Nadal and Carlos Bernardes

Amazing again. I keep saying it and now there is an article about it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/rafaelnadal/11622372/French-Open-2015-Rafael-Nadal-makes-a-mockery-of-the-rule-book.html

In which sport are athletes able to choose their referees? This is absurd and simply shows why referees have been reluctant in the past in applying the 20s rule. I remember saying that the referees had no choice but to let it go under the control of higher powers.

It's very clear to see now. ...and clearly confirms that Nadal has never won a single slam within the rules!

What a scumbag!

Bernardes is one of if not the best 2-3 umpires on tour.

I wonder what his colleagues have to say....and will they apply the 20 seconds rule in Paris.

Nadal must not be allowed to continue abusing his status.

I can't believe it....

Yes and doesn't that confirm as well why Nadal doesn't last the distance anylonger. It must make him very nervous. Hence his lack of confidence.

Playing within rules is obviously impossible for Nadal.
And it's obvious how having the rule applied even only sporadically has affected his play and confidence.

Well done for pointing it out for years, T!

Tenez wrote:Yes and doesn't that confirm as well why Nadal doesn't last the distance anylonger. It must make him very nervous. Hence his lack of confidence.

Spot on!

I am so glad he got this tough draw in RG where he'll hopefully desperately miss those extra seconds that brought him all the success.

I would like to hear people speak out about it more!

Fans, pundits, commentators, other players...

I saw a thread on v2...and some childish and naive comments comparing Nadal's time abuse to others'.

The fact is,  they can all play and survive within the rules and he can't!

He barks AND bites!

I still can't believe he managed to get rid of Bernades like this.
It's shocking.

Good, Blic took  the article from Telegraph.
They've even added a clip of Bernades laughing at Nadal when he put on shorts the wrong way round



http://sport.blic.rs/Tenis/272819/Nadalov-pritisak-uspeo-nece-suditi-covek-koji-mu-se-smejao-i-opominjao-ga

It's a brilliant ploy by Nadal and Toni if it works--  they force and put pressure on the powers to remove Bernades from the prime time and well watched matches Nadal plays.  All because Bernades wasn't afraid to penalize Nadal when Nadal is breaking the rules.  

The other umpires see what happens to Bernades and it's like dominos falling. None of them want to get knocked off of the best matches, so they hold back and let Nadal cheat.

It would be interesting if they give Bernades some of the Federer matches at RG--  a way of placating him and keeping him in line..   "we take you from the Nadal matches, but are giving you the more watched Federer matches."


Does anyone know who the umpire was that caught Nadal cheating by being coached at Wimbledon several years ago?  IT would be interesting to know if he continued to umpire Nadal matches, or was pushed aside like Bernades.

The assertion on the other forum (though few but the fanatics believe it) that the powers are targeting Nadal with time violations to cause him to lose is beyond belief.  

The powers literly shifted a whole sport by changing conditions and balls to help one player so they could create an all court rival for the pure domination that was Roger Federer.   Anyone with some sense can see they saw that Nadal could make things interesting on clay and create some lacking drama in Federer matches, so started bringing the other surfaces in to suit Nadal and create it everywhere.  On top of that, they turned a blind eye to both blatant and behind the scenes cheating. They clearly fixed draws to help Nadal.

Now suddenly when he's at the tender age of 28/29- basically the same age as the current #1 and still the 2nd best draw in the sport, they are going to start telling umpires to purposely cause him to lose!!?  It makes 0 sense.

truffin1 wrote:The other umpires see what happens to Bernades and it's like dominos falling. None of them want to get knocked off of the best matches, so they hold back and let Nadal cheat.

Or they coudl simply carry on Bernardes task and show Nadal that they will have to sack them all if he wants to keep breaking the rule. I am pretty sure that all referees woudl have done so had they had the power to..but clearly a higher powers prevent them from applying the rule. This is what this article is saying. The ATP is owned 50% by TDs and 50% by players. It means that players have their say on who is doing the referring job.....but as Trursinov says, "there is a rule for Nadal and one for the rest of us".

