Roland Garros 2015: Daily Prediction Game, Day 13 Friday Semi Final

Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA) [50]
vs.Stan Wawrinka (SUI) [30]

Novak Djokovic (SRB) [30]
vs.Andy Murray (GBR) [60]

Women's Doubles - Semifinal
Bethanie Mattek-Sands (USA) [10]
Lucie Safarova (CZE) [7]
vs.Andrea Hlavackova (CZE) [20]
Lucie Hradecka (CZE)

Casey Dellacqua (AUS) [20]
Yaroslava Shvedova (KAZ)
vs.Ekaterina Makarova (RUS) (10)]
Elena Vesnina (RUS)

Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA) [50] Jocker

vs.Andy Murray (GBR) [60]

Women's Doubles - Semifinal
Bethanie Mattek-Sands (USA) [10]
Lucie Safarova (CZE) [7]


Ekaterina Makarova (RUS) (10)]
Elena Vesnina (RUS)

1. Stan 'the man' Wawrinka  (JOKER)
2. Andy Murray 
3. Bethanie Mattek-Sands (USA) [10]
Lucie Safarova (CZE) [7]


4. Ekaterina Makarova (RUS) (10)]
Elena Vesnina (RUS)

Wawrinka (joker)
Djokovic
Hlavackova/Hradecka (though I do not understand points system for this match)
Makarova/Vesnina

Djoko
Stan (joker)
Hlavackova/Hradecka
Makarova/Vesnina

Wawrinka (Joker)
Djokovic
Mattek-Sands/Safarova
Makarova/Vesnina

Wawrinka, Nole (joker), Makarova/Vesnina, Sands/Safarova

rotla, please don't forget to add points for up to today!

Tsonga (joker), djoko, hladjklasdlkfsaljaova, dellacqua

HJ: Stan, Novak (joker) safarova, vesnina

AH: Tsonga (joker), djoko, hla/hra, del/shve

Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA) [50]
Andy Murray (GBR) [60] - joker

Bethanie Mattek-Sands (USA) [10]
Lucie Safarova (CZE) [7]

Ekaterina Makarova (RUS) (10)]
Elena Vesnina (RUS)

Thta's the problem with Stan...he might win.....but not that good at handling pace. Easy when it's a weak Federer or Nadal but as soon as the ball is hit a bit harder the UEs are pouring thick.

Early break stan! What a bh!

Stop your Wawrinka critisizm T!

He produces jawdropping shot after jawdropping shot. It's by far the most exiting player of the tour. Wilander said it too yesterday: the most exiting player since peak Federer

Who cares he has a weakness?

6' Stan outhitting the 6'2 Tsonga. Very impressive.

I feel so sorry for both players having to play with this awful ball.

Hopefully, now that Nadal is out of the picture we'll never have to see it again...

First set Stan!

gallery play wrote:
He produces jawdropping shot after jawdropping shot. It's by far the most exiting player of the tour. Wilander said it too yesterday: the most exiting player since peak Federer
Who cares he has a weakness?

Yes, Stan is gutsy and exciting, but nowhere near as exciting as Fed.
He is almost an exclusive baseliner.
The conditions suit him better, that's all.

Can you imagine him serving and volleying on clay?

gallery play wrote:Stop your Wawrinka critisizm T!

He produces jawdropping shot after jawdropping shot. It's by far the most exiting player of the tour. Wilander said it too yesterday: the most exiting player since peak Federer

Who cares he has a weakness?

Please, allow me a bit of patriotism.

let's be clear. He is my favourite player amongst the 4...except that I would want Tsonga to win a slam.

I still main that Stan can inject power but is usually not that good at handling it himself .

Tenez wrote:

gallery play wrote:Stop your Wawrinka critisizm T!

He produces jawdropping shot after jawdropping shot. It's by far the most exiting player of the tour. Wilander said it too yesterday: the most exiting player since peak Federer

Who cares he has a weakness?

Please, allow me a bit of patriotism.

let's be clear. He is my favourite player amongst the 4...except that I would want Tsonga to win a slam.

I still main that Stan can inject power but is usually not that good at handling it himself .

I know, i would support a dutch fellow at any rate

But look at Tsonga, take away his serve and what's left? He lost his appeal long time ago

Tsonga is a funny player...once he gets going he's hard to stop, the only thing is - he is finding it hard to get going these days.

These balls are taking all he's got away from him.

Since Norman came along, Stan never hit this big. I've watched matches vs feds before (fo'11, aus '11 etc) and Stan never outhit feds. It was very even and the feds fh was lethal.

Even since '13 - Stan has leathered the ball and clearly has outhit Feds. So noticeable in their matches at MC '14, wimby '14 and O2.

Well, I chose who I wanted to win today and it looks like it's not going to happen.

@luvsports Wawrinka is a completely different player now, a transformation not unlike to Djokovic 2011.

Drug induced me thinks, though of a diffo concoction.

gallery play wrote:But look at Tsonga, take away his serve and what's left? He lost his appeal long time ago

Don't get me started on Tsonga.  He stands too far back and is worse than Stan in terms of handling pacy shots.

Believe it or not I am very shared on this match. I think Stan will have a better chance in the final.....except that the crowd can certainly play a huge role....hence Tsonga may actually have a better chance in the final.

