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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:31 pm





GERMANY  v FRANCE Fraport Arena, Frankfurt, Germany

Day 1: 1400 hrs (1300 hrs GMT)
Day 2: 1300 hrs (1200 hrs GMT)
Day 3: 1300 hrs (1200 hrs GMT)
Surface: Hard (Rebound Ace Synpave (2008)), Indoor
Court Pace Rating: Medium fast
France: Simon, Monfils, Benneteau, Mahut
Germany: Kohlschreiber, Becker, Struff, Begemann


GREAT BRITAIN  v USA Emirates Arena, Glasgow, Great Britain

Start times:
Day 1: 1300 hrs (1300 hrs GMT)
Day 2: 1300 hrs (1300 hrs GMT)
Day 3: 1300 hrs (1300 hrs GMT)
Surface: Hard, Indoor
GB: Murray brothers, Ward, Inglot
USA: Isner, Young Brian Bros


CZECH REP.  v AUSTRALIA Cez Arena, Ostrava, Czech Republic

Day 1: 1530 hrs (1430 hrs GMT)
Day 2: 1330 hrs (1230 hrs GMT)
Day 3: 1330 hrs (1230 hrs GMT)
Surface: Hard (Novacrylic Ultracushion System), Indoor
Czech R: Rosol, Vesely, Pavlasek, Mertl
Australia: Tomic, Hewitt, Kokinakis, Groth


KAZAKHSTAN  v ITALY National Tennis Centre, Astana, Kazakhstan

Day 1: 1200 hrs (0600 GMT)
Day 2: 1400 hrs (0800 GMT)
Day 3: 1400 hrs (0800 GMT)
Surface: Hard (RuKortHard), Indoor
Court Pace Rating: Fast
Kazakhstan: Golubev, Kukushkin, Nedovesov, Popko
Italy: Fognini, Bolelli, Seppi, Lorenzi


ARGENTINA  v BRAZIL Tecnópolis, Buenos Aires, Argentina

Day 1: 1100 hrs (1400 hrs GMT)
Day 2: 1300 hrs (1600 hrs GMT)
Day 3: 1100 hrs (1400 hrs GMT)
Surface: Clay (Red Clay), Outdoor
Argentina: Berlocq, Delbonis, L. Mayer Schwarzman
Brazil: Souza, Bellucci, Melo, Soares


SERBIA  love  v CROATIA Kraljevo Sports Centre, Kraljevo, Serbia

Start times:
Day 1: 1300 hrs (1200 hrs GMT)
Day 2: 1400 hrs (1300 hrs GMT)
Day 3: 1300 hrs (1200 hrs GMT)
Surface: Hard (Acrylic), Indoor
Serbia: Djokovic, Troicki, Krajinovic, Zimonjic
Croatia: Coric,Delilc, Sugor, Draganja


CANADA  v JAPAN Doug Mitchell Thunderbird Sports Centre, Vancouver, Canada

Start times:
Day 1: 1400 hrs (2200 hrs GMT)
Day 2: 1300 hrs (2100 hrs GMT)
Day 3: 1300 hrs (2000 hrs GMT)
Surface: Hard (Premier), Indoor
Canada: Raonic, Pospisil, Dancevic, Nestor
Japan: Nishikori, Ito, Soeda Uchiyama


BELGIUM  v SWITZERLAND Country Hall du Sart Tilman, Liège, Belgium

Start times:
Day 1: 1400 hrs (1300 hrs GMT)
Day 2: 1400 hrs (1300 hrs GMT)
Day 3: 1330 hrs (1230 hrs GMT)
Surface: Hard (GreenSet Grand Prix), Indoor
Court Pace Rating: Medium fast
Belgium: Goffin, Darcis, Belmenmans, Desein
Switzerland: Marti, Bossel, Laakosnen, Lammar


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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Mar 05, 2015 12:34 pm

No Spain in the main draw, after so many years!

Some good matches, GB-USA in Glasgow could've been interesting had the referendum had a different outcome Winking

Look forward to seeing Daddy Nole vs Baby Nole.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:15 pm

I won't get too excited about it though I must the Coric v Djoko shoudl be interesting as I wanted to see it in fact and see whether Coric will do better than v Federer.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Mar 05, 2015 3:52 pm

Yes, that will be quite interesting. Daddy Nole's serving is significantly better, that should be enough for their first match.

Looks like DC 2015 is Serbia's to lose.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:31 am

Some good matches today:

Trocki-Coric
Monfils-Kohlschreiber
Murray-Young
Vesely-Tomic

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:03 am

you right.....I'll try to look at them.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:16 am

Best thing - all matches are played in European time zone!

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 10:07 am

Golubev-Seppi already playing, Golubev...well, not one of his days.
He has great basic groundstrokes, but his FH is so fragile, even gentle Seppi can put pressure on it.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:30 pm

Coric playing from 5m behind the baseline and...winning!
He's really cracked current conditions to a tee: fit, fast, safe and consistent.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:34 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Coric playing from 5m behind the baseline and...winning!
He's really cracked current conditions to a tee: fit, fast, safe and consistent.
I actually just logged in to say the same.....but Djoko taking the ball earlier is going to kill him.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:42 pm

Yes...but will still be interesting to watch: a 2015 against his 2007 version.
It's as close as we'll get to see his improvement, I suppose.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:44 pm

A clear steroid user this Coric.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:55 pm

Troicki not surprisingly cracked under pressure....This Coric is going top be tough to beat in a year or so.

