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Post by summerblues on Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:36 am

Kim Jong-Un wrote:This will be straight sets you feel.
Stan can still wake up and cause some damage.  But at his current level of play, yes, Nole will likely not drop a set against Stan playing like this.

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Post by BEL19VE on Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:39 am

There hasn't really been great quality games this week, the court has been too fast for that really

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:39 am

Watching Becker is more interesting than the match atm...
I hope he does not play poker, his face is so transparent and expressive!

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:40 am

Kim Jong-Un wrote:There hasn't really been great quality games this week, the court has been too fast for that really

Kimmy, you need to watch some Youtube clips from the 80s and 90s to see what fast was. This is very slow.
Not even these powerful racquets can make it look fast.

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Post by BEL19VE on Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:41 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Kim Jong-Un wrote:There hasn't really been great quality games this week, the court has been too fast for that really

Kimmy, you need to watch some Youtube clips from the 80s and 90s to see what fast was. This is very slow.
Not even these powerful racquets can make it look fast.
I have; and I find that even more boring.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:42 am

I think Stan's starting to look animated!

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Post by BEL19VE on Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:47 am

Hah !

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Post by summerblues on Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:48 am

Stan's BH is perhaps the only SHBH that can hold its own in BH-to-BH rallies against good DHers.

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Post by BEL19VE on Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:48 am

Stan really not playing well still, Djokovic is solid but not at his best

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Post by BEL19VE on Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:49 am

summerblues wrote:Stan's BH is perhaps the only SHBH that can hold its own in BH-to-BH rallies against good DHers.
It does still break down more often than the best DHBHs, but on the other hand it can also create a lot more pace.

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Post by summerblues on Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:53 am

Good hold. Just please do not give up the break this set.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:54 am

Nole too passive in the 2nd set.

Could've easily earnt a BP had he gone for that BH, instead he played a percentage shot, Stan got to it and pulled the trigger, good on him!

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:56 am

summerblues wrote:Stan's BH is perhaps the only SHBH that can hold its own in BH-to-BH rallies against good DHers.

Disagree there.
Fed's BH is much stronger and consistent, one look at his H2H against No,e and Murray confirms that.

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Post by summerblues on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:00 am

Cool. Hopefully this will calm Stan down.

Also good thing that the match has not been very draining so far, not many grueling rallies.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:00 am

1 set all.
Let the match begin!

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Post by BEL19VE on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:01 am

summerblues wrote:Cool.  Hopefully this will calm Stan down.

Also good thing that the match has not been very draining so far, not many grueling rallies.
The rallies were a lot more fun last year.

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Post by summerblues on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:01 am

noleisthebest wrote:Disagree there.
Fed's BH is much stronger and consistent, one look at his H2H against No,e and Murray confirms that.
His H2H against Nole and Murray is in spite of, not because of his BH.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:02 am

summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Disagree there.
Fed's BH is much stronger and consistent, one look at his H2H against No,e and Murray confirms that.
His H2H against Nole and Murray is in spite of, not because of his BH.

And how did he achieve it against two best defenders in these slow conditions if his BH isn't top notch?
They target it non-stop.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:07 am

Nole is too an emotional a player, that's his Achilles heel.

He needs someone in the box or crowd to draw encouragement from. Boris is too cold for him.
His bros do a really good job...

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Post by BEL19VE on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:11 am

All recent number 1 players are not much loved by the crowd apart from Federer and Nadal.

^Good stuff from Eurosport commentary

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Post by BEL19VE on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:11 am

That was a huge game, Stan definitely should have broken.

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Post by summerblues on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:12 am

noleisthebest wrote:And how did he achieve it against two best defenders in these slow conditions if his BH isn't top notch?
They target it non-stop.
Fed's BH is more versatile. Also, he is a better mover and can run around it more successfully. As a result, he can often get himself out of a BH-to-BH rally.

