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Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 13 Fri 06/06/2014

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 13 Fri 06/06/2014

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:49 pm

Thanks. Yes, both make sense, esp the Nadal and his confidence...
The thing I noticed about Nole in that interview was the difference in his voice, it sounded like he's had a cold and he didn't sound like that when he gave the on court interview.
So he's either had a big cry or had been severely sick from throwing up/virus.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 13 Fri 06/06/2014

Post by Tenez on Sat Jun 07, 2014 12:13 am

noleisthebest wrote:...So he's either had a big cry or had been severely sick from throwing up/virus.
I think more "mechanical" unfortunately. He was completely immobile from 3 all in the 3rd. I was surprised it took the commentators 10mn notice.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 13 Fri 06/06/2014

Post by summerblues on Sat Jun 07, 2014 2:41 am

summerblues wrote:Good Luck Andy
Ouch.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 13 Fri 06/06/2014

Post by summerblues on Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:47 am

I am a big Nole fan this Sunday.

How is it?  IDEMO MAJSTORE? ALL CAPS?

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 13 Fri 06/06/2014

Post by noleisthebest on Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:58 am

Welcome to the club SB! diva
Yes, capital letters all the way, but never, EVER a question mark after it...not even if it's a question!
A minimum of three exclamation marks is a MUST !!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 13 Fri 06/06/2014

Post by Autumnleaf on Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:57 am

noleisthebest wrote:(...) That's the thing that fascinates me: how does Nadal suddenly start to play his FH well and paint the lines, why in these last two matches, why not in Rome?
I've played various sports, and form simply does not magically just turn up out of nowhere...esp not on tap!
So, the obvious next line would be this cycling thing (which to me is still a mystery btw).
How is he able to time it all so well?
And how is it that other players are not? It's really strange.
Yes, that's why it's so sad for me to watch the guy. It's clear as daylight that he is a doping cheat and it's more likely now that he'll bag his 9th FO title and 14th GS title on sunday to complete the farce that pro-tennis has become.  Wah 

Well, obviously all sportsmen try to peak for the most important events, but it is very hard to time the peaking naturally, because of individual differences in need of recovery/ response to training. You need the exact balance between (not too hard) training and (not too much) relaxation. Training too hard before an important competition will leave you tired, relaxing too early can make you peak early.

I also did various sports and my best results always came after a lay off period.

It's all easier with the use of PEDs, just look at the doping schedule of Tyler Hamilton:

The doctors' files allegedly consisted of two pages. In the first, a calendar of the racing season is laid out from November to October, with the races that the rider wanted to do well in being marked along with the medication that he should take. The markings were in the so-called "Sanskrit of Eufemiano", a notation system of substances, doses, and procedures. Before the 2003 season, Dr Fuentes indicated that Hamilton should start taking EPO from December 21, with 2000 units daily, up until Christmas Eve, and then on alternate days until January 9. On the 14th of January, before his first training camp with CSC, he was instructed to withdraw blood. On January 24, he was to start with anabolics. In March, after racing had started, he was to take HMG - a hormone used by menopausal women - to mask the anabolics, as well as taking growth hormone and insulin.

The second page of the file allegedly showed that he won Liège-Bastogne-Liège six days after a double transfusion of blood, won the Tour de Romandie shortly afterwards, and prepared for the Tour by not racing in May and taking anabolics and EPO. He then raced only the Dauphiné Libéré in June - completely anonymously, and didn't even start the final stage. At the time, he claimed to be suffering from stomach problems all week, but El Pais alleged that according to Dr Fuentes files, it was during another period of blood extraction. In the final lead up to the Tour, he was to take more growth hormone and re-infuse the blood, as well as doing so on the first rest day of the race.



With the drugs you can mess with the body's chemicals in a way as to achieve the best results just when it counts the most by following your doping schedule. Obviously the effectiveness of the doping schedule will also depend on the knowledge of your doctor and the general respondance of the athlete to the drugs. Not everybody reacts the same to the same drugs, I wondered myself why Nadal has got so much better results with his doping regime than most everybody else in his sport. How does he do it? Does he just have a better regime than others? Is he a better responder? Does he get away with more?

I don't buy that he became more confident, just when RG started, while suffering from mental weaknesses in Madrid and Rome. Youzhny and Simon took sets off him in Rome of all people! Imagine that at RG where most opponents struggled to take games off him. His stamina was up there in Rome, imho, but his strength may not have been fully up there resulting in less "confidence".

Unfortunately he is the clear favourite for me on sunday. Sad

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 13 Fri 06/06/2014

Post by Autumnleaf on Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:17 am

To add:

I admire Tenez's optimism that younger, better players will come along and take down Nadal. I wish I could share it. As I see it, barring real injury, Nadal will clean up the FO until he retires around age 32/33. He is dominating the tour for how many years already with nobody coming along (save Djoko in 2011) and his physical superiority seems more pronounced than ever.

He has his eyes firmly set on the GS record which for some reason I don't understand became the hallmark of the mythical goat, and he will probably steal it and run away with it.

If Ferrer can sustain highly physical play until age 32, so can Nadal.

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Re: Roland Garros 2014: MOTD Day 13 Fri 06/06/2014

Post by Tenez on Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:45 am

Well Nadal is strong on clay.....he is clearly showing limitation elsewhere nowadays.

I was very impressed by a few of the new generation....even Rao can do very well soon. Even his clay season was dubious this year and if it was not for injury he would have been crushed by Djoko tomorrow. Let's not forget that Nadal looks as good as his opponent looks hampered physically.

Remember how he crushed Murray in the final 3 sets of Wimby 2011 but then got crushed in the next round (Final) by Djoko.

I am very annoyed that Djoko got injured yesterday when he was cruising cause he would have prevented Nadal to win a single clay title bar this one he snatched out of Nishi's injuries.

I certainly do not see him break that Slam record...things will only get tougher for him....and this year was already much tougher than last.

However I agree it was a close call cause had he won the AO he could easily be on 15 tomorrow...just 2 slams away from Fed.....but even 2 slams is still a margin.

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