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Re: Armstrong might lose all his titles!
Many sponsors have left it, he doesn't have much else to cling on to, imo its deffo stubbornness and pride.
He vilified every single person who went after him with court settlements, bribes, threats etc.
just the pitts.
He vilified every single person who went after him with court settlements, bribes, threats etc.
just the pitts.
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lance is going on oprah! :O
http://www.oprah.com/pressroom/Lance-Armstrong-on-Oprahs-Next-Chapter
http://www.oprah.com/pressroom/Lance-Armstrong-on-Oprahs-Next-Chapter
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luvsports! wrote:lance is going on oprah! :O
http://www.oprah.com/pressroom/Lance-Armstrong-on-Oprahs-Next-Chapter
And I thought he has already reached the rock bottom
noleisthebest- Posts : 27907
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i wonder what he will say, can't wait!
he wont say anything though, oprah will ask such rubbish questions like "is it hard cycling? i once did a 20 miler for charity that was really hard mmmm yes, want a hug?"
Its just a chance for both to make loads of money. Why can't they get a good, hard hitting interviewer eh?
he wont say anything though, oprah will ask such rubbish questions like "is it hard cycling? i once did a 20 miler for charity that was really hard mmmm yes, want a hug?"
Its just a chance for both to make loads of money. Why can't they get a good, hard hitting interviewer eh?
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I think despite what people say and like to think of themselves, very few actually have stomach for hearing and handling the truth.luvsports! wrote: Why can't they get a good, hard hitting interviewer eh?
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Well...A lot of athletes who have finally admitted to doping have been pretty helpful in chasing other dopers. Maybe LA will all surprise us and start to question doping in other sports....such as tennis.
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but then he would risk going to jail and have so many lawsuits against him, what has he got to gain from this?!?!
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luvsports! wrote:but then he would risk going to jail and have so many lawsuits against him, what has he got to gain from this?!?!
He's the sort of guy who'd grass everyone he knew just for one more chance to ride TdF
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Not sure...if all the fake glory one built over the years collapses, then might come a sense to do everything right from scratch. Landis did not lose any lawsuit (wasn't even taken to court if I m correct) cause dopers know that the trial and the possible evidence would do even more damage.
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hes been banned for life. He's a sociopathic liar, a megalomaniac and a complete tool but he isn't stupid. He will know exactly what to say, how to spin it to his advantage and make sure he gets more out of it than it gets out of him!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20964728
YOu see LS, WADA is made of repentant dopers (Millar, DeCanio...)...maybe LA soon!
YOu see LS, WADA is made of repentant dopers (Millar, DeCanio...)...maybe LA soon!
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lance is a different animal bud
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I would love to be proven wrong but I think DeCanio got it right:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20964728
So, if he thinks that confession is what does him most good, he will confess, if he thinks the denial will work better, he will go on denying...
He is basically going to do and say anything that will mean that you can still buy a candy bar with his face on it or a bicycle that he endorses.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/20964728
So, if he thinks that confession is what does him most good, he will confess, if he thinks the denial will work better, he will go on denying...
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SB,
Now that you've had this lovely long off season break from tennis forums, how about you do one nice Points Spy here?
Nadal is foing to drop 1200 points ( and that's just from AO)
so it would be good to know how things could look like
It doesn't have to be anything fancy!
Now that you've had this lovely long off season break from tennis forums, how about you do one nice Points Spy here?
Nadal is foing to drop 1200 points ( and that's just from AO)
so it would be good to know how things could look like
It doesn't have to be anything fancy!
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And there’s a wrinkle: Armstrong, should he confess, would have committed perjury during the SCA arbitration when he denied having doped in a deposition he gave in Austin’s federal court on Nov. 30, 2005. The problem for SCA — and federal investigators? The courts aren’t likely to see it that way. Any sort of attack on Armstrong for perjury would likely be blocked by the statue of limitations.
