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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by DECIMA on Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:39 pm

Djokovic has gathered himself again, I'd say he's marginal favourite for the set.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:41 pm

The arrival of the sun is making the ball fly a bit faster and as a result Djoko is a bit more rushed and makes more UEs.


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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by luvsports! on Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:42 pm

DJoko's biggest opponent at times is the crowd!

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Post by ... on Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:45 pm

luvsports! wrote:DJoko's biggest opponent at times is the crowd!

Yes, and I think it's quite sad.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:53 pm

luvsports! wrote:DJoko's biggest opponent at times is the crowd!
It's not the crowd..it's his game!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by DECIMA on Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:56 pm

Sorry NITB, but I burst out laughing at the second double fault.

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Post by ... on Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:56 pm

What a TB...

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Post by Tenez on Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:57 pm

He has developed a game to win on slow court.....there is not much the crowd can get excited about, especially when facing an opponent with so much flair and talent.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by summerblues on Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:57 pm

What a massive massive choke from Nole. Fed put the pressure on him, but 3DFs???

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by luvsports! on Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:57 pm

[ltr]somebody call 911!
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[ltr]federer has got out of jail![/ltr]

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by truffin1 on Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:58 pm

GOAT FED!

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Post by truffin1 on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:01 pm

TRKim Jong-Un wrote:I always find it so funny when Djokovic collapses because of the crowd.
He must be the only player to get so negatively affected by the crowd.
The Comms said: "he knows the crowd is always going to get behind FEderer. He has to expect it and be ready to ignore it"

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by DECIMA on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:01 pm

truffin1 wrote:GOAT FED!
Fed did not play so well in that TB, compared to the end of the second set, he was poor on the two drive volleys and missed his first serve a few times.
However he kept his nerve at the end, while Djokovic collapsed.

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Post by ... on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:01 pm

Tenez wrote:He has developed a game to win on slow court.....there is not much the crowd can get excited about, especially when facing an opponent with so much flair and talent.
You mean he's not doomed any more? Whistle

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Post by DECIMA on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:02 pm

Careless game that

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Post by ... on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:04 pm

truffin1 wrote:
TRKim Jong-Un wrote:I always find it so funny when Djokovic collapses because of the crowd.
He must be the only player to get so negatively affected by the crowd.
The Comms said: "he knows the crowd is always going to get behind FEderer. He has to expect it and be ready to ignore it"
It's not Fed.
Even the French were against him when he played Nadal in the final of RG last year.
Depressing.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by DECIMA on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:06 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
truffin1 wrote:
TRKim Jong-Un wrote:I always find it so funny when Djokovic collapses because of the crowd.
He must be the only player to get so negatively affected by the crowd.
The Comms said: "he knows the crowd is always going to get behind FEderer. He has to expect it and be ready to ignore it"
It's not Fed.
Even the French were against him when he played Nadal in the final of RG last year.
Depressing.
He got so angry with the crowd, I remember that.
Playing well now though.

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Post by ... on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:14 pm

Tbh, I don't know why he's bothered about the crowd, I liked the way Lendl dealt with it, but then again they are so different.
Regardless, Nole should have developed thicker skin by now.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:16 pm

Match looking good atm, but still way too physical.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by DECIMA on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:17 pm

Break back !!

Federer has incredible stamina, in that game he was superior in the long rallies.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:19 pm

Fed now much more solid than at the beginning of the match.

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Post by ... on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:20 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Break back !!

Federer has incredible stamina, in that game he was superior in the long rallies.
Yes, stamina comes with age.
He'll be hurting badly tomorrow morning, though.
This match is brutal for a SBH-er.

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Post by ... on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:21 pm

I really have no idea who's going to win this!

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Post by DECIMA on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:29 pm

Federer getting better as the match goes on

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Post by DECIMA on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:31 pm

Double fault !
Where did that come form

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:31 pm

fed df's Sad out of nowhere as well. 40-15.

