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Post by Tenez on Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:46 pm

Forget about it you 2, Rao is going to win Rotterdam.

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Post by BEL19VE on Sat Feb 14, 2015 6:50 pm

I'm hoping for Berdych winning, but I think Stan will win Rotterdam.

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Post by luvsports! on Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:07 pm

Atm possibly Kim.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:07 pm

Rao will.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Feb 14, 2015 7:27 pm

well maybe not

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Feb 14, 2015 8:25 pm

Stan Da Man will win Rotterdam.

We had three chokers in the SFs today, and of the three, Stan is the last behind Raonic and Berdych.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:27 pm

Yes I hoping he will win now. Shame Rao did lose again though I prefer Stan, Rao has more potential.

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Post by summerblues on Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:59 pm

Same old faces making finals. Dimi going nowhere, and Berdych and Stan in the final. I like Stan, but how much longer before we start seeing new players breaking through?

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Post by summerblues on Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:09 pm

I hope that Stan wins tomorrow. Berdych is more boring than Nole.

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Post by BEL19VE on Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:17 pm

summerblues wrote:I hope that Stan wins tomorrow.  Berdych is more boring than Nole.
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Post by BEL19VE on Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:22 pm

luvsports! wrote:Atm possibly Kim.
It's on then.
Vamos Tomas

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Post by BEL19VE on Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:24 pm

What is Vamos/Come on in Czech ?

Figuring out how to most annoy LS just after Berdych has handed Stan a crushing in tomorrow's final.

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Post by luvsports! on Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:28 pm

10-5 here we come smiley

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Post by BEL19VE on Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:32 pm

After Berdych took his cap off he's a new man, anyway unless we're talking about Fedal H2H is irrelevant ATP 500/250: Rotterdam, Sao Paolo, Memphis - Page 2 2231271509

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Post by BEL19VE on Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:33 pm

Also if we can forget about the last 5 matches the H2H is 5-5 #clutchingatstraws

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:34 pm

Tenez wrote:Yes I hoping he will win now. Shame Rao did lose again though I prefer Stan, Rao has more potential.

You have been saying that for a long time, and I can see where you may be coming from...big serve, tons of power on the FH.
To me, that's enough to make him a very difficult opponent and keep him in top 10.

For a player with a big serve and big FH game to start winning slams, he needs to be loose and relaxed which he definitely is not.
He is a tightly wound up coil inside and will crack as soon as he sees perceived pressure.

Also, his BH is quite average.

But his biggest weakness os that inner tightness. Probably because he relies on the serve too much.

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Post by luvsports! on Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:35 pm

Not the fedal head to head!

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Post by summerblues on Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:37 pm

Rao's biggest weakness is his size and relatively poor movement. Not much he can really do about those. But I agree with you that a decent top 10 player is the best I can see him do.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:38 pm

Kim Jong-Un wrote:After Berdych took his cap off he's a new man, anyway unless we're talking about Fedal H2H is irrelevant ATP 500/250: Rotterdam, Sao Paolo, Memphis - Page 2 2231271509

How is he a new man?

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Post by BEL19VE on Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:41 pm

summerblues wrote:Rao's biggest weakness is his size and relatively poor movement.  Not much he can really do about those.  But I agree with you that a decent top 10 player is the best I can see him do.
Poor movement, and he just doesn't have the groundstrokes to sustain the attacking play like Del Potro or Cilic could.

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Post by BEL19VE on Sat Feb 14, 2015 11:42 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:After Berdych took his cap off he's a new man, anyway unless we're talking about Fedal H2H is irrelevant ATP 500/250: Rotterdam, Sao Paolo, Memphis - Page 2 2231271509

How is he a new man?
He's not really, just trash talking on behalf of Berdych just before he's going to play Stan is proving particularly difficult considering he's lost his last 5 matches against him.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:37 am

It will be an interesting match, for sure.

From what I saw of Berd this week, he plays the same as always, even safer in fact.

Naturally, he is more confident indoors, but I feel Stan's FH is going to make the difference.
He has been playing really loose this year and I like it.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:47 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:Yes I hoping he will win now. Shame Rao did lose again though I prefer Stan, Rao has more potential.