Show me a player in top 20 who is not on something and I'll show you a sexy 100 year old...

luvsports! wrote:Since Norman came along, Stan never hit this big. I've watched matches vs feds before (fo'11, aus '11 etc) and Stan never outhit feds. It was very even and the feds fh was lethal.

Even since '13 - Stan has leathered the ball and clearly has outhit Feds. So noticeable in their matches at MC '14, wimby '14 and O2.

I am not that sure about that. I remember very close sets between those 2 before Norman...with Fed edging essentially in the mind.

noleisthebest wrote:Show me a player in top 20 who is not on something and I'll show you a sexy 100 year old...

I thought most here were of the belief that feds was clean.

luvsports! wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:Show me a player in top 20 who is not on something and I'll show you a sexy 100 year old...

I thought most here were of the belief that feds was clean.

Either he is clean or his doctors are not very good.

luvsports! wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:Show me a player in top 20 who is not on something and I'll show you a sexy 100 year old...

I thought most here were of the belief that feds was clean.

"was" indeed.

This is 21st century tennis, decade 2.

Tenez wrote:

luvsports! wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:Show me a player in top 20 who is not on something and I'll show you a sexy 100 year old...

I thought most here were of the belief that feds was clean.

Either he is clean or his doctors are not very good.

Or it doesn't work with his style of play, just like with Tsonga and others.

Tsonga's got that rampant "Ali" look in his eyes!
Fasten your seat belts!

noleisthebest wrote:

Tenez wrote:

luvsports! wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:Show me a player in top 20 who is not on something and I'll show you a sexy 100 year old...

I thought most here were of the belief that feds was clean.

Either he is clean or his doctors are not very good.

Or it doesn't work with his style of play, just like with Tsonga and others.

Fed woudl have benefitted quite a bit from steroids as well as EPO.

noleisthebest wrote:Show me a player in top 20 who is not on something and I'll show you a sexy 100 year old...

Hmm, it seems it's still possible to make huge gains by going on a (different? better?) regime, see Wawrinka. There will be big differences in what kind of drugs players consume, some might not dare to take the more experimental stuff, while others might not care that much. (like during the beginning of epo, when it was considered dangerous)

Autumnleaf wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:Show me a player in top 20 who is not on something and I'll show you a sexy 100 year old...

Hmm, it seems it's still possible to make huge gains by going on a (different? better?) regime, see Wawrinka. There will be big differences in what kind of drugs players consume, some might not dare to take the more experimental stuff, while others might not care that much. (like during the beginning of epo, when it was considered dangerous)

I know virtually nothing about drugs, but I know what a clean tennis player can do.

Tenez wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:

Tenez wrote:

luvsports! wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:Show me a player in top 20 who is not on something and I'll show you a sexy 100 year old...

I thought most here were of the belief that feds was clean.

Either he is clean or his doctors are not very good.

Or it doesn't work with his style of play, just like with Tsonga and others.

Fed woudl have benefitted quite a bit from steroids as well as EPO.

Well he obviously has, but not as much as the others who rely on outlasting.
Just look at Cilic.

How would you know if you don't know who plays clean and who does not and moreover suspect that everybody is on drugs?

Where is the limit for clean players?

What's going on with Stan?

Autumnleaf wrote:How would you know if you don't know who plays clean and who does not and moreover suspect that everybody is on drugs?

Where is the limit for clean players?

Because I play myself.

5-0 in the TB.

noleisthebest wrote:

Autumnleaf wrote:How would you know if you don't know who plays clean and who does not and moreover suspect that everybody is on drugs?

Where is the limit for clean players?

Because I play myself.

The limit is one set.

noleisthebest wrote:Well he obviously has, but not as much as the others who rely on outlasting.
Just look at Cilic.

What is so obvious about it? he is more like fine china than provencal clay pot to me.

noleisthebest wrote:

Autumnleaf wrote:How would you know if you don't know who plays clean and who does not and moreover suspect that everybody is on drugs?

Where is the limit for clean players?

Because I play myself.

That isn't proof at all.

noleisthebest wrote:

Autumnleaf wrote:How would you know if you don't know who plays clean and who does not and moreover suspect that everybody is on drugs?

Where is the limit for clean players?

Because I play myself.

Well, unless you are a world class player, that doesn't mean you know. Even then it's tough, because physical limits DO differ between human beings.

Tenez wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:Well he obviously has, but not as much as the others who rely on outlasting.
Just look at Cilic.

What is so obvious about it? he is more like fine china than provencal clay pot to me.

I was not comparing depth of their game, nobody comes close to Fed there...just the short points style of playing.

Cilic also piled on muscle which made the difference in the weight of his shots.

With Fed...I suppose just the energy to last and compete in long rallies.
It's far too physical for him to be clean now even with all the talent.

Esp week in week out.

Autumnleaf wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:

Autumnleaf wrote:How would you know if you don't know who plays clean and who does not and moreover suspect that everybody is on drugs?

Where is the limit for clean players?

Because I play myself.

Well, unless you are a world class player, that doesn't mean you know. Even then it's tough, because physical limits DO differ between human beings.

You don't have to be a world class player to know what's physically possible and what's not.
It's quite easy, in fact.

^^ I don't think so. What's the limit for 100 m? What's the limit for 10.000 or for climbing Alpe d'Huez?

Waw can't stand the heat

^^ thought that too.