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Post by Tenez on Fri May 29, 2015 8:59 pm

Novak Djokovic (SRB) [10]
vs.Thanasi Kokkinakis (AUS) (66)

Richard Gasquet (FRA) [20]
vs.Kevin Anderson (RSA) [15]

Serena Williams (USA) [10]
vs.Victoria Azarenka (BLR) [20]

Andy Murray (GBR) [13]
vs.Nick Kyrgios (AUS) [45]

Andrey Kuznetsov (RUS) (99)
vs.Rafael Nadal (ESP) [16]

David Goffin (BEL) [17]
vs.Jeremy Chardy (FRA) (25)

Simone Bolelli (ITA) (49)
vs.David Ferrer (ESP) [7]

Jack Sock (USA) (33)
vs.Borna Coric (CRO) (33)

Marin Cilic (CRO) [19]
vs.Leonardo Mayer (ARG) [23]


A vous de jouer!

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 29, 2015 9:04 pm

Novak Djokovic (SRB) [10]

Richard Gasquet (FRA) [20]

Serena Williams (USA) [10]

Andy Murray (GBR) [13]

Andrey Kuznetsov (RUS) (99) Could help the laggers get back on track....

vs.Jeremy Chardy (FRA) (25)

vs.David Ferrer (ESP) [7]

Jack Sock (USA) (33)

Leonardo Mayer (ARG) [23]

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Re: Roland Garros 2015: Daily Prediction game Day 7 Saturday 30 - May

Post by paulcz on Fri May 29, 2015 9:25 pm

Having read an interview with Berdych, he has confirmed a lot of already mentioned things about current courts and balls.

Berd said that the quality of RG courts this year is the worst for last 12 years.  He showed by fingers two centimeters of clay layer to Bernardes. Very disappointing.

Balls are totally different than in other atp events, very dull. Therefore  Berd's racket tension is  4 kilo lesser  than his standard. 

Organizers have just prepared  courts really badly and fetched weirdest balls, that are available.

It looks as if organizers have fears from a good quality tennis. They show quite terrible stuff there.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 29, 2015 9:35 pm

Nole mentioned the poor state of courts, as well, and is annoyed umpires again don't allow watering.

He sprained hip flexor yesterday because of unevenness of the ground and was worried he may get injured.

Not good.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 29, 2015 9:38 pm

Djokovic, Gasquet, Azarenka, Murray, Nadal, Chardy, Ferrer, Sock, Cilic

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 29, 2015 10:03 pm

paulcz wrote:Having read an interview with Berdych, he has confirmed a lot of already mentioned things about current courts and balls.

Berd said that the quality of RG courts this year is the worst for last 12 years.  He showed by fingers two centimeters of clay layer to Bernardes. Very disappointing.

Balls are totally different than in other atp events, very dull. Therefore  Berd's racket tension is  4 kilo lesser  than his standard. 

Organizers have just prepared  courts really badly and fetched weirdest balls, that are available.

It looks as if organizers have fears from a good quality tennis. They show quite terrible stuff there.

Well I think the Babolat people are under lots of pressure now with all that was said about it.

Those conds certainly helped Monfils today v Cuevas..and yes will help Nadal, though I think he is beyond help!

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Re: Roland Garros 2015: Daily Prediction game Day 7 Saturday 30 - May

Post by Polly 81 on Fri May 29, 2015 10:26 pm

Djokovic
Gasquet
Williams
Murray
Kuznetsov
Goffin
Ferrer
Sock
Mayer

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Post by summerblues on Sat May 30, 2015 12:39 am

Djokovic
Gasquet
Williams
Murray
Nadal
Goffin
Ferrer
Sock
Mayer

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Post by luvsports! on Sat May 30, 2015 12:55 am

Djoko, Gasq, Serena, Murray, Nadal, goffin, Bolelli, Coric, Mayer

AH: djok, gasq, aza, murr, nadal, chardy, ferrer, sock, cilic.

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Post by luvsports! on Sat May 30, 2015 1:00 am

HJ: djok gasquet serena murray rafa goffin bolelli sock mayer

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Re: Roland Garros 2015: Daily Prediction game Day 7 Saturday 30 - May

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sat May 30, 2015 2:24 am

1. Djokovic
2. Anderson
3. Azarenka
4. Murray
5. Nadal ( 99 points on offer for Kuznetsov but not even 1% chance of him winning. So lets take 16 )
6. Goffin
7. Bolleli
8. Coric
9. Mayer

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 30, 2015 8:43 am

I look forward to both Aussie matches today, esp the Kyrg one.
I hope he is at least 95% fit to play, as he's been carrying several smaller injuries all season.

I like his easy power and attacking mindset, but as Fed said he needs to find the way to channel that talent nto finding ways to win.
Murray will be a good test for him.

