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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:23 am

....and he keeps going...painting the corners with his FH and charging the net with such gusto...beautiful!

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Post by summerblues on Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:33 am

FedererKing wrote:He's been very very poor overall...  Monfils has played well, but Fed didn't even turn up in first 2 sets, and has been hanging on with his service games far too often.
Yes, that is all true, but he was playing better in the earlier rounds, so I am hoping that if he survives today he might still right the ship.

Not sure why he was so poor today, but he looked a bit nervous to me - some of the mishits on the easiest of shots looked just too tense.

Anyway, hopefully he will finish it off now and - for a five setter - the match was not too long, so hopefully he will have enough energy left for the remainder of the USO.

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Post by Daniel on Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:36 am

It's just one of those nasty dips that happen with age.  That's the main reason.  Luckily it happened here... but if that happens against Djok (if he gets there)... it's bye bye.

I am so dead tomorrow...  gotta get up at 9.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:39 am

There were no dips. Monfils simply played better.
Once you understand that simple thing, you'll both see why Federer is a superior player now compared to 2006.

In the meantime, enjoy this magnificent win if you can Bubbly

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Post by summerblues on Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:41 am

FedererKing wrote:It's just one of those nasty dips that happen with age.  That's the main reason.  Luckily it happened here... but if that happens against Djok (if he gets there)... it's bye bye.
If it happens against Nole, he will get slaughtered.  But I am hoping this is his bad match of the tournament out of the way. smiley

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Post by Daniel on Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:44 am

noleisthebest wrote:There were no dips. Monfils simply played better.
Once you understand that simple thing, you'll both see why Federer is a superior player now compared to 2006.

In the meantime, enjoy this magnificent win if you can Bubbly

Federer 50% 1st serves in did not happen in the 2006 US Open final, nor did going 2 sets to love down against a player ranked where monfils is.  He is nowhere close to 2006.  You can repeat that he is as many times as you like, but the overwhelming evidence says that you are in error.

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Post by summerblues on Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:46 am

Regarding the first QF, I am glad Cilic took it.  When Cilic first appeared, I had him and Delpo in the same category and in fact I initially thought he would do better than Delpo.  But mentally Delpo turned out much tougher.  It would be nice if Cilic started finally having some success (though obviously no better than SF here).

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:48 am

FedererKing wrote:

I am so dead tomorrow...  gotta get up at 9.

And I have a match at 9!!! Yikes

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Post by summerblues on Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:49 am

Quite nice SFs we will be having - finally some newer faces (even though not from the youngest generation).

While I obviously hope Fed somehow wins it all, I would be quite happy with anyone other than Nole.  Of course, the way life works it will end up being Nole in the end Sad

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Post by summerblues on Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:53 am

All right, we lived to see another day.  Good night everyone.

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Post by gallery play on Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:43 am

summerblues wrote:Regarding the first QF, I am glad Cilic took it.  When Cilic first appeared, I had him and Delpo in the same category and in fact I initially thought he would do better than Delpo.  But mentally Delpo turned out much tougher.  It would be nice if Cilic started finally having some success (though obviously no better than SF here).
Funny you mention that. It's what i always said, Tenez saw it different Winking
Delpo lasts longer in rallies but Cilic has more variation, but overall: similar players

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Post by gallery play on Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:46 am

FedererKing wrote:It's just one of those nasty dips that happen with age.  That's the main reason.  Luckily it happened here... but if that happens against Djok (if he gets there)... it's bye bye.

Even if he doesn't have nasty dips against Djoko, he won't have much of a chance, Unless he can do it in three but that is very unlikely
And he's not in the final yet..

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Post by Daniel on Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:24 am

That's what I meant by "if he gets there".  Didn't mean Djok, meant fed :P

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Post by Tenez on Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:08 am

gallery play wrote:Thomas' big mouth strikes again.
He goes bezerk after a right desicion of the ref. The replay clearly showed the ball bounced twice. I remember this also happened when he played against Federer. The ref didn't noticed it back then.
In Madrid blue clay final...