“Under Texas law, it seems that the statute of limitations for perjury is two or three years. He’s likely off the hook on the perjury prosecution,” Stichel said.
maybe he will confess then. http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/01/analysis/analysis-the-legal-twilight-of-an-armstrong-confession_270929
“Under Texas law, it seems that the statute of limitations for perjury is two or three years. He’s likely off the hook on the perjury prosecution,” Stichel said.
maybe he will confess then. http://velonews.competitor.com/2013/01/analysis/analysis-the-legal-twilight-of-an-armstrong-confession_270929
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Sorry if this may sound a bit , but who needs Armstrong to confess anything?
I mean, hasn't he already been proven a mega doper?
What exactly is going to change if he does confess? What new thing can he add around his neck which already isn't hanging there?
I mean, hasn't he already been proven a mega doper?
What exactly is going to change if he does confess? What new thing can he add around his neck which already isn't hanging there?
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not at all its a good question.
Well if he confesses he is open to more lawsuits who have been wronged and cheated by him i.e. sunday times and another company for up to $15m.
The whole cycling community needs it!
If he tells all and properly tells all he could change everything in the sport.
All the dealings with the UCI, the omerta, how to beat the doping system, those involved in beating it, the current practices, the federations involved and so many jobs and livelihoods are at stake, it could be HUGE!!!
On a side note he wants to go back into competing again, but even with a reduced ban it will still be another 8 years so he will be 50!
Well if he confesses he is open to more lawsuits who have been wronged and cheated by him i.e. sunday times and another company for up to $15m.
The whole cycling community needs it!
If he tells all and properly tells all he could change everything in the sport.
All the dealings with the UCI, the omerta, how to beat the doping system, those involved in beating it, the current practices, the federations involved and so many jobs and livelihoods are at stake, it could be HUGE!!!
On a side note he wants to go back into competing again, but even with a reduced ban it will still be another 8 years so he will be 50!
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Do you think he should be given a new chance if he comes 100% clean?
Also, how good would he be if he competed 100% clean (provided all the others were totally clean, as well), and how would we know he/' they were clean, if they are all officially "clean" at the moment, yet we know/suspect they are not.
Also, how good would he be if he competed 100% clean (provided all the others were totally clean, as well), and how would we know he/' they were clean, if they are all officially "clean" at the moment, yet we know/suspect they are not.
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nope, this year at the tour de france's 100 edition all the past riders who are living are being invited to watch the final stage at the champs elysee. I don't want lance anywhere near that place and i don't think they will let him!
The lengths he went to are just shocking. I read the 200 page report, couldn't find the 1000 page one and it is just mind boggling, left me speechless and he should be treated with as much vitriol and contempt as humanly possible.
Well they say armstrong started taking drugs as far back as 95 (hes results improved markedly until he got cancer (some say it was because of the drugs that led to it).
There is no way in saying bud, lance was a very good athlete no doubt but he was tailored for the classics and monuments (1 day events) he couldn't climb, TT was ok and he couldn't sprint. He won the world championships at 21 so he was very capable. He proved on his own patch he was the best (not saying much) but he didn't finish the tdf most of the time! Everyone was on drugs then which led him to cheating so I really don't know, he did recently get beat by a 16 year old in a bike race :P/
I feel cycling is improving but it isn't as clean as everyone says and it alarms me that many current cyclists say that was then this is now!
And many more still support him, funnily enough quite a few ex dopers and indurain (for me deffo on the hot sauce).
Dr michael ashenden is convinced the omerta is under a new sophisticated guise but it can be stopped with financial repercussions, an amnesty approach and trust that they wont be ostracized for their honesty (that involves the UCI which is not good news!).
That is the problem, anti doping own its own isn't going to get it done. You need more funding, increased governing body help, make it a part of the national govt's obligations, police help, independent doping commissions and agencies and that is such a long way off.
Its slow progress, oh so slow.
The lengths he went to are just shocking. I read the 200 page report, couldn't find the 1000 page one and it is just mind boggling, left me speechless and he should be treated with as much vitriol and contempt as humanly possible.