If Kyrg is fit, anything can happen.

With Nole-Kokki, less so. Although he is good, Koki is not in the same league as Kyrg.

I hope Sock manages not to fall into Coric "Nadal" trap, would be good to see him take on Nadal in r4.

Kuznetsov..well that's a classic light-weight DBH-er I was talking about re Nadal's fixed draw...though he is a quality one...it shouldn't be boring as he is a good competitor.

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Post by gallery play on Sat May 30, 2015 8:57 am

Djokovic
Gasquet
Williams
Murray
Nadal
Goffin
Ferrer
Coric
Cilic

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Post by Autumnleaf on Sat May 30, 2015 9:02 am

Novak Djokovic (SRB) [10]
Richard Gasquet (FRA) [20]
Victoria Azarenka (BLR) [20]
Andy Murray (GBR) [13]
Rafael Nadal (ESP) [16]
David Goffin (BEL) [17]
David Ferrer (ESP) [7]
Borna Coric (CRO) (33)
Marin Cilic (CRO) [19]

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Re: Roland Garros 2015: Daily Prediction game Day 7 Saturday 30 - May

Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 30, 2015 11:27 am

Big serve - tick
Easy power - tick
Soft hands - tick
Talent - tick

But nothing beats that thing between the ears....

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 30, 2015 11:33 am

Kyrgios is like Monfils - no heart.
But unlike Kyrgios, Monfils is quite sly and not so vain.

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Post by luvsports! on Sat May 30, 2015 11:37 am

Nonsense he has no heart.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 30, 2015 11:41 am

It's all just "front", LS...his ego can't cope with losing.

That's where Kokkinakis, although not as talented is ahead if him, quite mature and good competitor.

There is more to heart than just going for shots, it's about gritting it out - corazon!!!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 30, 2015 11:51 am

Time to switch to Nole...lovely outfut!!!!

Best dressed man in RG this year: clean and sharp, just like his tennis today Winking

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Post by luvsports! on Sat May 30, 2015 12:00 pm

He has beaten feds and nadal. He has heart.

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 30, 2015 12:05 pm

Djoko is better....but not by much.

Do people think Djoko was better than Kokki at the same age?


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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sat May 30, 2015 12:08 pm

luvsports! wrote:He has beaten feds and nadal. He has heart.

His shot selection is poor at times. Thats why he loses lot of points which he could easily win. Often going for too much when he doesn't need to. Attempt some outrageous shots just too boost that show-off nature of being a star. Murray hasn't played anything great today but is easily winning this one.

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 30, 2015 12:51 pm

Djokovic washes whiter!

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 30, 2015 12:57 pm

Tenez wrote:Djoko is better....but not by much.

Do people think Djoko was better than Kokki at the same age?

Kokki already serves better.

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Post by luvsports! on Sat May 30, 2015 1:00 pm

Yes but he is 6'5/6'6 no?
His serve isn't that good for his height, ala Tomic.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sat May 30, 2015 1:10 pm

I don't think it matters how good Djokovic was when same age as Kokki. Lots of players have had a great juniors career and if you look age wise that time, they were better than most. But it doesn't really transition into how good they would continue to be. Monfils, Gasquet, Chardy, were all great among in their young age.

Rank-wise Kokki is better than what Djokovic was, but thats no indication that 10 years from now Kokki too will be as dominant as Djokovic.

Did you ever thought looking at a 19yo Fed that he would become GOAT? Some players just transform themselves, some stay where they were.

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Post by gallery play on Sat May 30, 2015 1:15 pm

I realize that some tennis fans found Fed's dominance boring but man, who can watch a full set of Djoko against a lower ranked player? (sorry nitb).

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 30, 2015 1:21 pm

luvsports! wrote:Yes but he is 6'6 no?
His serve isn't that good for his height, ala Tomic.
Helps but Djoko's serve is not that great for being 6'2 either...plus 10 more years experience! That's not negligeable!

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 30, 2015 1:23 pm

gallery play wrote:I realize that some tennis fans found Fed's dominance boring but man, who can watch a full set of Djoko against a lower ranked player? (sorry nitb).
I was thinking the same. It's feels we are in the 1920s with endless powerless long rallies

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 30, 2015 1:25 pm

gallery play wrote:I realize that some tennis fans found Fed's dominance boring but man, who can watch a full set of Djoko against a lower ranked player? (sorry nitb).
Did you see the camera shooting a 20yo dozing in the crowd like he was 80!