You have been saying that for a long time, and I can see where you may be coming from...big serve, tons of power on the FH.
To me, that's enough to make him a very difficult opponent and keep him in top 10.

For a player with a big serve and big FH game to start winning slams, he needs to be loose and relaxed which he definitely is not.
He is a tightly wound up coil inside and will crack as soon as he sees perceived pressure.

Also, his BH is quite average.

But his biggest weakness os that inner tightness. Probably because he relies on the serve too much.
You right about the tightly wound up coil inside...but those can break free...if he works hard on his BH for instance and discover his own confidence. That will happen when his hair cut get loose too.

Stan at his age was in the mid 20s. Even though he lost yesterdsay.....it was pretty close and his returns are much more aggressive nowadays.


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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:49 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:Yes I hoping he will win now. Shame Rao did lose again though I prefer Stan, Rao has more potential.

You have been saying that for a long time, and I can see where you may be coming from...big serve, tons of power on the FH.
To me, that's enough to make him a very difficult opponent and keep him in top 10.

For a player with a big serve and big FH game to start winning slams, he needs to be loose and relaxed which he definitely is not.
He is a tightly wound up coil inside and will crack as soon as he sees perceived pressure.

Also, his BH is quite average.

But his biggest weakness os that inner tightness. Probably because he relies on the serve too much.
You right about the tightly wound up coil inside...but those can break free...if he works hard on his BH for instance and discover his own confidence. That will happen when his hair cut get loose too.

Stan at his age was in the mid 20s. Even though he lost yesterdsay.....it was pretty close and his returns are much more aggressive nowadays.


Very true.
A breakthrough win could make all the difference in his case even with current BH.

Yes, that hair... Winking


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Post by Tenez on Sun Feb 15, 2015 9:50 am

summerblues wrote:Rao's biggest weakness is his size and relatively poor movement.  Not much he can really do about those.  But I agree with you that a decent top 10 player is the best I can see him do.

He won't need better mouvement if his BH improves. His eye/hand coord will improve so will his timing and anticipation. That will boost his confidence quite a bit.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:35 am

Sampras on Fed, Dimi and S&V:

"Roger moves the way I did, Doh and Grigor Dimitrov has a good, all-round court game. Both stay back more than I did. I was a natural serve-and-volleyer. Those guys are pretty much extinct today."

Wow, isn't he in love with himself..
And doesn't it cross his mind where he'd be in current era...no way he'd survive with the SBH..and no wonder Agassi can't help himself winding him up.

on Raonic:

"He is knocking on the door to win a major.
He’s getting close.He has the monster serve, he’s very competitive and he moves well for a big man. If he has a fault, it’s trying to go for the big shot, when it’s not there. He needs to find his rhythm out there, when he’s not hitting the ball great, knowing how to throttle it back a touch. That should come with more experience."


...yes, and that's because he is so tight inside.
Having said that he's beginning to show a bit more variety, which is good.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:38 pm

GO STAN!!! diva

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Post by BEL19VE on Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:42 pm

JEDEMMMM TOMASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:43 pm

CHUM JETZE STAN THE MAN!

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Post by BEL19VE on Sun Feb 15, 2015 2:49 pm

Huge hitting to hold from 15-30.

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Post by BEL19VE on Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:06 pm

Berdych absolutely lacing every shot here.

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Post by BEL19VE on Sun Feb 15, 2015 3:07 pm

Come on ! Great play from Tomas

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:02 pm

1 set all! Another 3 setter between these two. ALLEZ STANNNNNNN!

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Post by BEL19VE on Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:10 pm

so typical ffs

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:21 pm

Big Grin 4-1

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:27 pm

Berdych breaks straight back. Still with the break Stan but this isn't over yet.

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Feb 15, 2015 4:43 pm

Championay championay olay olay olay!

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Eurgh

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Post by Tenez on Sun Feb 15, 2015 6:56 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Sampras on Fed, Dimi and S&V:

"Roger moves the way I did, Doh and Grigor Dimitrov has a good, all-round court game. Both stay back more than I did. I was a natural serve-and-volleyer. Those guys are pretty much extinct today."