Well they say armstrong started taking drugs as far back as 95 (hes results improved markedly until he got cancer (some say it was because of the drugs that led to it).
There is no way in saying bud, lance was a very good athlete no doubt but he was tailored for the classics and monuments (1 day events) he couldn't climb, TT was ok and he couldn't sprint. He won the world championships at 21 so he was very capable. He proved on his own patch he was the best (not saying much) but he didn't finish the tdf most of the time! Everyone was on drugs then which led him to cheating so I really don't know, he did recently get beat by a 16 year old in a bike race :P/
I feel cycling is improving but it isn't as clean as everyone says and it alarms me that many current cyclists say that was then this is now!
And many more still support him, funnily enough quite a few ex dopers and indurain (for me deffo on the hot sauce).
Dr michael ashenden is convinced the omerta is under a new sophisticated guise but it can be stopped with financial repercussions, an amnesty approach and trust that they wont be ostracized for their honesty (that involves the UCI which is not good news!).
That is the problem, anti doping own its own isn't going to get it done. You need more funding, increased governing body help, make it a part of the national govt's obligations, police help, independent doping commissions and agencies and that is such a long way off.
Its slow progress, oh so slow.
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Thanks LS.
For some funny reason, I think that cycling should be the easiest sport to clean despite the fact that cyclist, of all athletes, benefit most from doping.
If they really wanted to do it, they could, couldn't they?
For some funny reason, I think that cycling should be the easiest sport to clean despite the fact that cyclist, of all athletes, benefit most from doping.
If they really wanted to do it, they could, couldn't they?
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wow haha thats a tough question and one im not sure i can answer .
There is so much hyperbole and conjecture in this as we the spectator don't have a clue. The riders know whats going on, the staff do but we don't.
I guess they just need more funding and a lot of it. I get your point but maybe as cycling is such a physically gruelling sport (where you are more likely to take drugs) those trying to beat the system are more advanced than those in other sports.
Honestly don't know soz.
There is so much hyperbole and conjecture in this as we the spectator don't have a clue. The riders know whats going on, the staff do but we don't.
I guess they just need more funding and a lot of it. I get your point but maybe as cycling is such a physically gruelling sport (where you are more likely to take drugs) those trying to beat the system are more advanced than those in other sports.
Honestly don't know soz.
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I think there is a way to stop doping. Allocate 10 people following everyday one of the 10 top cyclers each (woudl work for any sport). With blood once a day and urine 2 or 3 times a day. If the athlete can stay at teh top for 3 months of this harsh testing then we could lax the rule for him. What will be interesting is see how those top fare during the period versus those who are not being tested so drastically. Since the money is really for the top players it justifies the costs. They have Physios, doctors, etc...following them everyday so it woudl not be such inconvenient...bar the fact they would become human again.
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is this feasible across the whole tour? every single race or day? the funding would have to sky rocket for that to happen.
Out of competition testing needs to be stepped up deffo and it has to be stricter and more stringent.
An independent anti doping org needs to be set up that has sufficient funds, resources and competent enough people to do both blood and urine testing (think wada or the ioc only do urine!).
Perhaps an incremental improvement but im not sure such a radical change is realistic
Out of competition testing needs to be stepped up deffo and it has to be stricter and more stringent.
An independent anti doping org needs to be set up that has sufficient funds, resources and competent enough people to do both blood and urine testing (think wada or the ioc only do urine!).
Perhaps an incremental improvement but im not sure such a radical change is realistic
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Actually no. £50k salary a year plus 50k Expenses = £100k * 10 athletes = £1M. Another £1M would be spent for random testing for the lower ranked players. Some players travel with their stingers....so surely they could afford a tester too.
Do we know what is the anti-doping budget for the ITF/ATP/WTA?
Do we know what is the anti-doping budget for the ITF/ATP/WTA?
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ah soz thought u were talking about cycling.
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Would it be different? Same principle.