He is taller than 6'1" ..I am pretty sure.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 2:57 pm

Tenez wrote:A clear steroid user this Coric.
Yes, Nole was a stick compared to him at 18.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:09 pm

Coric cannot pull a FH winner!

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:17 pm

I would not beat surprised if Coric were to beat Nadal on clay this year. He has the perfect game to counter Nadal.

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:34 pm

Fognini beat him, it doesn't take much to beat Nadal nowadays anyway. 
Djokovic will crush Coric if they plays in a few days.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:48 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Fognini beat him, it doesn't take much to beat Nadal nowadays anyway. 
Djokovic will crush Coric if they plays in a few days.

If you want to be taken seriously, you need to be serious.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 3:49 pm

Tenez wrote:I would not beat surprised if Coric were to beat Nadal on clay this year. He has the perfect game to counter Nadal.
It's just a matter of time, i.e. stamina.

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:17 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:Fognini beat him, it doesn't take much to beat Nadal nowadays anyway. 
Djokovic will crush Coric if they plays in a few days.

If you want to be taken seriously, you need to be serious.
Obviously you have to take what I'm saying in context, I'm saying that it doesn't take much for a top player, of course most players in the top 100 would struggle to beat Nadal still even now.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:39 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:I would not beat surprised if Coric were to beat Nadal on clay this year. He has the perfect game to counter Nadal.
It's just a matter of time, i.e. stamina.
Coric shortening points now.
Is he saving himself for the 5th set or is his tank empty?

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 4:41 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:Fognini beat him, it doesn't take much to beat Nadal nowadays anyway. 
Djokovic will crush Coric if they plays in a few days.

If you want to be taken seriously, you need to be serious.
Obviously you have to take what I'm saying in context, I'm saying that it doesn't take much for a top player, of course most players in the top 100 would struggle to beat Nadal still even now.
Until Nadal loses in RG, I'll take him as the man to beat on clay.
I'm pretty sure he must be bookies' favourite, as well.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:03 pm

I logged on again and what do I see Coric missing an attacking FH. He will realise soon enough that this kind of game is very taxing.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:36 pm

Heroic battle going on between Simon and Struff, 8:8 in the 5th!
Had a peek at Berankis-Kubot, they played one game for half an hour!

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:37 pm

Big battle going between Struff and Simon, 8:8 in the 5th!

Had a peek at Berankis-Kubot, they played one game for half an hour!!!

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 5:37 pm

Big battle going between Struff and Simon, 8:8 in the 5th!

Had a peek at Berankis-Kubot, they played one game for half an hour!!!

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:44 pm

Coric Laugh

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:46 pm

John Isner is one of the most boring players I've ever seen. It's probably not even that hard to execute his serve (which is the only thing which keeps him afloat against most top 50 players...) considering he's so tall.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:14 pm

If it was easy, he would've won a lot more I think.
Height surely helps a lot, but it's far from everything.

Many tall players have average serve (for their height) eg Delpo.

Main thing is the timing, Serena has a great serve, Fed, Mannarino (you can barely hear the contact with the ball) Dolgo can also generate insane speed for his height.

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:17 pm

Timing is important, but the margins become much easier the taller you are.
I can't even remember if it was Isner or Querrey, but I'm aware one of the biggest American players only took up tennis in college years. 
Nice easy way to make a career, at 6'8 just serve down bombs, don't even bother improving a pathetic return game or groundstrokes... and hope you edge out enough tiebreaks.

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Post by luvsports! on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:04 pm

Still made top 10 and beat Djoko twice and Feds before.

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Post by sphairistike on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:08 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Timing is important, but the margins become much easier the taller you are.
I can't even remember if it was Isner or Querrey, but I'm aware one of the biggest American players only took up tennis in college years. 
Nice easy way to make a career, at 6'8 just serve down bombs, don't even bother improving a pathetic return game or groundstrokes... and hope you edge out enough tiebreaks.
You like being defamatory an outrageous in your comments, don't you? Do you even know what you are talking about? First, just for the record, they did not pick up tennis in college, it's just that they were playing in college. IIRC Isner had the choice between basket ball and tennis as a kid and chose tennis but went to college and turned pro rather late. Querry on the other hand turned pro at 19, which is not that late and he had turned down a scholarship for that... Now, on the more relevant subject, even though Isner's return game might not be his forte, you cannot seriously say it is pathetic when the guy had manged to get to #9 in the world at a time dominated by baseline rallying etc. and get to the final of two masters 1000 only to lose to Federer and Nadal, without being able to return and rally a bit? You might find the guy boring to watch, this is fine, but his groundstokes can be pretty good as someone who has watched some tennis should know... The Indian Wells he got to the final and Shanghai the previous year have good examples of matches where he played well, even groundstokes wise...

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:11 pm

Big drama in Scotland!