Does anyone know who the umpire was that caught Nadal cheating by being coached at Wimbledon several years ago?  IT would be interesting to know if he continued to umpire Nadal matches, or was pushed aside like Bernades.

I believe it is the Belgium guy..but not sure. Nadal threatened him with his finger.

The assertion on the other forum (though few but the fanatics believe it) that the powers are targeting Nadal with time violations to cause him to lose is beyond belief. 

 nadal is a money machine.....the powers are helping him, it's bloody clear.

T

he powers literly shifted a whole sport by changing conditions and balls to help one player so they could create an all court rival for the pure domination that was Roger Federer.   Anyone with some sense can see they saw that Nadal could make things interesting on clay and create some lacking drama in Federer matches, so started bringing the other surfaces in to suit Nadal and create it everywhere.  On top of that, they turned a blind eye to both blatant and behind the scenes cheating. They clearly fixed draws to help Nadal.

yep...and who were the first ones to say it loud?
One day you will realise also that nadal without his steroids woudl not have made the top 50, or just about. It's so crucial for his game.

It looks like only The Telegraph has covered Nadal-Bernardes news in the whole of English speaking media!!!

If you google Nadal + Bernardes and click on news tab - it's only the French that have articles about it.
Also some tiny Italian and Brasilian websites.

BBC quiet.
Marca quiet.
Americans as well.


But it was much worse when that woman published the Draw Fixing study.
Everyone ignored her.

I have no words for doing it to Bernades. These are the most shitted organizers ever been. They are absolutely ridiculous.

Would be really interisting to hear  tournament officials reactions. So, only umpire who is enough brave and fair to penalize Nadal from time violation twice in Rio, got withdrawn from Nadal's matches.

What are they doing next after Nadal's moaning? They are able to stop watering clay when Toni tells him, that it is still ok or will fetch big ventilators on the court  when Nadal will need to dry his hair or will not sweep the clay after every set, because Toni tells him that he has an alergy to dust?

Nadal's pack is quite something and organizers are ne'er-do-well

I learnt yesterday that players have to give minimum hours per week to their ATP sponsors (4h for Serena for WTA for instance) This shows how important are key players (those with big popularity as they in effect generate money for their sport authority (ATP here).

Nadal, more than any other player, it seems, abuses of his position.

But I am pretty sure than the day he drops down teh ranking and does not sell as much, we will hear much more about him.

Tenez wrote:I learnt yesterday that players have to give minimum hours per week to their ATP sponsors (4h for Serena for WTA for instance) This shows how important are key players (those with big popularity as they in effect generate money for their sport authority (ATP here).

Nadal, more than any other player, it seems, abuses of his position.

But I am pretty sure than the day he drops down teh ranking and does not sell as much, we will hear much more about him.

My brother knows the owner of a company which is since last year a strategic partner of the ATP. My brother was invited in the business lounge of this company in last year's tour finals in London. The company promised their relations that big players would enter the lounge. And so did Nadal, despite the fact he wasn't playing. Nadal at least spent 90 minutes in the lounge and was very accessible to anyone. (there were about 15-20 guests in the lounge). For years i told my brother about NAdal's dark side yet he couldn't resist Nadal's charmes the moment he stood next to him.  He actually had a chat with him for about 10 minutes. My brother knows how i think about Nadal so obviously he was sending me a couple pics from him posing with NAdal, like BFF's  . Well, he had me there

Anyway, Nadal knows how to use his charm in sponsor settings. The guy is like Dr Jeckyll and Mr Hyde.
What's my point? Nothing really

It confirms GP that those top players have to give time to the ATP sponsors. It's part of their contracts. To be an official sponsor of WTA for instance it's $12M/year for 5 year minimum. And with this price comes the time big players have to give to those sponsors.

So I can easily imagine that a sponsor who spent so much money want to make the most of Nadal or Federer's names on their own brand.....and the last thing they (and teh ATP) want to hear is that those guys are not playing fair!

This is simply why all those sport organisations want to cover cheats. Way too much money involved.

Confirmation from nadal that he requested/demanded And was granted not to have Bernades as an umpire.

Absolutely outrageous.


