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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by AceofDeath on Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:27 pm

No rain yet? What a joke stupid weather Angry

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by AceofDeath on Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:31 pm

If only Gasquet had pushed him in SF the way he pushed Stan Doh

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:39 pm

It's exactly like last year. Federer is not playing well. far from it. he started well in that first set but got nervous and irritated as the match went along!

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:41 pm

It's very simple.....it's the simple fact that Federer has to go for too much to shake Djoko off. That adds so much pressure on all fed's shots.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:42 pm

They will have to speeds things out.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by ... on Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:42 pm

As far as I'm concerned, Fed's won this.

DBH bludgeoning of a SBH is a sign of surrender.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:44 pm

Djoko can even afford to fall....he is still on the ball. This sums it up!

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by AceofDeath on Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:45 pm

Novak can read the serves better than Murray was reading, I haven't seen Federers serve stats to compare them yet.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:48 pm

Are they going sack Newcastle once and for all!

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:49 pm

AceofDeath wrote:Novak can read the serves better than Murray was reading, I haven't seen Federers serve stats to compare them yet.
Yes but not as many first serve % as in the semi.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:51 pm

Fed coudl have won that final ....had he not have to play Murray in the semi.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by AceofDeath on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:01 pm

Oh you GOAT Bubbly Applause

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Veejay on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:02 pm

Federer is back in this but I gotta say,novak is such a clutch player...he may have gotten a little tight that 2nd set tie break but he is a man of steal!!


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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:02 pm

I don;t think we have a match on. It;s just amazing effort from Fed to make it look good. Had he won the first set as he shoudl have then it woudl be a different story.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:05 pm

Fed is really looking tired.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by ... on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:09 pm

What a TB!!!

Heart of three lions Fed has.

Momentum now on his side.
Amazing to feel its pulse beat, it's like a living thing.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by ... on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:09 pm

Tenez wrote:Fed is really looking tired.
The crowd is carrying him.

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Post by ... on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:11 pm

Looking breezy and quite overcast. Rain?

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:14 pm

Fed today is 2 steps too slow.

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:16 pm

Sad

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Post by Veejay on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:17 pm

I cant believe roger missed that shot!! he just doesn't look as focused as he has been throughout this tournament

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:18 pm

I honestly lost all hope at the end of the first set. Fed needed to win in 3.

34yo is certainly showing now.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:21 pm

Veejay wrote:I cant believe roger missed that shot!! he just doesn't look as focused as he has been throughout this tournament
That was tiredness!

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Post by ... on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:23 pm

Tenez wrote:
Veejay wrote:I cant believe roger missed that shot!! he just doesn't look as focused as he has been throughout this tournament
That was tiredness!

It was Sad

But rain comes to the rescue!

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Post by ... on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:26 pm

Tenez wrote:It's exactly like last year. Federer is not playing well. far from it. he started well in that first set but got nervous and irritated as the match went along!

You were right the other day.
Nole is just keeping him at the edge of the baseline, not allowing him to relax.

Fed is doing well under the circumstances, fighting so bravely.

He is getting a lokk in some of Nole's second serves, but it's superhuman to expect such relentless focus all the time from him, yet  he is there...

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Post by AceofDeath on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:28 pm

Veejay wrote:I cant believe roger missed that shot!! he just doesn't look as focused as he has been throughout this tournament
He's not used to playing on Sundays that is the only excuse I can think of for his slow legs Sad

He needs set 3 10x more than Novak does.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:31 pm

And the rain delay is not going to help him.

It's really annoying. Had he won that bloody first set....it woudl be a very different story.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Veejay on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:33 pm

im really disappointed with the way Federer is playing today,this is no where near the level he has been maintaining throughout this tournament
I don't think tiredness is a good enough excuse cause he hasn't been pushed to 5 sets in any of his previous matches
I hope this rain delay helps him regroup

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:34 pm

And of course Fed has to run more

2.4miles for Fed, 2.3 for Djoko

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:35 pm

Veejay wrote:..
I don't think tiredness is a good enough excuse cause he hasn't been pushed to 5 sets in any of his previous matches
I hope this rain delay helps him regroup

believe me, it's a good one!

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:55 pm

Newcastle...can someone shut him up!

Newcastle: "Superb..magnificent.....unheard of".....Tim "euhhh Andrew that was an UE!"

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Post by ... on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:03 pm

Tenez wrote:Newcastle...can someone shut him up!

Newcastle: "Superb..magnificent.....unheard of".....Tim "euhhh Andrew that was an UE!"
The guy is death.

Anyine sees the 5th set here?

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:03 pm

honestly...not me.

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Post by ... on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:05 pm

Dark clouds and wind picking up again...proper rain this time?

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by AceofDeath on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:07 pm

Tenez wrote:Newcastle...can someone shut him up!

Newcastle: "Superb..magnificent.....unheard of".....Tim "euhhh Andrew that was an UE!"
I always say those same words looking in the mirror when having my haircut. Winking 

Anyway I'm sure Federer is using this Wimbledon final as practise to be fit for the USO.