Wardy impressively composed. The match reminds me of Isner-Mahut classic.

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:14 pm

I can't remember which American player it was, but I do remember one taking up tennis seriously very very late. 
Regardless, it does not make much different in my opinion of either Querrey or Isner.

There was a time where Isner's groundstrokes were a bit better (and with his ridiculous serve that would obviously make him very tough to beat, and most sets would come down to a few points in a tiebreak), but in the last year or so he's been so poor from the baseline it's beyond embarrassing.

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Post by luvsports! on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:15 pm

Ward has had a few davis cup, 5 set classics.
Donskoy, Tursunov, Querrey.

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:16 pm

Ward is not even that great from the baseline, and his movement is not his strong point, but every time Isner has to hit more than 2 groundstrokes in a rally he looks like a deer in the headlights. 
I've been impressed with Ward's backhand today, it's been accurate, and a lot better than he normally hits it.

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Post by luvsports! on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:18 pm

His bh is by far his best shot.

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:19 pm

luvsports! wrote:His bh is by far his best shot.
It really is, very solid.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:21 pm

luvsports! wrote:Ward has had a few davis cup, 5 set classics.
Donskoy, Tursunov, Querrey.

Didn't he play a really good one against the Italians last year?

Anyway, 5 MPs gone...so close yet so far as they were all on Isner's serve.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:22 pm

Btw, what's happened to Dan Evans?

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Post by luvsports! on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:23 pm

Plummeted down the rankings Sad

Last year Ward won a set off Fognini in DC.

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:46 pm

WARDYYYYYYY

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:48 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:WARDYYYYYYY
diva

Wasn't he super cool in that 5th set!

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:50 pm

luvsports! wrote:Plummeted down the rankings Sad

Last year Ward won a set off Fognini in DC.

That's a shame, I really enjoyed his run a few USOs ago, amazing how players disappear like that.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:58 pm

Vesely has so much easy power, could be dangerous on clay.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:38 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:Timing is important, but the margins become much easier the taller you are.
I can't even remember if it was Isner or Querrey, but I'm aware one of the biggest American players only took up tennis in college years. 
Nice easy way to make a career, at 6'8 just serve down bombs, don't even bother improving a pathetic return game or groundstrokes... and hope you edge out enough tiebreaks.
Kim...once again, you have no clue. being 6ft8 is a handicap...not an advantage!

It helps for the serve but in today's era where anything can be retrieved, it's a proper handicap as moving a 6'6" frame is terrible. Those guys are trying to win with short points.....not only FHs but volleys and FHs....unlike Nadal and Coric who only rely on big lungs.

Between natural big legs and unnatural big lungs I have chosen my side.

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Post by DECIMA on Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:16 pm

It's a handicap for rallying and on return games, but certainly not for serve. 
God forbid we move to technology/surfaces where someone like Isner can serve their way to Grand Slam victories.

edit: Btw in my comment to NITB, I was specifically referring to serve (saying how margins are easier if you're taller), not shots in general

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:13 am

Kim Jong-Un wrote:It's a handicap for rallying and on return games, but certainly not for serve. 
God forbid we move to technology/surfaces where someone like Isner can serve their way to Grand Slam victories.

edit: Btw in my comment to NITB, I was specifically referring to serve (saying how margins are easier if you're taller), not shots in general

Serving is not as easy as some make it look, despite their height. I agree it may be boring to watch, but it's much more exciting to play short rallies than long ones. That's the heart of tennis.

What's your view on this, T?

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:34 am

The "beauty" of winning and losing (after Ward's 5 hour, 5 set victory):

Isner: "'It's brutal, I'm barely going to sleep tonight. It's awful. Mentally, I'm certainly a bit shaken.''

Murray:''Time to remove every item of clothing and run through the streets of Glasgow. Absolute farce from James Ward.''

I take it that was a bet....

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Re: Davis Cup 2015: Round One

Post by Tenez on Sat Mar 07, 2015 8:50 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:It's a handicap for rallying and on return games, but certainly not for serve. 
God forbid we move to technology/surfaces where someone like Isner can serve their way to Grand Slam victories.

edit: Btw in my comment to NITB, I was specifically referring to serve (saying how margins are easier if you're taller), not shots in general

Serving is not as easy as some make it look, despite their height. I agree it may be boring to watch, but it's much more exciting to play short rallies than long ones. That's the heart of tennis.

What's your view on this, T?

You might not like my answer. Like everything I guess it is a question of balance. Going to extremes, I preferred the Sving era than the lung busting one...for one reason: It simply involved less physicality, less doping but more skills. For me both can be boring if pushed to the extreme, but one is simply healthier. In the 90s there were huge servers as well....but those who were just that got found out by the business of tournaments.

Just looking at the Dubai or Shangai final....the difference in skills and talent is simply huge between Federer and Djoko...yet their matches are very close...and that to me shows something quite unfair.

Just look at the serving between those 2. With Hawk Eye it was very obvious that Federer could generate much better place serves than Djoko. Without using force, just timing and skills, Fed managed to find his way out of trouble.

If both were playing with natural gut, the difference is skills would show much more.

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