Q. Can you tell me what happened with Bernardes? Is it true the situation he cannot umpire your matches, or do you know anything about it? Because I read it, but I have no exactly the clue what happened.

RAFAEL NADAL: Is easy, no? There is a lot of umpires on the tour. I respect a lot Bernardes. I consider him a great umpire and a good person, but I think when you have some troubles with the same umpire, sometimes it's easy to stay for a while away, no? I think that's the real thing. I think is better for both of us if we are not in court at the same time for a while after what happened in Rio de Janeiro. That's it. No problem with him personally.

Q. But not your request?

RAFAEL NADAL: Yes, it was my request, and the ATP talking about -- well, I asked if it's possible, but nothing personal against him 100%. I respect him like umpire, I respect him like person, and I consider him a good person more than that. So for me is not -- I am not happy with that situation. That's the first thing. Because I would love to have Bernardes on the court again. Will happen, but, you know, I think for both of us it is better to have a break, you know. We had some problems. For me he hasn't -- he was not enough respectful with me in Rio de Janeiro . That was my feeling when I put my shorts the other way. He wants to put me warnings four times, that's fine. But if I put my shorts other way and I ask him if I can change my shorts, I can put my shorts the right way, and his answer is, Yes, but you will receive a time warning. For me, that's not fair, you know, (smiling.) When something like that, something like this did happen on court, that I think is not fair. I think is, you know, shows not respect, because I cannot play a full game with the shorts the other way. So it's better. It's better to be away for a while. That's all. No personal problem with him, no? Seriously, I'm not saying that because I am in front of you. I respect him, I like him, but he was not right. And I believe that is for relationship and everything is better to be away for a bit.

Q.

"No problem with him personally."....that's typically what we call in French "the wooden tongue". A blatant lie. They hate each other.....and rightly so.

Asked on Tuesday whether he had ever made such a request, Novak Djokovic said he hadn't - nor did he think it a regular occurrence.

"There are some chair umpires in some matches that I remember that I wasn't very happy with how they did their job, but I never thought of requesting a chair umpire not to ever - or whatever, for a certain time - be a chair umpire in my matches.
'I don't think that's fair. I don't think that's fair to them. You know, they do their job as best as they can. Of course, sometimes they do it better or worse.'"

Looks like a few players shared their views. Stan being a bit clearer on the subject than Federer who clearly once again tries to manage rafa.

https://fr.sports.yahoo.com/news/roland-garros-laffaire-nadal-bernardes-fait-parler-161040051--ten.html

Not sure why he has been managing Rafa recently? Is it because he feels Rafa is ailing and teh sport needs him?

Disappointing from Fed, very disappointing, in fact.

"You know, it is a very personal matter, like how in life you are better off with someone and not so with others. There are enough umpires out there hence, in his (Nadal’s) situation, it is not a big problem for the ATP or for the umpire or for himself.

It is something very much between them, and that’s why I try to not focus on who is the umpire and and focus only on my game, so that those things won’t creep into my head. But yeah, it is hard. We have played almost a thousand matches, so clearly with some umpires you have issues. But then, it is okay if the umpires also don’t have the best day. We understand that, it’s the same for us as well; we won’t be in our best moods every day."

Sometimes I really think he must like Nadal quite a lot ... How is it even possible to be of two minds about it? Nadal clearly bullied an umpire who dared to punish his trespassing the rules. And the ATP obviously allowed it and removed the umpire in question from his matches, which shows to the whole world just how corrupt they are.

For the very trespassing Fed himself called Nadal out last year iirc (not directly of course, he just had to mention Djokovic and himself of all people. ) and said the umpires should react, irrespective of the name of the player involved. Well, if they do, they get removed, so what now?

I think Fed suffers from Stockholm syndrome when it comes to Nadal.

It is for sure very weird. He doesn't like Nadal's style of play, he doesn't like his grunting or his delaying tactics. But he will always jump to his defense, even in such an obvious case.

Maybe it's some kind of sympathizing to the champ who has to go through rough times and is written off already? Happened to someone else as well.

noleisthebest wrote:Asked on Tuesday whether he had ever made such a request, Novak Djokovic said he hadn't - nor did he think it a regular occurrence.