Wow, isn't he in love with himself..
And doesn't it cross his mind where he'd be in current era...no way he'd survive with the SBH..and no wonder Agassi can't help himself winding him up.
So true. True also that he would not have done better than llodra in those surfaces against those current players. 14 slams but 0 on clay. Yet at his time players were not using the new strings....In fact he was losing to new strings kuerten on hard already in 2000 so imagine on clay! I guess he knows that but he can't help bigging himself up. He was known to have a huge ego on tour and I don;t think he is any different now. If anything he is probably trying to compensate.

on Raonic:

"He is knocking on the door to win a major.
He’s getting close.He has the monster serve, he’s very competitive and he moves well for a big man. If he has a fault, it’s trying to go for the big shot, when it’s not there. He needs to find his rhythm out there, when he’s not hitting the ball great, knowing how to throttle it back a touch. That should come with more experience."


...yes, and that's because he is so tight inside.
Having said that he's beginning to show a bit more variety, which is good.
Actually on this I think he is right...from what I saw yesterday.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Feb 15, 2015 7:02 pm

Will Stan overtake Berds in the ranking tomorrow? I think so but not sure.

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Feb 15, 2015 7:59 pm

http://live-tennis.eu/

Level but just behind it seems. If he does well at Marseille he can sneak ahead.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:09 pm

luvsports! wrote:http://live-tennis.eu/

Level but just behind it seems. If he does well at Marseille he can sneak ahead.
Bizarre. Not sure how it works. He has 2 500s at 0pts....not sure why this one is not replacing of them!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:31 pm

Last week we had 3/3 SBH winners, this week it's 2/3 - Stan & Cuevas. Not bad at all Bubbly

Just saw Nishi beat Big Kev...his ball-striking is a pleasure to watch, so light and fast.

Here's a question:
Who's going to win a slam first Nishi or Raonic?


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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:35 am

Looks like Stan did overtake Berd in the ranking!

1 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 13,045 0 18
2 Federer, Roger (SUI) 9,205 0 19
3 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 5,745 0 19
4 Murray, Andy (GBR) 5,460 0 21
5 Nishikori, Kei (JPN) 5,205 0 21
6 Raonic, Milos (CAN) 4,980 0 23
7 Wawrinka, Stan (SUI) 4,550 1 20
8 Berdych, Tomas (CZE) 4,460 -1 24
9 Ferrer, David (ESP) 3,865 0 24
10 Cilic, Marin (CRO) 3,690 0 21

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Post by Tenez on Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:54 am

So this is what I thought. Stan overtakes Berdych...and deservedly so. Quite interesting to see that both trail behind Raonic.

between Rao and Nishi I am not sure cause Nishi is also a serious chocker. Nishi is older I believe so shoudl be in better position, especially since his mouvement and BH are clearly better than Rao.

I'll go for Rao....just.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:28 am

Yes, Nishi is a big choker.

Interesting how so many players are. Tough to suppress emotions.
Experience can help (Stan) but some remain the same all their career (Berd).

Nishi is more of a character choker, doesn't seem to have the corazon for fighting, with Raonic it's the lack of winning confidence.

Plus, there is huge pressure of expectations on both...the longer they fail to deliver, the worse it will get - Dimi is the case in point.

Will be interesting to see how they deal with it.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:05 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Here's a question:
Who's going to win a slam first Nishi or Raonic?

Raonic won't win a Slam.. By the time Fed/Nadal/Djokovic are done, he would have missed the bus. Or others would have gone ahead of him. Unless something happens like the US open 2014.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:05 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Yes, Nishi is a big choker.

Interesting how so many players are.
Easy...All those who go for their shots!

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Feb 16, 2015 1:11 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Yes, Nishi is a big choker.

Interesting how so many players are.
Easy...All those who go for their shots!

Fed doesn't choke!

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Post by Tenez on Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:16 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Yes, Nishi is a big choker.

Interesting how so many players are.
Easy...All those who go for their shots!

Fed doesn't choke!
That's however the impression he gave when facing nadal. Missing 10BPs in his first set at the FO 07 can certainly be seen as choking. messing up all those BPs and SP v Nadal woudl confirm that as well.

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