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Post by ... on Fri May 08, 2015 9:00 pm

It's bella Italia, it's a bit of crazy and a bit of mamma mia...it's the land of Fiery Fabio and Corazon Francesca, it's where fans watch on Foro Italico without tickets...dangling their legs over stadium walls, where Saint Seppi once was a hero three days in a row,!
It's a city that loves Nole....it's Roma!!!!

And as we know all roads lead to it, everyone will be there, even Federer!

The draw is out:



Order of Play:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2015/416/op.pdf



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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Fri May 08, 2015 9:12 pm

I have just had a look at the draw...and
I CANNOT BELIEVE IT!!!!!!! Angry

Can they be any more blatant fixing Nadal with cakewalks....this has become disgusting

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Fri May 08, 2015 9:17 pm

Actually, not only does Nadal have a peanuts draw, his opponents ranked above him for RG are all in the same half/quarter...Nishi, Murray...

Does he have a chance making it to number 4 at all?
What does he need: a win in Madrid and a SF in Rome?

If I am absolutely livid about it, how must be the players then feeling about him...

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Fri May 08, 2015 11:08 pm

I said I did not believe Nadal's draws were systematically fixed but frankly I cannot agree more with you NITB.

Nadal once again has all the SHBH on his side (Federer, Stan, Dimi..) and the ones he has an extremely good record against (berdych and so on). But all teh DHBH who have recently caused Nadal trouble are on Djoko's side....including Djoko himself, Nishi, Murray, Ferrer but also Goffin, Cilic, Kygios. While Nadal has Mayer, Sousa or Galo!!!!!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by summerblues on Sat May 09, 2015 2:14 am

noleisthebest wrote:Can they be any more blatant fixing Nadal with cakewalks....this has become disgusting
Remember to get your draw predictions for RG in before the draw is made.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sat May 09, 2015 9:10 am

I will...but this is not about me being right...I gain zero pleasure from it - wish I were terribly wrong!

The point is to expose Nadal and his fake greatness.

Whether I add the prediction or not doesn't change the fact he has super easy draws with all the players he hates playing being far away from him.

I hope you can see at least that much.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by summerblues on Sat May 09, 2015 11:30 am

noleisthebest wrote:I will...but this is not about me being right...
But you have to be right first or else the rest makes no sense. Anyway, if you are right, we should be able to gather pretty strong circumstantial evidence over time. If you feel confident in predicting non-slam draws, you may also predict those - that way we could get to meaningful numbers faster.

noleisthebest wrote:The point is to expose Nadal and his fake greatness.
This is pretty clearly not your point.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by paulcz on Sat May 09, 2015 12:20 pm

summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:I will...but this is not about me being right...
But you have to be right first or else the rest makes no sense.  Anyway, if you are right, we should be able to gather pretty strong circumstantial evidence over time.  If you feel confident in predicting non-slam draws, you may also predict those - that way we could get to meaningful numbers faster.

noleisthebest wrote:The point is to expose Nadal and his fake greatness.
This is pretty clearly not your point
Everybody with open eyes must see what draws are given to Nadal currently, so it is up to fans to call it right names. It is clearly laughable  to fans but  to players in particular.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sat May 09, 2015 1:25 pm

Don't you think it's a bit strange SB that Nadal almost always end up with those SHBH shot makers on his side while those DHBH lung busting players are on the opposite draw? In fact you don't need to check it from now but look at the history!

I am not saying it is systematic but over his career, it has been really "weird" to say the list.
It started with Nalbandian while they were both number 2 and 3 and I had made the point then that it was the first time a number 2 and 3 never met in 2 years or so!!!!. Toni knew probably that Nalby woudl be a tougher opponent than Federer because of his DHBH....And he was right cause the first time they met it was a tennis lesson, in fact 2 in succession......and that only happened in 2007. by that Time Nadal and Federer ad played 13 times!!!!!

Please take past draws when doing your stats.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sat May 09, 2015 1:27 pm

Like it is a coincidence he almost always plays Madrid on Saturday PM and not at night.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sat May 09, 2015 1:50 pm

What I've noticed with the draws in Madrid and Rome, they are trying to give Nadl a big push to make the forth seeding in RG, or at least prevent him from dropping out of top 8.

Not only dod wy make his draw super easy, they have made Nole's draw terrible.

And not only Nole's but Murray's and Nishi's too.


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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sat May 09, 2015 1:56 pm

summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:The point is to expose Nadal and his fake greatness.
This is pretty clearly not your point.

"Ad hominem attack!"  Laugh

Come on SB...for a respectable, well-dressed looking woman to ask (read:yell out) Nadal in last year's RG final: "How's Dr Fuentes, Rafa?"

followed by:  "Hurry up Rafa!" TWICE  when he was taking time before serving...(after the last one I had the entire Chatrier do a collective Shhhh!  Blush )

I did it knowing they could kick me out. But he heard me and it was worth it!

do you know anyone else who'd do it or has done it?