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Post by summerblues on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:15 am

Not a good start to this set. First he fails to break and now gets broken himself.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:17 am

noleisthebest wrote:
summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:The commentator saying Stan's git the best SBH.... Australian Open 2015: Matches of the day: Day 12 30-Jan-2015 - Page 2 2355573927
He does have a great SHBH.

It is a fantastic BH but not the best. There is more to a BH than topspin and angles.
Stan's BH is perfect for his game, the powerful striking compensates for the lack of foot-speed, he has a brilliant technique on it.

Its forged in steel, its can't be broken down by relentless plugging in more and more balls. Something Fed's BH just can't cope with.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:27 am

summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:And how did he achieve it against two best defenders in these slow conditions if his BH isn't top notch?
They target it non-stop.
Fed's BH is more versatile.  Also, he is a better mover and can run around it more successfully.  As a result, he can often get himself out of a BH-to-BH rally.
Essentially, Fed is a lot more talented, that's where his variation comes from: volleying with it, half-volleying from the base-line, fantastic slice both offensive and defensive...he also hits the ball quicker which requires perfect timing.

Stan's BH benefits from his very strong upper body more than timing.

Don't get me wrong I love all SBH-ers in, my eyes they are all superior players to DBH-ers, regardless of the fact that there are some superbely talented players among the DBH-ers e.g. Nishi.

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Post by summerblues on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:30 am

Oh yes!

At 0-3 and BP down I was mentally writing this set off. Just like that, we are back.

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Post by summerblues on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:32 am

noleisthebest wrote:volleying with it, half-volleying from the base-line, fantastic slice both offensive and defensive...he also hits the ball quicker which requires perfect timing.

Stan's BH benefits from his very strong upper body more than timing.
I agree with all that. I would even grant you that if conditions were more like in the 80s, Fed's BH would be superior to Stan's. But not in today's conditions.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:35 am

noleisthebest wrote:
summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:And how did he achieve it against two best defenders in these slow conditions if his BH isn't top notch?
They target it non-stop.
Fed's BH is more versatile.  Also, he is a better mover and can run around it more successfully.  As a result, he can often get himself out of a BH-to-BH rally.
Essentially, Fed is a lot more talented, that's where his variation comes from: volleying with it, half-volleying from the base-line, fantastic slice both offensive and defensive...he also hits the ball quicker which requires perfect timing.

Stan's BH benefits from his very strong upper body more than timing.

Don't get me wrong I love all SBH-ers in, my eyes they are all superior players to DBH-ers,   regardless of the fact that there are some superbely talented players among the DBH-ers e.g. Nishi.

They all, those variations etc... sum up to nothing when playing Nadal who breaks FH's BH into pieces. Fed can't hit DTL with enough sting and will often give an error. Stan can do a lot more with the BH against any player.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:37 am

Stan's BH benefits from his very strong upper body more than timing.

How does it matter. Be it timing or body strength. What counts is what the BH can do in a match.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:38 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:They all, those variations etc... sum up to nothing when playing Nadal who breaks FH's BH into pieces. Fed can't hit DTL with enough sting and will often give an error. Stan can do a lot more with the BH against any player.
As far as I know Stan's BH was broken down many more times by Nadal than Federer's.

And I woudl like to see an encounter between those 2 now that Fed is playing with a bigger frame.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:42 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Stan's BH benefits from his very strong upper body more than timing.

How does it matter. Be it timing or body strength. What counts is what the BH can do in a match.

If I remember rotla, you play tennis. Single or double BH?

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:48 am

No,e seems to struggle on his FH with Stan's pace, even when he's on the shot.
Not sure why, but he needs to adjust stg there.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:49 am

At last some gutsy tennis that earns him the set point!

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:50 am

Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:They all, those variations etc... sum up to nothing when playing Nadal who breaks FH's BH into pieces. Fed can't hit DTL with enough sting and will often give an error. Stan can do a lot more with the BH against any player.
As far as I know Stan's BH was broken down many more times by Nadal than Federer's.