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Post by Tenez on Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:20 am

gallery play wrote:
summerblues wrote:Regarding the first QF, I am glad Cilic took it.  When Cilic first appeared, I had him and Delpo in the same category and in fact I initially thought he would do better than Delpo.  But mentally Delpo turned out much tougher.  It would be nice if Cilic started finally having some success (though obviously no better than SF here).
Funny you mention that. It's what i always said, Tenez saw it different Winking
Delpo lasts longer in rallies but Cilic has more variation, but overall: similar players

yep....Back then I certainly did not see Cilic's variation. It was very Bolitieri like.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:23 am

According to Fed's on court interview he says he "started to play better towards the end" so clearly he was not playing his best in the first sets.

I think he is now paying Toronto and Cincy dearly.

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Post by Polly 81 on Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:35 am

Can't believe he saved two match points, what a legend! Can't wait to see some of the highlights, as I missed it. How was the quality of the playing overall?

Btw, Federer has now overtaken Nadal in the race, and is at no.2.

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Post by luvsports! on Fri Sep 05, 2014 11:43 am

I am only hearing from nitb that it was a high quality match.
A lot lot more have said feds was rubbish for first 2 sets and monfils was alright.
SB said feds was the worse player for the first 4 sets!

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Post by Polly 81 on Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:11 pm

Thanks LS. Oh dear Sad But I guess a win's a win, and it might be what Federer needed. It gives me hope that he didn't buckle in the fourth and still win in 5.

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Post by summerblues on Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:26 pm

Again, will not be able to login later so here goes (if any other matches are in the selection, same applies as yesterday).

Williams (joker)
Wozniacki

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Post by luvsports! on Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:31 pm

I think Monfils did after not taking those mp's. Great credit to fed for saving them and winning 4 points in a row but Monfils double faulted twice in the next game.

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Post by Autumnleaf on Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:51 pm

Very happy, Berdych is out.  Applause Cilic! I knew he had it in him. Big Grin Berdych hadn't met even a top 40 player up to the point and still Klizan took him to five. That match was pretty boring though with a lot of rallies hard down the middle and the occasional variation thrown in by Cilic.

The other match... Oh dear!  headhurts Heart attacks imminent on that one. Haven't seen such a poor groundgame of Fed since the Toronto final; he just couldn't dial in on his i/o fh, so many errors off that side, so many chances wasted because of it. Completely lost confidence because of it and the whole game got shaky. In the beginning the wind might have been a factor.

Monfils was playing well imho, i.e. what you can expect of him, nothing special. Incredibly fast, got to the dropshots every time and hit them back for a winner, great on defense, some fhs with amazing pace, served well (despite the DFs which were because of some high risk, very fast 2nd serves, our commies said he went for 180km/hrs second serves)

It's to Fed's credit though that he is able to pull off wins even when some key shots aren't working. That's the way he made 23 SFs in a row - you don't do that when you're not able to win on off days. There are always some things still working. I actually liked his returning the Monfils serve, especially when compared to Dimitrov. He gave himself a lot of chances to break Monfils, won around 40% return points which is awesome and it paid off in the end. He showed some guts saving the 2 MPs too, especially considering how shaky his groundgame was.

I'll be looking forward to this SF.

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Post by Autumnleaf on Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:56 pm

Gotta chose the matches already, don't know when I'll be home tonight:

1. Makarova
2. Wozniacki (joker)

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:34 pm

I have no intention arguing the point with anyone esp people who haven't seen the match or go and read what Facebook pages and other blogs and websites say before coming here and expressing "their" wisdom, just that I did see the match, and that Fed played really well.
He did not play poorly in the first two sets, Monfils was playing better than him, that's all.
He was playing fast, aggressive baseline tennis and dictating play all the time.
From that point of view Federer played less well then in the third and fourth where Monfils started tiring and begin to drop his phenomenal serving little by little.
He is very much a player of instinct and inspiration and as soon as he dropped a little, Fed was all over him taking control and imposing his game.
He played a great match, and for those who haven't seen it, I'd advise to watch first two sets and understand it was Monfils who played superbly.
It doesn't happen every day that Fed gets outpaced from the base-line, but Monfils is that kind of talent.
Some people seem to prefer to pick for negatives, I like to observe the match as a whole and understand how the momentum shifts and plays out.
It was a brilliant match and a great battle of wills separating men from boys.
As fir Cilic, he is a Boletieri type of player, no better than Berdych, maybe just slightly better and softer mover.
Now that he's come back from his reduced ban for actually  testing positive and with lots more muscle, he is no different to much derided Berdych and his huge thighs.
Just thought I'd put things straight as I'm a bit sick and tired of people going on about him like he is the tour devil...