"There are some chair umpires in some matches that I remember that I wasn't very happy with how they did their job, but I never thought of requesting a chair umpire not to ever - or whatever, for a certain time - be a chair umpire in my matches.
'I don't think that's fair. I don't think that's fair to them. You know, they do their job as best as they can. Of course, sometimes they do it better or worse.'"

This is what a top player should say, even though he didn't dare to say clearly that Nadal wanted Bernardes gone because he dared to punish his delaying tactics. That would be too much though probably, just like saying "he is cheating and wants to get away with it." Which would be the truth.

I think Fed is scared of being seen as bitter by Nadal's fans.

What Kim thinks about it? He has been silent on this subject!

Yes, Kimmy, where are you hiding?

Irrelevant of whether the umpire is brilliant or terrible, the ATP should not be taking requests of which umpire umpires certain matches. Irrelevant of that particular circumstance, it can have unintended negative consequences.

I think most umpires are pretty similar with Rafa when it comes to him breaking the time rule, but Nadal got really pissed off and reacted like a bit of a teenage girl when Carlos said he can't change his shorts the right way round and took it a bit personally. I can't blame the umpire for penalising a player for taking too long, but some common sense would have helped here- I don't see the big issue with letting Nadal put his shorts the right way round.

noleisthebest wrote:I think Fed suffers from Stockholm syndrome when it comes to Nadal.

Maybe Federer is actually Woofie from the Rafateers.

gallery play wrote:
For years i told my brother about NAdal's dark side yet he couldn't resist Nadal's charmes the moment he stood next to him.  He actually had a chat with him for about 10 minutes. My brother knows how i think about Nadal so obviously he was sending me a couple pics from him posing with NAdal, like BFF's  . Well, he had me there

Anyway, Nadal knows how to use his charm in sponsor settings.

When I went to his training session in Mallorca he took time to make sure all the fans got autographs and selfies.
And when I was taking my selfie with him, I had my iPad on the wrong camera setting, and he realised and quickly changed it to photo setting. It was his quick dexterity in changing my iPad setting which is the sole reason I'm convinced he has good hand/eye co-ordination.

All athletes, esp tennis players are coordinated, that's the prerogative for being good at any sport.

But....

Then comes talent to differentiate good from the best

The big question is, who is going to umpire potential, historic Nole-Nadal QF?

That match holds so much on the line, mainly for Nadal:
If he loses it, he'll drop out of the rankings stratospherically, and then the whole world will see his true, ugly face.

I bet all umpires are sick of the sight if him, most of the players, too.

An absolutely huge, huge match, bigger than RG 2011 SF.

Kim Jong-Un wrote:

noleisthebest wrote:I think Fed suffers from Stockholm syndrome when it comes to Nadal.

Maybe Federer is actually Woofie from the Rafateers.

How's good, old Wooffie?
Is she still on v2?

I remember her photo with Nadal.

Tenez wrote:I think Fed is scared of being seen as bitter by Nadal's fans.

What Kim thinks about it? He has been silent on this subject!

But don't you think he missed a golden opportunity to say something meaningful.

What kind of an ego is he if he is worried what Nadal fans are going to think about him....

I think Fed was trying to save the sport more than Nadal. We already had players expressing strong views so I think he was trying to temper it.

The best way he can save the sport is to play as long as possible!
And how is he going to be able to play his tennis for 5 more years if PED abusers are able to prosper.

Allowing Nadal to block umpires is a dangerous precedent.

On another matter, despite Babolat producing this terrible ball, I think FO organisers have done a brilliant, historic job with the draw.
That alone thing is what is making this RG unforgettable.

I really hope it pays off. That's how you look after the sport.

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Irrelevant of whether the umpire is brilliant or terrible, the ATP should not be taking requests of which umpire umpires certain matches. Irrelevant of that particular circumstance, it can have unintended negative consequences.

I think most umpires are pretty similar with Rafa when it comes to him breaking the time rule, but Nadal got really pissed off and reacted like a bit of a teenage girl when Carlos said he can't change his shorts the right way round and took it a bit personally. I can't blame the umpire for penalising a player for taking too long, but some common sense would have helped here- I don't see the big issue with letting Nadal put his shorts the right way round.