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Post by gallery play on Sat May 30, 2015 1:26 pm

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Did you ever thought looking at a 19yo Fed that he would become GOAT? Some players just transform themselves, some stay where they were.
Well actually Rotla, that was the remarkable part. Even before he won his first slam, there already was a buzz of that young swiss player who possibly could break Sampras' slam record.
That's a testiment of how incredible his touch was because he was also known for having a bad temper and being a weak matchplayer.
Let alone his movement. Take a look a this clip,  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgDncDs2h5o) he's 19yo here, his movement is almost laughable but his hands alone were enough to beat Goran. Insiders knew there was something special up and coming.
Young players now are much better athletes but no one comes close to Fed's raw talent.

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Post by gallery play on Sat May 30, 2015 1:29 pm

Tenez wrote:
gallery play wrote:I realize that some tennis fans found Fed's dominance boring but man, who can watch a full set of Djoko against a lower ranked player? (sorry nitb).
Did you see the camera shooting a 20yo dozing in the crowd like he was 80!
It's not good. I rather watch JAck Sock - Coric than the best player out there..

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 30, 2015 1:32 pm

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:I don't think it matters how good Djokovic was when same age as Kokki. Lots of players have had a great juniors career and if you look age wise that time, they were better than most. But it doesn't really transition into how good they would continue to be. Monfils, Gasquet, Chardy, were all great among in their young age.

Rank-wise Kokki is better than what Djokovic was, but thats no indication that 10 years from now Kokki too will be as dominant as Djokovic.

Did you ever thought looking at a 19yo Fed that he would become GOAT? Some players just transform themselves, some stay where they were.
By my point Rotla is not that they are going to have a better slam record than Djoko and Nadal. My point is the fact that Djoko and Nadal who used fitness to dominate have had it easy as no-one else was nearly as fit then. in 3 or 4 years time players will need to be either much fitter or be as fit with much more weapons.
Nadal and Djoko have only fitness working for them. That won't be enough in 3 years time. I'd say even next year in fact.

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 30, 2015 1:39 pm

gallery play wrote:  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgDncDs2h5o) he's 19yo here, his movement is almost laughable but his hands alone were enough to beat Goran. Insiders knew there was something special up and coming.
Young players now are much better athletes but no one comes close to Fed's raw talent.
Wow mouvement was so different at that time! Goran moved like WW2 tank!

And they were "great athletes" already compared to Borg/Vilas time!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 30, 2015 1:44 pm

Nole won his first slam before he got super-fit.
No need to put him in the same basket with Nadal. Murray fits there more.
It's he who only started winning slams after piling on 6kg of muscle during one off-season.

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Post by gallery play on Sat May 30, 2015 1:59 pm

How well did Murray play btw? If he keeps winning this easy he could enter the semi quite fresh against a possibly tired Djoko (or maybe Nadal)

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Post by gallery play on Sat May 30, 2015 2:18 pm

The very first point of the match of Nadal-Kuz is a spoiler of how this match will  fare. This is the perfect sparring partner for Nadal for a nice and easy training.
I can't watch this

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 30, 2015 2:27 pm

The draw might turn out to be in Nadal's advantage. Tough Quarter but will be fresh then and if he gets through then unlikely to be stopped thereafter.

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 30, 2015 2:40 pm

Nadal trying to pull the trigger...but misses. He shoudl keep retrieving, that's all he can do really. That's why he lost v Stan on Rome. Stupidly tried to hit winners. It's so foreign to him.

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Post by legendkillar on Sat May 30, 2015 3:08 pm

Watching Nadal and Kuznetsov is like watching Tyson vs a paraplegic! Got 2 channels and I can't escape the match!

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Sat May 30, 2015 3:16 pm

Tenez wrote:Djoko is better....but not by much.

Do people think Djoko was better than Kokki at the same age?

Well they're from different tennis generations, so it's hard to compare, but I think it's clear that Djoko was showing more obvious signs of exceptional talent at the same age, a talent that has been borne out by his ATG career record. Do you think it's likely that Kokki will win a maiden slam by age 20 and, if not, is that an admission that Djoko won his first during a weak era!?

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Sat May 30, 2015 3:17 pm

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:I don't think it matters how good Djokovic was when same age as Kokki. Lots of players have had a great juniors career and if you look age wise that time, they were better than most. But it doesn't really transition into how good they would continue to be. Monfils, Gasquet, Chardy, were all great among in their young age.

Rank-wise Kokki is better than what Djokovic was, but thats no indication that 10 years from now Kokki too will be as dominant as Djokovic.

Did you ever thought looking at a 19yo Fed that he would become GOAT? Some players just transform themselves, some stay where they were.
Good post!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat May 30, 2015 3:29 pm

gallery play wrote:How well did Murray play btw? If he keeps winning this easy he could enter the semi quite fresh against a possibly tired Djoko (or maybe Nadal)
He played reasonably well for his clay standards.
Well enough to make Kyrg panic and start playing stupid.