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well some sports have more money than others right?
i heard that $1.3m was spent on anti doping in tennis this year (again less than their actual budget).
I still think its quite a big effort and most will say its too expensive even if it isn't.
i heard that $1.3m was spent on anti doping in tennis this year (again less than their actual budget).
I still think its quite a big effort and most will say its too expensive even if it isn't.
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luvsports! wrote:well some sports have more money than others right?
i heard that $1.3m was spent on anti doping in tennis this year (again less than their actual budget).
I still think its quite a big effort and most will say its too expensive even if it isn't.
I'd love to see the breakdown of that figure!
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luvsports! wrote:well some sports have more money than others right?
i heard that $1.3m was spent on anti doping in tennis this year (again less than their actual budget).
I still think its quite a big effort and most will say its too expensive even if it isn't.
Well that's why I think they are not serious about doping....In fact we know they want(ed?) to facilitate doping ...not making it tougher.
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I hear LA is going to be interviewed by Oprah and he is going to come clean and admit to doping
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Veejay wrote:I hear LA is going to be interviewed by Oprah and he is going to come clean and admit to doping
You got the first part right!
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Veejay wrote:I hear LA is going to be interviewed by Oprah and he is going to come clean and admit to doping
Are you trying to say that he is still denying it?
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noleisthebest wrote:Veejay wrote:I hear LA is going to be interviewed by Oprah and he is going to come clean and admit to doping
Are you trying to say that he is still denying it?
Yes,and his fans are also still denying it..many are claiming he is the victim of a witch hunt and was set up..
LA wants to do triathlones so he will have to come clean before he is allowed to compete
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Veejay wrote:
Yes,and his fans are also still denying it..many are claiming he is the victim of a witch hunt and was set up..
LA wants to do triathlones so he will have to come clean before he is allowed to compete
that sounds very familiar
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noleisthebest wrote:Veejay wrote:
Yes,and his fans are also still denying it..many are claiming he is the victim of a witch hunt and was set up..
LA wants to do triathlones so he will have to come clean before he is allowed to compete
that sounds very familiar
Kinda forgone conclusion to how they will react the day El Toro gets matadored
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Veejay wrote:noleisthebest wrote:Veejay wrote:
Yes,and his fans are also still denying it..many are claiming he is the victim of a witch hunt and was set up..
LA wants to do triathlones so he will have to come clean before he is allowed to compete
that sounds very familiar
Kinda forgone conclusion to how they will react the day El Toro gets matadored
Wooffie will be fine, she's already got a "Feli watch" going for a while, I'm worried about Amri though ...
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noleisthebest wrote:Veejay wrote:noleisthebest wrote:Veejay wrote:
Yes,and his fans are also still denying it..many are claiming he is the victim of a witch hunt and was set up..
LA wants to do triathlones so he will have to come clean before he is allowed to compete
that sounds very familiar
Kinda forgone conclusion to how they will react the day El Toro gets matadored
Wooffie will be fine, she's already got a "Feli watch" going for a while, I'm worried about Amri though ...
I wouldnt worry about Amri,he seems to believe his own lies so Im sure he will be ok...
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And Mr Armstrong finally owns up and admits doping....on Ophra's TV show:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21024288 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=akRHUsHnQZo
&
http://www.channel4.com/news/lance-armstrong-on-oprah-what-does-he-gain
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21024288 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=akRHUsHnQZo
&
http://www.channel4.com/news/lance-armstrong-on-oprah-what-does-he-gain
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ye i heard that yesterday but waht im interested to know is what he actually said!
hurry up thursday!
hurry up thursday!
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I think the ultimate cheats here are teh sponsors. They choose who they want to win and make sure that persons turns into an idol. They don;t only design athletes' outfits, they design champions too.
Nike (which means victory in Greek) is probably the worst offender!...and let's not forget they ruled the ATP during Nadal's best years.
Nike (which means victory in Greek) is probably the worst offender!...and let's not forget they ruled the ATP during Nadal's best years.