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Irrelevant of whether the umpire is brilliant or terrible, the ATP should not be taking requests of which umpire umpires certain matches. Irrelevant of that particular circumstance, it can have unintended negative consequences.

I think most umpires are pretty similar with Rafa when it comes to him breaking the time rule, but Nadal got really pissed off and reacted like a bit of a teenage girl when Carlos said he can't change his shorts the right way round and took it a bit personally. I can't blame the umpire for penalising a player for taking too long, but some common sense would have helped here- I don't see the big issue with letting Nadal put his shorts the right way round.

First of all, there is nothing unintended in this move from camp Nadal.
Secondly, the shorts incident is just a smokescreen.

Nadal is an expert at dirty play both on and off the court.

yes this short incident is a bit bizarre. Most fans woudl tend to think it was a genuine incident....and maybe it was....but never rule out the fact it was again done to grab a few more seconds with Nadal.

I think Carlos has seen nadal's behaviour for years and did not want to fall for another trick. Shame if it was a really genuine mistake..but he can only blame himself to have created this suspicion to professionals of the sport!

The whole point was the shorts saga was used to make Bernardes look unreasonable.
Throwing sand in the face.

Nadal didn't threaten to get rid of him then, did he?

It was a year later, when he was losing to Fognini.

Are you sure the short incident happened a year ago and is not this year?

I checked, yes, it was this year.
Nadal is right.
And Federer.
It's all personal.

This has caused meltdown on 606v2, where the usual suspects have been dissembling frantically, trying to say the problem is inconsistent application and victimisation of Nadal (seriously!!!!!!!!!).

Andy Murrays experience today - and his very mature reaction - has really taken the wind out of their sails. Hilarious!

What happened with Murray today BB? I went to play tennis instead.

So true.

bogbrush wrote:This has caused meltdown on 606v2, where the usual suspects have been dissembling frantically, trying to say the problem is inconsistent application and victimisation of Nadal (seriously!!!!!!!!!).

Andy Murrays experience today - and his very mature reaction - has really taken the wind out of their sails. Hilarious!

Well, v2 has always been Rafa stronghold...you don't tow the line and you get booted!

I could never understand why, though...but it's funny to see grown up adults "defend" their hero to those ends...I suppose that's the beauty of tennis forums!

Tenez wrote:What happened with Murray today BB? I went to play tennis instead.

He got two time violations, the second one when the replay of the last point was still showing on the big screen, which seems unfair really. However he hasn't moaned, just said they all have to back the Umpires and get on with it. This has severely distressed some who were claiming Nadal was being targeted by the Umpires and that he was right to want Carlos not to officiate because of "lack of respect". In particular hawkeye, who hates Murray with a passion anyway.

They're also upset that Djokovic came out against Nadal & that newspapers are carrying the story. Everyone hates poor Rafa, apparently.

Very funny, especially as I have had multiple run-ins with a very pro-Nadal moderator over there and was getting told off because of the arguments.

Good on Murray for supporting umpires!

Yes Murray reacted like a professional.

It's not the first time Nadal is threatening referees. We remember when he threatened the Belgium referee with his finger in Wimbledon. There again, Nadal trying to exercise his power over people whose job is simply to apply the rules.

Just shows to me how far nadal is ready to go to win. If you can cheat for time taking or getting coaching on court, why would you not bother cheating with your diet as well, especially if this can be done safely behing closed doors?

Nadal's been on a mission against 25 second rule ever since Brad Drewitt put his foot down about it:

https://ourtennisforum.forumotion.co.uk/t267-nadal-doesn-t-like-the-new-25-second-rule-enforcement-shocking?

That was after Nadal came back from his phantom 7 month injury aka silent ban.

I am really happy Murray got  those time violations yesterday ( and didn't chuck a tantrum like Nadal) which umpire did it?

Hopefully, other umpires will be as brave.
And let's not forget, it's 20, not 25 seconds in slams.

Hard to believe Nadal played within 20 seconds his two matches in RG, though....

Pascal Maria