It was hard for him to play his game in these conditions against a patient Murray who is finally looking comfortable in his movement.

I am not sure if he could beat Nadal over 5 sets. He has more chance against him than Nole.


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Post by Tenez on Sat May 30, 2015 3:30 pm

legendkillar wrote:Watching Nadal and Kuznetsov is like watching Tyson vs a paraplegic! Got 2 channels and I can't escape the match!
Hi LK....long time no read. Hope all is well.

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 30, 2015 3:31 pm

Aut0Gr4ph wrote:
Tenez wrote:Djoko is better....but not by much.

Do people think Djoko was better than Kokki at the same age?

Well they're from different tennis generations, so it's hard to compare, but I think it's clear that Djoko was showing more obvious signs of exceptional talent at the same age, a talent that has been borne out by his ATG career record. Do you think it's likely that Kokki will win a maiden slam by age 20 and, if not, is that an admission that Djoko won his first during a weak era!?
As I said, that's not the point. Djoko woudl not be winning a slam with his 20yo tennis now.

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Post by legendkillar on Sat May 30, 2015 3:39 pm

Tenez wrote:
legendkillar wrote:Watching Nadal and Kuznetsov is like watching Tyson vs a paraplegic! Got 2 channels and I can't escape the match!
Hi LK....long time no read. Hope all is well.

Hey Tenbo,

Indeed all is well. I hope all is well with you. Thought I would stop in. Haven't been here for a while and being a creature of habit stuck mainly to the other place, but a poster has encouraged me to look afield and try other forums. 

Amazing to think I have Eurosport and ITV4 and I can't get anything but this match! Grr

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Sat May 30, 2015 3:42 pm

Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:I don't think it matters how good Djokovic was when same age as Kokki. Lots of players have had a great juniors career and if you look age wise that time, they were better than most. But it doesn't really transition into how good they would continue to be. Monfils, Gasquet, Chardy, were all great among in their young age.

Rank-wise Kokki is better than what Djokovic was, but thats no indication that 10 years from now Kokki too will be as dominant as Djokovic.

Did you ever thought looking at a 19yo Fed that he would become GOAT? Some players just transform themselves, some stay where they were.
By my point Rotla is not that they are going to have a better slam record than Djoko and Nadal. My point is the fact that Djoko and Nadal who used fitness to dominate have had it easy as no-one else was nearly as fit then. in 3 or 4 years time players will need to be either much fitter or be as fit with much more weapons.
Nadal and Djoko have only fitness working for them. That won't be enough in 3 years time. I'd say even next year in fact.
If Djoko's success is so dependent on fitness, how do you explain his particularly dominant best of 3 record over the last few years?

Talent + mental strength is what separates the best from the rest. Without those two ingredients, all the fitness in the world won't make a difference. All top level sport has a physical component and tennis is no different, but it is, in my opinion, still predominantly a game of incredible skill. Sure, the sport has become more physical over the last few years, but, for me, the physicality is the icing on the cake. You have to first be able to go toe-to-toe with skill and execution before fitness can even come into play.

Do you really believe this great sport has become so demeaned by physicality that arguably the greatest talent the game has ever seen can be dominated simply by superior fitness? If someone like Nadal has really found a talent-free way of winning, where are all the Nadal clones that are simply replicating his approach? I'm not for a second saying that fitness isn't important to Nadal's playing style. It clearly is. All I'm saying is that there must be other ingredients too, ingredients that would normally be described as talents.

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Re: Roland Garros 2015: Daily Prediction game Day 7 Saturday 30 - May

Post by Tenez on Sat May 30, 2015 3:47 pm

legendkillar wrote:
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legendkillar wrote:Watching Nadal and Kuznetsov is like watching Tyson vs a paraplegic! Got 2 channels and I can't escape the match!
Hi LK....long time no read. Hope all is well.

Hey Tenbo,

Indeed all is well. I hope all is well with you. Thought I would stop in. Haven't been here for a while and being a creature of habit stuck mainly to the other place, but a poster has encouraged me to look afield and try other forums. 

Amazing to think I have Eurosport and ITV4 and I can't get anything but this match! Grr
Good to have you. It's a free thinker forum here.

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Post by Aut0Gr4ph on Sat May 30, 2015 3:47 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Nole won his first slam before he got super-fit.
No need to put him in the same basket with Nadal. Murray fits there more.
It's he who only started winning slams after piling on 6kg of muscle during one off-season.
Oh really? I'm sure I remember Murray enjoying impressive results as a youngster while his fitness was, frankly, a joke. How do you explain that? What about Murray's aggressive returning position these days? Is that also reliant on his fitness and muscle. I think not.

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Post by legendkillar on Sat May 30, 2015 3:52 pm

Sock through. Just hope he hits freely in his next match and doesn't succumb between the ears.

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