I don't just talk the talk, I walk the walk Winking

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by summerblues on Sat May 09, 2015 2:10 pm

noleisthebest wrote:"Ad hominem attack!"  Laugh
LOL, Amri can be childish but I would say in an endearing way.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by summerblues on Sat May 09, 2015 2:19 pm

Tenez wrote:Please take past draws when doing your stats.
Looking at the past does not allow to make the same sort of statistical conclusion as predicting future. There is always the risk that one looks at the data with bias.

Anyway, if you guys are right, we should ultimately collect pretty strong evidence. NITB does not need to get it right every single time. As long as she can consistently do better than 50%, we can accumulate evidence over time.

If she gets 7 out of 10 right, that does not mean much. But if she - over time - gets 70 out 100, that is very strong.

Of course, if she ends up averaging about 50/100, that would weaken the claim significantly.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sat May 09, 2015 2:24 pm

summerblues wrote:
Tenez wrote:Please take past draws when doing your stats.
Looking at the past does not allow to make the same sort of statistical conclusion as predicting future.  There is always the risk that one looks at the data with bias.
Not to take past draws into account can make the study look as bias. Ignoring for instance the famous 08-11 draw study is as biased to me. I am pretty sure in fact that since this study, they have actually been a bit more careful....as it showed.


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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by paulcz on Sat May 09, 2015 2:30 pm

summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:"Ad hominem attack!"  Laugh
LOL, Amri can be childish but I would say in an endearing way.

I can tolerate / ignore some "childish" statements, but sort of this posting is absolutely dull.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sun May 10, 2015 10:09 am

Match of the Day:

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Lajovic-Coric

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sun May 10, 2015 11:37 am

Coric struggled more beating number 380 than Rublev beating nber 60.....though I know it does not mean much.

I would like Rublev to be exposed young and early to those kind of retrievers so he can sort them out and concentrate on the other shpt makers.

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Post by ... on Sun May 10, 2015 12:50 pm

Yes, Rublev is playing the local guy today (Fabbiano).

Coric and Zverev are grinders of the worst kind.

From what I've seen, Rublev will be able to handle them, he is full of the right kind of belief.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sun May 10, 2015 6:02 pm

Raonic out of Rome and quitr possibly RG die to foot surgery (pinched nerve).
http://www1.skysports.com/tennis/news/12110/9845010/milos-raonic-to-undergo-foot-surgery-and-is-major-doubt-for-french-open

Rublev, Coric, Zverev all failed to qualify for the main draw.
Pleased to see that Nobody-bagels-Dusan-Lajovic single-handedly trouncd Coric smiley

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sun May 10, 2015 6:11 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Raonic out of Rome and quitr possibly RG die to foot surgery (pinched nerve).
http://www1.skysports.com/tennis/news/12110/9845010/milos-raonic-to-undergo-foot-surgery-and-is-major-doubt-for-french-open

Such a shame he was really playing well on clay.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sun May 10, 2015 6:23 pm

Yes, and he will lose a lot of points from RG.

But I think his main focus this year is Wimbledon.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by summerblues on Sun May 10, 2015 7:59 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Yes, and he will lose a lot of points from RG.

But I think his main focus this year is Wimbledon.
Where he will also lose a lot of points from.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by DECIMA on Sun May 10, 2015 8:02 pm

noleisthebest wrote:But he heard me and it was worth it!
And he ended up winning the match too, clearly you're some sort of lucky charm for Nadal.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sun May 10, 2015 8:12 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:But he heard me and it was worth it!
And he ended up winning the match too, clearly you're some sort of lucky charm for Nadal.

You're so funny, Kimmy!

I don't believe in lucky charms, jinxing and any of that nonsense.
That's for fearful people.

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Post by DECIMA on Sun May 10, 2015 8:15 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:But he heard me and it was worth it!
And he ended up winning the match too, clearly you're some sort of lucky charm for Nadal.

You're so funny, Kimmy!

I don't believe in lucky charms,  jinxing and any of that nonsense.
That's for fearful people.
That's fine, ofc ofc.

Also another thing on an unrelated note, can you please and sit in the crowd for all of Nadal's crucial matches ? Cheers

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sun May 10, 2015 8:23 pm

Well I've got the ticket for QF on Lenglen this year...would be good to see Nadal lose there, but as he's going to be in Berdych's quarter, that looks a bit far-fetched now... Sad

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by DECIMA on Sun May 10, 2015 8:31 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Well I've got the ticket for QF on Lenglen this year...would be good to see Nadal lose there, but as he's going to be in Berdych's quarter, that looks a bit far-fetched now... Sad
He won't lose if your there NITB Thumbs Up

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sun May 10, 2015 8:35 pm

Laugh

You've really taken this loss badly, haven't you, Kimmy?