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Post by AceofDeath on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:10 pm

Fed really needed help from Anderson to knock out Djokovic, he does not have the power to push Novak away these days except on places like Cinci.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by bogbrush on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:16 pm

Fed looks exhausted, it's difficult to watch.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by AceofDeath on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:18 pm

Baseline game is very bad by the GOAT these past 2 sets it must be said.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:28 pm

You can tell Tim and Andy are gutted. They have not spoken for the last 2 games and let Castle do the "wonderful" talking!

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:29 pm

bogbrush wrote:Fed looks exhausted, it's difficult to watch.
Indeed. But the most difficult nbit was to see Djoko everywhere. It's that BH again. Djoko abuses that side and gives him great confidence knowing that Fed can't hurt him from this side.

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Post by Veejay on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:30 pm

that was a VERY poor effort from roger,the last 2 sets he hardly even tried to fight
missing the easiest shots..shocking!!
I have never seen him give in so easily
even  the 09 AO final against nadal he still kept the intensity in the 5th even though he ran out of steam
roger didn't even look like he had a clear game plan let alone executing it
very disappointing
well congrats to novak,a deserved champion

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:31 pm

AceofDeath wrote:Fed really needed help from Anderson to knock out Djokovic, he does not have the power to push Novak away these days except on places like Cinci.

Yes, that's fed only chance....or having one tough match.....but not 2 in a row. Even if he beat Andy in 3..he looked tired at the end of the 3rd set v Andy.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:33 pm

What a disappointing match...and day. Proving again that tennis had become more than ever a sport of legs.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by legendkillar on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:41 pm

Gutting.

Just felt this was Feds last chance at making an 8th Wimbledon. I never say athletes deserve titles or accolades, but Federer not being out and out as Wimbledon champion feels unjustified. Sad

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by AceofDeath on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:41 pm

I thought he had more a chance this year than last year, proven wrong just now.

Kudos to Novak and NITB on a deserved 9th Grandslam Thumbs Up Hug

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:46 pm

Fed has become slowly a much easier opponent for Djokovic than even someone like Cilic, or Murray or even some other lower ranked double handers.

Ten, nitb, you can keep hailing Fed's BH but its just such a figured out weakness, there is just NO way Fed can get out of it. Can't you see how he has to protect is so much by running around that totally exposed the court on the FH where Fed has always been slower to defend.

What can Fed do here?

Only thing that can save Fed was his serving. The moment it falls anything below 70%, Fed is doomed. No touch, feel or quick hands can save it.

Fed perhaps had his last chance to win a slam.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:52 pm

Tenez wrote:
AceofDeath wrote:Fed really needed help from Anderson to knock out Djokovic, he does not have the power to push Novak away these days except on places like Cinci.

Yes, that's fed only chance....or having one tough match.....but not 2 in a row. Even if he beat Andy in 3..he looked tired at the end of the 3rd set v Andy.
Fed was no way tired physically, not today. If it was anything it  was  mental fatigue of not being able to do anything on court against an opponent who has him figured out so much. Even his 1st serves in the 2nd and 3rd sets become so readable.

Fed still find it difficult to read Djokovic's serves.

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:30 pm

You make many good points, but not about fatigue, he was exhausted - playing squash shots unnecessarily is a massive give away.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:01 pm

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Fed has become slowly a much easier opponent for Djokovic than even someone like Cilic, or Murray or even some other lower ranked double handers.

Ten, nitb, you can keep hailing Fed's BH but its just such a figured out weakness, there is just NO way Fed can get out of it. Can't you see how he has to protect is so much by running around that totally exposed the court on the FH where Fed has always been slower to defend.

What can Fed do here?

Only thing that can save Fed was his serving. The moment it falls anything below 70%, Fed is doomed. No touch, feel or quick hands can save it.

Fed perhaps had his last chance to win a slam.
Well I say the BH was his weakness again....but you are a bit swift dismissing that Fed had the first chance to win teh first set, and if he did not it was not down to his BH, but his serve that was below his whole tournament standard.

Likewise, I coudl tell you that Stan's BH did not even help him v Gasquet.

It's not so much Fed's BH the weakness here as Djoko's mouvement which makes targets so much smaller. Anybody would have been uneasy against fed today.....except Djoko who simply can get to any ball.

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Re: Wimbledon, Day 13, Men's Final

Post by Tenez on Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:08 pm

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AceofDeath wrote:Fed really needed help from Anderson to knock out Djokovic, he does not have the power to push Novak away these days except on places like Cinci.

Yes, that's fed only chance....or having one tough match.....but not 2 in a row. Even if he beat Andy in 3..he looked tired at the end of the 3rd set v Andy.
Fed was no way tired physically, not today. If it was anything it  was  mental fatigue of not being able to do anything on court against an opponent who has him figured out so much. Even his 1st serves in the 2nd and 3rd sets become so readable.

Fed still finds it difficult to read Djokovic's serves.
Disagree. It was obvious tiredness. Problem is we are not used to seeing the real performance of a clean athlete nowadays. We expect them to run miles for ever whether they are taller and more muscly than Federer.

You are underestimating what it takes to run those miles on a tennis court.....at 34...if you have no help from miracle products. Fed started well again, we could even see he was better just after the rain break...but it only takes a few tough rallies to kill the footwork precision.


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