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Post by gallery play on Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:37 pm

Tenez wrote:According to Fed's on court interview he says he "started to play better towards the end" so clearly he was not playing his best in the first sets.

I think he is now paying Toronto and Cincy dearly.
I think you're right. He'll be dead tired for the final even if he has an easy semi. I even reckon Cilic can trouble Djoko more than Federer at the moment. Cilic is cruising through his service games, that's a must against Djoko.

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Post by gallery play on Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:45 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Just thought I'd put things straight as I'm a bit sick and tired of people going on about him like he is the tour devil...
Point taken. Thanks for sharing. Meanwhile, could you tell us once more why this Federer is 20 times better than Federer 2006? I'm really curious.


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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:29 pm

I don't quite recall the "20 times better" phrase,  but that aside, the extreme vibe you seem to have picked up came from frustration with media and consequently posters trying to retire Federer as old and useless.
The trend has been going on for some time now and it awoke the Fed warrior in me!

However, I stand by the opinion that he is a better player now than in 2006, and all my arguments are in Tenez's 2006 domination revisited thread (more game, more experience) and in some other ones, as it came popping up ubiquitously every time Fed was less than 110% dazzling, made an UO or didn't demolish his opposition like he did back in 2006 when different tennis was played.

In short, the game has moved on and its physicality made it impossible to dominate in the 2006 fashion.
He himself mentioned it in his very recent interview Tenez posted in the Federer says thread.

Bottom line, I am deeply enjoying his talent and effort he put into making it shine through. Especially at his age in this era after all that he has already done and won.
He has been playing best tennis of his life, esp in Cincy.
Last night Monf was brilliant and extremely tough to play, please watch first two sets if you haven't already.

He had better footspeed baseline pace and looser, bigger shots than Nole will have should they meet in the final.
But because he plays for fun and he is the way he is, he simply could not sustain it.
Monf is a phenomenal talent.

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Post by truffin1 on Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:58 pm

phew-- that was a nailbiter through 4 sets... 5th set, I knew Fed was going to run away with it.      It's all for nothing really though- if Fed doesn't have enough left in him to take out Djokovic in the final..     assuming Fed and Djoko are there.

Fed will get the 2nd semi in midday heat so less time to recover as well.  

It's been a great run up to this point though-   Wimby final, Toronto Final, Cinci Win and US Open semi and counting is a stretch that all but a handful of players won't be able to pull of in an entire career- much less when they are at the tail end!

Interesting stat last night for those who have questioned Fed's mental toughness in 5 setters.  He now has the 2nd most wins in history coming back and winning from a 0-2 set deficit in a 5 Set match.  1 match away from the record.

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Post by gallery play on Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:06 pm

I don't quite recall the "20 times better" phrase,  but that aside, the extreme vibe you seem to have picked up came from frustration with media and consequently posters trying to retire Federer as old and useless.
Well, i was being sarcastic but since you put some effort in your reply i will react politely.

The trend has been going on for some time now and it awoke the Fed warrior in me!
there's not much to it for that to happen is it?
And about that trend, why do you think that's going on? The whole world is crazy except you, right?

However, I stand by the opinion that he is a better player now than in 2006, and all my arguments are in Tenez's 2006 domination revisited thread (more game, more experience)
More game: yes. More experience? That is the most overrated asset ever. Expercience = extra nerves, nothing more. The game got more physical? Yes, that's a no-brainer. But you do not acknowledge how fit Federer was in 2006, and that was also part of why he was so dominant. It's a constraint of being dominant. He can't live up to that constraint, which is why you can't regard him as the same player, let alone: a better player.