Don't worry, Rafito will be back....just don't know when Winking

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by DECIMA on Sun May 10, 2015 8:43 pm

noleisthebest wrote:

You've really taken this loss badly, haven't you, Kimmy?
Does it appear like that to you lol ?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sun May 10, 2015 8:47 pm

You mean you haven't taken it badly?
Now I'm really worried Laugh

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by DECIMA on Sun May 10, 2015 9:00 pm

noleisthebest wrote:You mean you haven't taken it badly?
Now I'm really worried Laugh
Well obviously I'm not happy at the result, but at this stage in his career the Masters aren't massive important for Nadal. Apart from the appalling final, this was his best week of the year so far, but his confidence won't be great heading into Rome.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by gallery play on Sun May 10, 2015 10:08 pm

Nadal has never played his best in Madrid. The altitude of Madrid (600 meters) makes it play like an indoor court. Had this final been played in Rome (sealevel) we would have seen a different match.
However, it is clear that Nadal does not have much confidence in his groundstrokes. He kinda expects to miss after a few shots.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sun May 10, 2015 10:13 pm

Hi GP - Good to read you.

I am not sure why Madrid never suit him but the altitude makes the ball bounce higher.....so it shoudl suit him. He still won it 4 times.....not bad considering it is on clay since 2008 or 9. They play with Dunlop fort there and this certainly makes the conds faster. That's probably why.

The FO will be with Babolat and having played with them recently it is a very different game as they are much slower.

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Post by gallery play on Sun May 10, 2015 10:31 pm

Tenez wrote:Hi GP - Good to read you.

I am not sure why Madrid never suit him but the altitude makes the ball bounce higher.....so it shoudl suit him. He still won it 4 times.....not bad considering it is on clay since 2008 or 9. They play with Dunlop fort there and this certainly makes the conds faster. That's probably why.

The FO will be with Babolat and having played with them recently it is a very different game as they are much slower.

Even Federer beat him in straight sets in Madrid.. Winking
It does have a high bounce but the thin air makes it easier to hit winners. Once the ball is hit real clean, Rafa's in trouble in Madrid. Despite his 4 wins, he never looked as impressive as fi in Rome or Monaco

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 10, 2015 10:34 pm

gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:Hi GP - Good to read you.

I am not sure why Madrid never suit him but the altitude makes the ball bounce higher.....so it shoudl suit him. He still won it 4 times.....not bad considering it is on clay since 2008 or 9. They play with Dunlop fort there and this certainly makes the conds faster. That's probably why.

The FO will be with Babolat and having played with them recently it is a very different game as they are much slower.

Even Federer beat him in straight sets in Madrid.. Winking
It does have a high bounce but the thin air makes it easier to hit winners. Once the ball is hit real clean, Rafa's in trouble in Madrid. Despite his 4 wins, he never looked as impressive as fi in Rome or Monaco
Yes though that was after a 4h match the day before v Djoko.....but I agree it is faster....the thin air more than the balls probably as the balls are the same in MC and Rome I believe.

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Post by gallery play on Sun May 10, 2015 10:38 pm

I admit though the main reason he lost wasn't the altitude, but his lack of confidence (and Murray to take advantage of it).
Mind you, Bo5 in Paris will give him comfort, he's not out of the picture there.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Mon May 11, 2015 8:31 am

Match of the Day:

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Mon May 11, 2015 6:25 pm

Mannarino out to Ilhan (convincingly). He must be the only Turkish player around.

I hope he shows some heart against Nadal.

Order of play out for tomorrow.

Match of the Day:

Djokovic-Almagro.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Mon May 11, 2015 6:52 pm

Ilhan has had some very good results recently. Still this result is surprising. I think he will do some damage.

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Post by ... on Mon May 11, 2015 10:05 pm

I don't understand why Madrid and Rome have to be back to back, can't they fit that 250 week (Istanbul etc) in between?

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Post by ... on Mon May 11, 2015 10:07 pm

Tenez wrote:Ilhan has had some very good results recently. Still this result is surprising. I think he will do some damage.
I haven't seen him play, but he's got a chance of a lifetime now for the world to get to know him!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Mon May 11, 2015 10:27 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I don't understand why Madrid and Rome have to be back to back, can't they fit that 250 week (Istanbul etc) in between?
Yes, they have Barca and Istanbul back to back doesn't make sense.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Mon May 11, 2015 10:35 pm

Murray now doesn't know whether he'll play Rome, he'll decide tomorrow (apparently he is already there).
He wants to play, but doesn't want to burn out for grass season.

So, if he doesn't play, who then takes his place in the draw?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by luvsports! on Mon May 11, 2015 11:01 pm

Fabrice Santoro!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Mon May 11, 2015 11:18 pm

Is that another one of your "soz" and "apaz" tricky words?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by luvsports! on Mon May 11, 2015 11:25 pm

Nope. He's the magician!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Mon May 11, 2015 11:51 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Is that another one of your "soz" and "apaz" tricky words?
Nope ze wizz!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Mon May 11, 2015 11:54 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Is that another one of your "soz" and "apaz" tricky words?
Nope ze wizz!

I give up! Laugh


Dzzzzz dZzz z d!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Tue May 12, 2015 12:50 pm

Feli Lopez is such a nice, smooth player currently giving young Kyrg a lesson that there is more to tennis than a booming serve, and more to attitude than pierced ears and weird haircut.

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