And I woudl like to see an encounter between those 2 now that Fed is playing with a bigger frame.
We saw it.. at MC final and the WTF semis.

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Post by summerblues on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:50 am

Oh dear. Broken from 40-15 up.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:51 am

Kim Jong-Un wrote:All recent number 1 players are not much loved by the crowd apart from Federer and Nadal.

^Good stuff from Eurosport commentary

Seriously Kimmy, if you have Eurosport player, watch with the stream which has no commentary.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:52 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:They all, those variations etc... sum up to nothing when playing Nadal who breaks FH's BH into pieces. Fed can't hit DTL with enough sting and will often give an error. Stan can do a lot more with the BH against any player.
As far as I know Stan's BH was broken down many more times by Nadal than Federer's.

And I woudl like to see an encounter between those 2 now that Fed is playing with a bigger frame.
We saw it.. at MC final and the WTF semis.
I think T meant Nadal-Federer.
Last year's AO shouldn't count as Fed was still not used to it properly.


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Post by summerblues on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:53 am

Kim Jong-Un wrote:All recent number 1 players are not much loved by the crowd apart from Federer and Nadal.

^Good stuff from Eurosport commentary
Well, it is a correct statement smiley

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:53 am

noleisthebest wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Stan's BH benefits from his very strong upper body more than timing.

How does it matter. Be it timing or body strength. What counts is what the BH can do in a match.

If I remember rotla, you play tennis. Single or double BH?

smiley Only table tennis possible ma'm now. I was playing when I worked in HP and they had tennis courts.

My SHBH is more natural shot but I often have put the other hand for strength. I'm a tad better than a beginner in tennis, my BH doesn't even count.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:55 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:They all, those variations etc... sum up to nothing when playing Nadal who breaks FH's BH into pieces. Fed can't hit DTL with enough sting and will often give an error. Stan can do a lot more with the BH against any player.
As far as I know Stan's BH was broken down many more times by Nadal than Federer's.

And I woudl like to see an encounter between those 2 now that Fed is playing with a bigger frame.
We saw it.. at MC final and the WTF semis.
I was taking about Fed v Nadal.....

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:56 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Stan's BH benefits from his very strong upper body more than timing.

How does it matter. Be it timing or body strength. What counts is what the BH can do in a match.

If I remember rotla, you play tennis. Single or double BH?

smiley Only table tennis possible ma'm now. I was playing when I worked in HP and they had tennis courts.

My SHBH is more natural shot but I often have put the other hand for strength. I'm a tad better than a beginner in tennis, my BH doesn't even count.
There you go! Winking

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Post by Tenez on Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:07 am

It's those games where Stan is 40/15 up or has game points but ends up losing which are costing him a lot! he coudl have wrapped this in 3....he'll probably lose it in 4....but that is so typical of scoring between a retriever and an attacking player.

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Post by summerblues on Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:18 am

Nole does a lot of retrieving.

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Post by summerblues on Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:23 am

What a horrible horrible game from Nole.

No choking this time Stan, please.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:34 am

summerblues wrote:Nole does a lot of retrieving.
You noticed? Winking

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Post by summerblues on Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:35 am

Yes! Fifth set.  Tennis may be horrible but at least it is a nailbiter.  If they play like today, whoever wins will get eaten up by Andy.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:37 am

Something's not quite right with Nole physically, but I'm not sure what it is.

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Post by summerblues on Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:45 am

Stan had his chances in this game; too bad he missed that BH DTL on BP.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:46 am

noleisthebest wrote:Something's not quite right with Nole physically, but I'm not sure what it is.

He is unusually heavy on his feet, probably because it's hard for him to settle in the footwork with Stan going for his shots and not playing predictable percentage patterns.

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Post by summerblues on Fri Jan 30, 2015 11:49 am

What a choke from Stan.

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