Bottom line, I am deeply enjoying his talent and effort he put into making it shine through. Especially at his age in this era after all that he has already done and won.
We all do, but there's also the sadness of  seeing him lose matches he normally wouldn't at his peak

He has been playing best tennis of his life, esp in Cincy.
Of course he wasn't playing his best tennis in Cincy, if that was the case he would have won it easily
With comments like this i only get the idea that discussing this with you is pointless. I know you'll only express yourself more and more extreme with every objection you'll get.

Last night Monf was brilliant and extremely tough to play, please watch first two sets if you haven't already.
I did! BH-BH-BH-error. BH-FH-BH-error.

But because he plays for fun and he is the way he is, he simply could not sustain it.
Which is also why he's not as good as he once was: he can't sustain great play for more than a few patches per match. For me stil enough to enjoy watching him play, but that's a different story.

Monf is a phenomenal talent.
A phenomenal athlete, tenniswise: top 20 material, at best. Losing 2 sets to Monfils tells me Fed won't get close to win the USO


Anyway: you see it as a form of betrayal if you're critical about your favorites. It's not! And i think for a hardcore Djokovic fan your pre-Fed sentiments are a little false and/or over the top. I know you're jumping of joy if Djokovic beats Federer. You know, there was a time when you completely turned against Federer. Indeed, when Federer was beating Djoko more often. I have a strong memory Nitb Cool

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Post by Polly 81 on Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:08 pm

truffin1 wrote:
Interesting stat last night for those who have questioned Fed's mental toughness in 5 setters.  He now has the 2nd most wins in history coming back and winning from a 0-2 set deficit in a 5 Set match.  1 match away from the record.

That is interesting! Who is in first position? (And actually, what are the numbers?)

Picks for today: Makarova, Wozniacki (Joker)

I think it was worth mentioning that Jordanne Whiley is playing her Wheelchair Women's Doubles semi today. Should she win the tournament then she and her doubles partner would have won all four majors this year.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:38 pm

gallery play wrote: Anyway: you see it as a form of betrayal if you're critical about your favorites. It's not! And i think for a hardcore Djokovic fan your pre-Fed sentiments are a little false and/or over the top. I know you're jumping of joy if Djokovic beats Federer. You know, there was a time when you completely turned against Federer. Indeed, when Federer was beating Djoko more often. I have a strong memory Nitb Cool
You are entitled to your opinion, but rest assured you cannot be further from the truth with just about everything you said in this paragraph.
In fact, I find it patronising and insulting...even a little amusing!

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Post by Daniel on Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:25 pm

No offence NITB, but I get the distinct impression that you WANT this Federer to be the same as 2006 so you can claim Djokovic is beating Federer at his best.  But he simply isn't.  Old man Fed took Djok to 5 sets at Wimbledon playing nowhere neat 2006 standard, and Djok was the one who looked more tired!

The problem with your house of cards is that it will fall apart in the next few years when Djokovic can't win a raffle.  I only hope then you can finally admit age matters.

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Post by truffin1 on Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:51 pm

Polly 81 wrote:
truffin1 wrote:
Interesting stat last night for those who have questioned Fed's mental toughness in 5 setters.  He now has the 2nd most wins in history coming back and winning from a 0-2 set deficit in a 5 Set match.  1 match away from the record.

That is interesting! Who is in first position? (And actually, what are the numbers?)

Picks for today: Makarova, Wozniacki (Joker)

I think it was worth mentioning that Jordanne Whiley is playing her Wheelchair Women's Doubles semi today. Should she win the tournament then she and her doubles partner would have won all four majors this year.

Fed has nine comebacks from 0-2 deficits...

The guy ahead of him?  Aaron Krickstein!!!

an excerpt from Wikipedia

"He had a record of 10 career wins from 0–2 set deficits. His nickname "Marathon Man" was a reference to his ability to make a comeback when behind in a match.[1][13][14] Krickstein won 27 of his 35 career matches that went into a fifth set."



edit- McEnroe brothers said Krickstein, but doing research now I also see Boris Becker is tied with him at 10.


