw Marine Le Pen poster round the corner...

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Post by Tenez on Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:46 am

The world change but the fundamentals are the same. Buddha found out when he left his castle how rotten was the world back then (400BC) and Plato or Christ were not treated any better in the West.

All this chaos is supposed to make "sense" at the end.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:51 am

noleisthebest wrote:A good step toward it is not to believe what the news say. The truth is almost always the opposite.
That's pretty true.

How's France doing these days in that respect?

I saw Marine Le Pen poster round the corner...
It's gone from bad to worse since 1945. Like everywhere I guess. Marine is as bad as the others.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:57 am

Tenez wrote:The world change but the fundamentals are the same.
Yes, wise Solomon concluded that there is nothing new under the sun.
Human nature is the same but history is running its course.
You could transport a 1st century man to even Victorian era and he'd still be able to make sense, but imagine dropping him into Picadilly Square 2015...
The end won't be pretty and it's been compared to birth pains - at the point if unbearable at the end.

Tenez wrote:Buddha found out when he left his castle how rotten was the world back then (400BC) and Plato or Christ were not treated any better in the West.
Interestingly, Chist was sold out by His own people to the West of the time - Romans.

Tenez wrote:All this chaos is supposed to make "sense" at the end.
Yes, and that's a deeply and truly comforting thought, the peace that passes all understanding.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:04 pm

Tenez wrote:
It's gone from bad to worse since 1945. Like everywhere I guess. Marine is as bad as the others.
That makes me really sad, and even I can see it through my rose-tinted tourist glasses.

Serbia has always loved France, it was our rare true friend.

I've hoped French people's feisty spirit would be able to resist, but the Enemy is too powerful, poisoning the young through pop culture and globalised social media&network.

I suppose at least the decay here is slower then elsewhere.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:28 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:...

Did you notice how fast US presidents age during their term?
Yes though 8 years is a lot when you are 50.

To be fair must be a stressful job cause I don't think they have much of a choice themselves. They must probably be forced doing things they are not keen about.
It's not the lines and grey hair but the eyes- they are dead.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:41 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
It's gone from bad to worse since 1945. Like everywhere I guess. Marine is as bad as the others.
That makes me really sad, and even I can see it through my rose-tinted tourist glasses.

Serbia has always loved France, it was our rare true friend.

I've hoped French people's feisty spirit would be able to resist, but the Enemy is too powerful, poisoning the young through pop culture and globalised social media&network.

I suppose at least the decay here is slower then elsewhere.
The youth (many at least) are certainly awakening. Problem is essentially those generations brought up with TV instead of the internet.

As one said once Internet information is full of good and crap things. TV is just full of crap.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Sep 08, 2015 12:43 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I've hoped French people's feisty spirit would be able to resist, but the Enemy is too powerful, poisoning the young through pop culture and globalised social media&network.


I tend to view as we are responsible for our own downfall. Those who pull the strings are also victims actually....to some extend.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:00 pm

Tenez wrote:
As one said once Internet information is full of good and crap things. TV is just full of crap.
Good one!

And it's a big relief to hear about French youth.

That's what I love about France: people here have the standards and they won't budge an inch.
One trip to the local boulangerie and patisserie confirms that!

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Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:I've hoped French people's feisty spirit would be able to resist, but the Enemy is too powerful, poisoning the young through pop culture and globalised social media&network.


I tend to view as we are responsible for our own downfall. Those who pull the strings are also victims actually....to some extend.

If you are thinking doctrine of predestination - yes. Still, we gave a choice, however hard it may be to get one's head around that concept.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:05 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
As one said once Internet information is full of good and crap things. TV is just full of crap.
Good one!

And it's a big relief to hear about French youth.

That's what I love about France: people here have the standards and they won't budge an inch.
One trip to the local boulangerie and patisserie confirms that!
We moan but endure a lot.....however suddenly we lose it and chop heads. Winking

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Post by Tenez on Tue Sep 08, 2015 1:07 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:I've hoped French people's feisty spirit would be able to resist, but the Enemy is too powerful, poisoning the young through pop culture and globalised social media&network.


I tend to view as we are responsible for our own downfall. Those who pull the strings are also victims actually....to some extend.

If you are thinking doctrine of predestination - yes. Still, we gave a choice, however hard it may be to get one's head around that concept.
We think we have a choice.....often deep down we have forces forcing us doing things we don't want to.

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Post by luvsports! on Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:22 pm

noleisthebest wrote:.. all this mass exodus looks more like a wave of economic migrants.
People who are really suffering are still there and can't afford to reach Europe.
Every single one of the 9-11 million displaced are economic migrants? 

Not every question has an answer and this huge issue is in that category.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:14 pm

luvsports! wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:.. all this mass exodus looks more like a wave of economic migrants.
People who are really suffering are still there and can't afford to reach Europe.
Every single one of the 9-11 million displaced are economic migrants? 

Not every question has an answer and this huge issue is in that category.

He,he, maybe if you are a journalist...

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:30 pm

luvsports! wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:.. all this mass exodus looks more like a wave of economic migrants.
People who are really suffering are still there and can't afford to reach Europe.
Every single one of the 9-11 million displaced are economic migrants? 

Not every question has an answer and this huge issue is in that category.

I was right...although I don't follow the news AT ALL!
The woman "refugee" says she does not want to stay in Slovenia because it's poor.


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Post by luvsports! on Wed Sep 23, 2015 8:09 pm

Classic politician response there nitb! Trump-esque!