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Post by ... on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:32 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Double fault !
Where did that come form
Tiredness.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by Tenez on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:33 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:Break back !!

Federer has incredible stamina, in that game he was superior in the long rallies.
Yes, stamina comes with age.
He'll be hurting badly tomorrow morning, though.
This match is brutal for a SBH-er.
Stamina? he is nackered. He can't move anymore.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:33 pm

Shame to get broken from 40-15 up.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by DECIMA on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:38 pm

Djokovic deserved to win there, no doubt.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:40 pm

summerblues wrote:Shame to get broken from 40-15 up.

He was doomed from the beginning as I said.

The surface really tired Fed.

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Post by DECIMA on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:40 pm

Is Nadal seeded second for Miami ?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by summerblues on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:41 pm

Well done Nole. He was the better player for most of the match, really could have wrapped it up much quicker.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:42 pm

This final was a bit of an eye opener....as I really do not see how Fed will manage to win a slam if he can't last 3 sets now. Sure there is a day in between.....but it's best of 5 in slams.

My only hope is that the slow conds made the rallies longer that they woudl be on faster surfaces....It's time they speed things up....cause tennis from Djokovic is strangulating.

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Post by DECIMA on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:45 pm

Federer thanks Larry !!!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by truffin1 on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:48 pm

Too bad the end got away from Fed, but what a battle. This continues to be the best current matchup in the sport.  Few will understand how amazing it is for Federer to put up that type of fight in conditions that completely favor the in prime best player of this era of conditions Djokovic.

Great recovery from Djokovic though his "I'm dying and can't breathe act" is getting old.  He's clearly the best player while Fed is clearly second.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:54 pm

Wow even Robbie Koenig is calling for speeding up the courts and rewarding attacking play!!!

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Post by ... on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:56 pm

I love how Nole just took the trophy and lifted it! Applause

I can't believe the organisers weren't going to give it to him because it's heavy...to deprive a player of the greatest moment in a tournament, unbelievable Doh

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Post by Tenez on Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:58 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Wow even Robbie Koenig is calling for speeding up the courts and rewarding attacking play!!!
Well he would be the first one to.

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Post by ... on Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:07 am

I expected the match to play like this, I mean, it wasn't that hard.
It sad though to see Fed bust himself and still come short.
But I will repeat his serve let him down during the first half.
That cost him the first set and possibly the match.
He had some great stretches of play.

Nole was good, esp his BH. He truly rules slow hard courts, they  are made for his game.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:31 am

noleisthebest wrote:I expected the match to play like this, I mean, it wasn't that hard.
It sad though to see Fed bust himself and still come short.
But I will repeat his serve let him down during the first half.
That cost him the first set and possibly the match.
He had some great stretches of play.

Nole was good, esp his BH. He truly rules slow hard courts, they  are made for his game.
yep...what we said yesterday and from the beginning but I did not expect it to be so one sided. It reminded me of WTF last year....Djoko simply has too easy on those slow courts.


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Post by ... on Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:37 am

I thought of WTF, too. Same pattern.
Almost exclusive baseline tennis which only leads to exhaustion as it's hard to put the ball away.
Even when Fed and Stan were playing.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by truffin1 on Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:35 am

Kim Jong-Un wrote:
truffin1 wrote:GOAT FED!
Fed did not :play so well in that TB, compared to the end of the second set, he was poor on the two drive volleys and missed his first serve a few times.
However he kept his nerve at the end, while Djokovic collapsed.
I'm not sure how a badly played Tb that he won has anything to do with his GOAT status.  What we saw today is the eqivalent of Nadal at 33 taking on the in prime current #1 andtop 10 all time player on the indoor wtf surface, and stretching that in prime #1 to the limit. Of course, we all know nadal will be incapable of this while federer can compete on any surface with the #1 even if the conditions are stacked against him

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by DECIMA on Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:46 am