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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:55 pm

FK,

as you may have noticed, I quite enjoy tennis in all shapes and forms.

I don't live or die by who wins the next slam and whether I am right in my predictions.

I just observe and comment, learn all the time from those who do the same.
I love Nole because he is Serbian and has managed to be so good coming from so far behind all his peers particularly as he has restored the national pride in us after enduring 20 horrific years of daily suffering I don't wish on anyone.
Sorry, nothing cool and funky...but that's life unplugged for you...
I also like him as a tennis player...  he may not be Roger Federer but was the only one to have the guts and openly stand up to Nadal back in 2006.
He dismantled him from standing on the base-line not 4m behind it.

You won't hear Nole say he's happy for Nadal to win 9RGs like Fed did for example.

As for the house of cards...let's just leave the debate there...

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:43 pm

Anyway....tribalism aside US Open 2014: MOTD Day 11 Thu 04/09/2014 Men's Quarter finals - Page 2 3919515806




I don't know what to make of SF line-up...mainly because of Cilic, as I find him quite flat to watch.
The draw has totally ruined this USO, so far only two decent matches: Nishi- Stan & Fed-Monf.


Davis Cup next weekend  is going to be 20 times more interesting Winking

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Post by summerblues on Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:44 am

gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:According to Fed's on court interview he says he "started to play better towards the end" so clearly he was not playing his best in the first sets.

I think he is now paying Toronto and Cincy dearly.
I think you're right. He'll be dead tired for the final even if he has an easy semi. I even reckon Cilic can trouble Djoko more than Federer at the moment. Cilic is cruising through his service games, that's a must against Djoko.
I am hoping this was just a bad day at the office and he can play better tomorrow and hopefully Monday.

Also, for a 5-setter, the match was not horribly long.  If he manages to win easily tomorrow, then - with the final now being played on Monday - he might still be in decent enough shape.  Of course, all that may not be enough to get through Nole.  So, all the best to Kei tomorrow.

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Post by Daniel on Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:41 am

I agree.  Federer's chances of winning are substantially less if Djok reaches the final.  He can still do it, but I'd be giving him 80% against Nish, and 10% against Djok.

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Post by gallery play on Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:44 am

summerblues wrote:
gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:According to Fed's on court interview he says he "started to play better towards the end" so clearly he was not playing his best in the first sets.

I think he is now paying Toronto and Cincy dearly.
I think you're right. He'll be dead tired for the final even if he has an easy semi. I even reckon Cilic can trouble Djoko more than Federer at the moment. Cilic is cruising through his service games, that's a must against Djoko.
I am hoping this was just a bad day at the office and he can play better tomorrow and hopefully Monday.

Also, for a 5-setter, the match was not horribly long.  If he manages to win easily tomorrow, then - with the final now being played on Monday - he might still be in decent enough shape.  Of course, all that may not be enough to get through Nole.  So, all the best to Kei tomorrow.

But after 2 hours of play against Djoko he'll be worn down anyway..
I think Cilic can get more free points against Djoko, and definitly can still do that after a few hours.


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Post by gallery play on Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:49 am

Truffin1 wrote:Fed has nine comebacks from 0-2 deficits...

The guy ahead of him?  Aaron Krickstein!!!

It's the only part that is impressive about his 5 set match record and there's a logical explanation for it: it's easier to start a fifth set after having won the last two sets. By that time he alread turned things around and since he's a great front runner..
His record in 5 set matches with many momentum swing is not so good, to say the least

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Post by gallery play on Sat Sep 06, 2014 8:51 am

FedererKing wrote:I agree.  Federer's chances of winning are substantially less if Djok reaches the final.  He can still do it, but I'd be giving him 80% against Nish, and 10% against Djok.
yeah, that's how i would put it too.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:57 pm

truffin1 wrote:Interesting stat last night for those who have questioned Fed's mental toughness in 5 setters.  He now has the 2nd most wins in history coming back and winning from a 0-2 set deficit in a 5 Set match.  1 match away from the record.