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Tenez wrote:I think the ultimate cheats here are teh sponsors. They choose who they want to win and make sure that persons turns into an idol. They don;t only design athletes' outfits, they design champions too.
Nike (which means victory in Greek) is probably the worst offender!...and let's not forget they ruled the ATP during Nadal's best years.
I wonder what UNIQLO means
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noleisthebest wrote:Tenez wrote:I think the ultimate cheats here are teh sponsors. They choose who they want to win and make sure that persons turns into an idol. They don;t only design athletes' outfits, they design champions too.
Nike (which means victory in Greek) is probably the worst offender!...and let's not forget they ruled the ATP during Nadal's best years.
I wonder what UNIQLO means
U Need Infinite Quads Lungs Ok
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seen snippets of the interview and my god how bad an interviewer is oprah, lance had her in his back pocket, absolute farce, nothing we didn't already know and the main stuff he still denies AHHHHHHH
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luvsports! wrote:seen snippets of the interview and my god how bad an interviewer is oprah, lance had her in his back pocket, absolute farce, nothing we didn't already know and the main stuff he still denies AHHHHHHH
he,he it's called school of life LS, plenty to learn every day....
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However he says that:
...and tennis is no different....unless, maybe, and only maybe, you have as much technique and talent as Federer, or you accept to be ranked in the low 20 like Llodra.
Asked if doping was part of the process required to win the Tour, he said: "That's like saying we have to have air in our tyres or water in our bottles. It was part of the job.
...and tennis is no different....unless, maybe, and only maybe, you have as much technique and talent as Federer, or you accept to be ranked in the low 20 like Llodra.
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Tenez wrote:However he says that:Asked if doping was part of the process required to win the Tour, he said: "That's like saying we have to have air in our tyres or water in our bottles. It was part of the job.
...and tennis is no different....unless, maybe, and only maybe, you have as much technique and talent as Federer, or you accept to be ranked in the low 20 like Llodra.
What would be more efficient in solving the doping problem: ridiculous zero tolerance controlling or turning the tour into what it looked like in its early days: wooden racquets and fast grass everywhere.
Or stg else...
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IM so angry its untrue!
so goes the future of cycling.....
so goes the future of cycling.....
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luvsports! wrote:IM so angry its untrue!
so goes the future of cycling.....
Welcome to the real world LS, where people lie, stab you in the back, just so they can have a few more pennies in their pocket.
You can thank the power of modern media for keeping you believe the dream this long!
Everyone has a choice to wake up or not.
I admit it's hard to do it, esp when it's something you love so much, it's actually heart-breaking.
It's only natural you hate those who keep lying and denying and ruining/destroying something you love.
Some say tennis is rotten to the bone, I'm struggling to accept it at the moment as I don't know how I can cope with it to be honest.
If I knew players were doping, my conscience would not allow me to watch a single match any more. So I am waiting and hoping that something changes soon, and this Fuentes case could be the beginning. A very faint hope, but better than no hope.
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it was just the promise that he would TELL ALL, the chance to restructure cycling, get rid of the UCI, start a new, a new dawn for clean cycling.
This interview for me is just the biggest let down.
I was never an armstrong fan 2bh I mean I only got into cycling in 08 but when he returned in 09 I didn't support him.
He had oprah in his back pocket, it was a nice stroll in the park for him, he needs to go under oath, be grilled properly not just this farcical cakewalk interview.
This interview for me is just the biggest let down.
I was never an armstrong fan 2bh I mean I only got into cycling in 08 but when he returned in 09 I didn't support him.
He had oprah in his back pocket, it was a nice stroll in the park for him, he needs to go under oath, be grilled properly not just this farcical cakewalk interview.
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He,he, just thought I'd throw this one in for light entertainment....just to take the edge off the pain
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/lance-armstrong-and-celebrities-who-confessed-1542945
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/lance-armstrong-and-celebrities-who-confessed-1542945
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