Truffin, I did not make that comment because I felt him not playing well in the TB means he's not the GOAT (there are other reasons for believing such a thing); but because you said that right after he won the TB and I thought you were referring to him winning that second set as 'GOAT-form'.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Indian Wells

Post by ... on Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:50 am

truffin1 wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:
truffin1 wrote:GOAT FED!
Fed did not :play so well in that TB, compared to the end of the second set, he was poor on the two drive volleys and missed his first serve a few times.
However he kept his nerve at the end, while Djokovic collapsed.
I'm not sure how a badly played Tb that he won has anything to do with his GOAT status.  What we saw today is the eqivalent of Nadal at 33 taking on the in prime current #1 andtop 10 all time player on the indoor wtf surface, and stretching that in prime #1 to the limit. Of course, we all know nadal will be incapable of this while federer can compete on any surface with the #1 even if the conditions are stacked against him

I can't even imagine Nadal play at 33, in fact, Fed is closer to 34 than 33 now.

A question for Nadal fan(s?) here:

When do you think he will retire?

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Post by DECIMA on Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:21 pm

Probably in 2015/2016 ?

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Post by DECIMA on Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:28 pm

Emancipator on 606v2:

All of the stuff Federer does now he could do just as well in his mid twenties - he just didn't have to. Federer was so good he didn't have to make any adjustments for anyone, bar Rafa on clay. He used to play his game knowing he'd win. Today, he needs to use everything in his arsenal just to compete with Novak. Do you think Fed would be making suicidal rushes to the net if he wasn't forced to? All of the adjustments that Fed had made have been forced upon him - none of them have been made by choice. It's to his credit that he has the variety to still be able to change things up.

Anyone who thinks Federer is a better player today than he was in 05-06 needs their head examined. I suggest you go back and watch some old videos. It used to be par for the course for Fed to hit stunning winners off both wings in every match in those days. As Wilander said about him at the time: 'He hits the most unbelievable shots in every match of the year' or Lendl: 'Federer hits shots that other players don't even think about'. Yeah, were really seeing that Federer now.

His FH had more pop; it was a point ender from anywhere on the court. Far superior to Novak's FH - yet today the opposite is almost true. His movement was sublime. Never rushed, never lunging, always looked like he had more time on his racquet. His movement today is a shadow of what it used to be. Hence we now longer see what used to be his signature shot - the inside out FH. Fed used to skip around his BH and crush the I/O FH for winners. That's virtually disappeared from his arsenal.

Fed had the best footwork ever seen on a tennis court. He was as fast as Rafa but without appearing so. Today you hit a ball with pace slightly to either side of him and he's lunging and playing that ridiculous sliced FH that he NEVER needed to play before. This is the biggest difference. As Fed himself said, the baseline game is all about movement. If you're not in perfect position to hit a shot you're gonna pay the price.

His BH had more pop too. Look at his matches from '06 and how many BH winners he used to hit. Now it's just a rallying shot. The bigger racquet has made the BH more stable than it was from 2011-13 but prior to that it was a better stroke overall.

If you listen to the crap the morons on Sky sports say, Fed has been getting better and better - yet his results have been getting worse. Losing to the likes of Seppi (really?), Robredo, Cilic at slams. This is the guy who never lost before the semi's at a slam for 6 years and never lost before the quarters for 9 years. Yeah he's definitely a better player than the guy who averaged 5-6 losses a year for four years.

And then of course there is the stamina issue. Fed is gassed after a couple of hours of hard rallying now. He used to be able to go five hours on clay (Rome 2006 anyone?).

The reason Fed is still competitive is really simple. He's the best player ever. Period. That means that even at 33 he's still a damn good player. But to suggest that he's as good as or even better than he used to be in his absolute peak is utter nonsense.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:08 pm

Do you agree? I like Emancipator....just a bit too much of a Fe fan. he speaks like Flemming speaks of Borg or McEnroe. He doesn't realise the game moves on.

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