Interesting but he still has a poor 5 setter record.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Sep 06, 2014 1:59 pm

gallery play wrote:
summerblues wrote:
gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:According to Fed's on court interview he says he "started to play better towards the end" so clearly he was not playing his best in the first sets.

I think he is now paying Toronto and Cincy dearly.
I think you're right. He'll be dead tired for the final even if he has an easy semi. I even reckon Cilic can trouble Djoko more than Federer at the moment. Cilic is cruising through his service games, that's a must against Djoko.
I am hoping this was just a bad day at the office and he can play better tomorrow and hopefully Monday.

Also, for a 5-setter, the match was not horribly long.  If he manages to win easily tomorrow, then - with the final now being played on Monday - he might still be in decent enough shape.  Of course, all that may not be enough to get through Nole.  So, all the best to Kei tomorrow.

But after 2 hours of play against Djoko he'll be worn down anyway..
I think Cilic can get more free points against Djoko, and definitly can still do that after a few hours.

Djoko was worringly good versus Murray. It's amazing the shots he retrieved from MUrray!

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Post by summerblues on Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:07 pm

Tenez wrote:Djoko was worringly good versus Murray. It's amazing the shots he retrieved from MUrray!
Agree with that; Djoko was amazing.  Andy played great first two sets yet they were even and I had the feeling that while Andy was playing above himself, Nole was playing very much within himself.

If Fed and Nole meet in the final, Fed will need to find a way to shorten the points; he has no hope to stay in the type of rallies Murray and Nole were playing.

In fact, I was almost wondering whether Fed's poor performance against Monfils had something to do with Fed thinking of what he will need to do against Nole.  I had the impression - especially early in the match that Fed was pressing too much trying to finish points too quickly and getting frustrated that he could not.  It was not needed against Monfils but maybe he was just trying to prove to himself that he can win here playing short points.  If so, Monfils match will not have been encouraging - Fed was unable to find enough holes through him.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:22 pm

summerblues wrote:
In fact, I was almost wondering whether Fed's poor performance against Monfils had something to do with Fed thinking of what he will need to do against Nole.  I had the impression - especially early in the match that Fed was pressing too much trying to finish points too quickly and getting frustrated that he could not.  It was not needed against Monfils but maybe he was just trying to prove to himself that he can win here playing short points.  If so, Monfils match will not have been encouraging - Fed was unable to find enough holes through him.

That's the problem....cause fed needs to tire Djoko too. A bit like when Fed beat Nadal in Miami and Wimby 07....only then the targets are larger but Djoko doesn't go down without making his opponent run too.

Cilic might be a better hope to stop Djoko actually.

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Post by Daniel on Sat Sep 06, 2014 3:48 pm

Tenez wrote:
truffin1 wrote:Interesting stat last night for those who have questioned Fed's mental toughness in 5 setters.  He now has the 2nd most wins in history coming back and winning from a 0-2 set deficit in a 5 Set match.  1 match away from the record.

Interesting but he still has a poor 5 setter record.

What was his 5 set record 2004-7, anyone?

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Post by Tenez on Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:16 pm

FedererKing wrote:
Tenez wrote:
truffin1 wrote:Interesting stat last night for those who have questioned Fed's mental toughness in 5 setters.  He now has the 2nd most wins in history coming back and winning from a 0-2 set deficit in a 5 Set match.  1 match away from the record.

Interesting but he still has a poor 5 setter record.

What was his 5 set record 2004-7, anyone?

Not good actually....lost a few to Hewitt, Nalbandian, Safin who were not nearly as physical as Nadal and Djoko.

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Post by Daniel on Sat Sep 06, 2014 11:33 pm

What was it in Slams? Down 2 sets to love twice?

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Post by Tenez on Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:05 am

It does not matter FK...in 2006 the players were not build for running.....only Nadal was and he beat Fed in Rome even though he was only 20!...and Fed at his prime.

That was the beginning of where tennis was going....whether you accept it or not.

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Post by Daniel on Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:46 am

Tenez wrote:It does not matter FK.

The response you are looking for is "no".

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Post by Tenez on Sun Sep 07, 2014 1:51 am

no the response is clearly, it doesn't matter what happened in 2006. It's a different game now.

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