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Post by Tenez on Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:14 pm

Though now we learn that US/UK and France are helping and arming al Nosra,  the Al Quaida branch in Syria. Wasn't it Al Quaida that downed the twin towers?

And of course they are criticising Putin to mess up their work.

What a world we live in!

I fear things might get ugly soon.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:21 pm

Thanks for the update, T.
Here's something to cheer you up:



I like old Vlad. He's alive! smiley

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Oct 05, 2015 11:29 pm

Syriaously, is it that bad?

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Post by Tenez on Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:19 am

yep... I don;t mind him. Just the fact the western press is doing its best to demonize him probably means he is not that bad.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:29 am

Of course he is not bad. 

To start with, there is no political correctness in Russia.
They call spade a spade over there, and that's a refreshingly backward, however sad it sounds.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:31 am

noleisthebest wrote:Syriaously, is it that bad?

It is. The Syria war has been going on for 3 or 4 years and it was quite balanced. Since the US/UK/ FR officially said they would strike ISIS the balance has shifted towards ISIS (and their other extremist allies). This has created this sudden massive exodus we are seeing in Europe. The reason is simple, the only interest of the West is to destitute Assad to spread chaos like in Irak, Lybia, Afghanistan, etc... As Putin said Assad is the only one so far who can hold the country together.

It's hard to imagine that our governments are actually supporting ISIS..but they do.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:37 am

Well, the same story/formula again, then. 

I really hate the bloodshed they are sowing in those countries.
In the name of Mammon.

But you are right, this time the consequences are going to be felt a bit closer to home. Awful. Total mess.

And then masses buying it.

The worst is having soldiers beg for money in High Streets and shopping centres, "Give Money To Our Heroes".

Now and then I talk to them and ask why they bombed the daylights out of my country?

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Oct 06, 2015 8:45 am

Americans must again think they can be unaffected by being geographically far from Europe, like in WW2.
But it doesn't work like that...they had to get involved in the end.

Just what is their game...

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Post by Tenez on Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:14 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Just what is their game...
It's survival for them I guess. Typical of a crumbling empire.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:20 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Just what is their game...
It's survival for them I guess. Typical of a crumbling empire.
Yes, it looks like that.

Have you heard of this guy?
Just saw it the other day, sounds interesting. The fact he spent 11 years in prison made me think there may be some truth in what he talks about.

https://www.tradingfloor.com/posts/is-martin-armstrongs-debt-crisis-upon-us-6299991

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Post by Tenez on Tue Oct 06, 2015 9:43 am

Nope don't know.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Oct 06, 2015 10:22 am

I saw a different article about him on a Serbian website the other day and was intrigued by the exact date he gave for the beginning of USO end.

Normally I don't pay attention to any of these "prophets".

However, the political sea feels quite stormy atm so even I am getting out of my boycotting hybernation.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Oct 08, 2015 4:38 pm

If/when you get tired of TV, "news", X-factor, Big Brother,  predictable  Holliwood thrilles and soaps. cooking shows, DIY makeovers and whatever else goes these days, here's a little film I have always loved, it has a cult status in Serbia, fortunately it has English subtitles (though a lot of humour has been lost in translation).
You can skip the first few minutes.



It's about a group of passengers traveling to Belgrade, all for different reasons.
The journey starts on Saturday, but unforeseen circumstances change everything.

Reminds me a lot of times we are in now.
All in the same boat/bus going somewhere until war knocks on the door and burst it open without waiting for anyone to open it.

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Oct 11, 2015 9:58 pm

Well none of these guys are good. If we still applied the Nuremberg trials, Obama and the rest would face indictment if not worse for their war crimes.

Putin is an authoritarian thug. At least other countries have more than one political party.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:44 pm

luvsports! wrote:Well none of these guys are good. If we still applied the Nuremberg trials, Obama and the rest would face indictment if not worse for their war crimes.

Putin is an authoritarian thug. At least other countries have more than one political party.
Well! That's certainly the impression they give us. The reality is most, if not all those parties, are reporting to the same powers.

Dictators take many shape and forms nowadays. In France for instance, the president has less than 20% of support from his people. That's a form of tyranny if you ask me as 80% of the French hates him.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:30 pm

luvsports! wrote:Well none of these guys are good. If we still applied the Nuremberg trials, Obama and the rest would face indictment if not worse for their war crimes.

Putin is an authoritarian thug. At least other countries have more than one political party.


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Post by Autumnleaf on Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:34 pm

luvsports! wrote:Putin is an authoritarian thug. At least other countries have more than one political party.
I wish. smiley In reality they feel like the bloc parties of former Eastern Germany, on essential questions there's only one answer. The word around here is "alternativlos" (no alternative) which in the end is the confession of failure to do politics at all. It means there can be no politics, there are only inherent necessitities.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 16, 2015 7:21 pm

Autumnleaf wrote:
luvsports! wrote:Putin is an authoritarian thug. At least other countries have more than one political party.
I wish. smiley In reality they feel like the bloc parties of former Eastern Germany, on essential questions there's only one answer. The word around here is "alternativlos" (no alternative) which in the end is the confession of failure to do politics at all. It means there can be no politics, there are only inherent necessitities.
Exactly. La tyranie de la pensee unique!

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Post by Daniel on Sun Dec 06, 2015 1:24 am

luvsports! wrote:
Putin is an authoritarian thug.

Who at least does something, which is far more than the left have done.  In fact, they've largely caused all this shit.

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