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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome
Djoko held his nerve well there.
BTW: it isn't a long match is it? 90 minutes for 2 sets
BTW: it isn't a long match is it? 90 minutes for 2 sets
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I hope you are right!gallery play wrote:Tough one, but i think Nadal He's fitterTenez wrote:gallery play wrote:With Nadal's current level of fitness it's about impossible to maintain a momemtum against him for long on clayTenez wrote:lost concentration...at a vital moment.....it coudl have been 5/0 but it is 3/2! There Djoko was nervous...playing too hesitant!
What do you think? Who is going to win today?
I'll pick Djoko now.
What is annoying is that Djoko's level is with so much up and down....and almost everytime there is a close game, Rafa takes it. That's my concern.
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What I was saying earlier....no long rallies.gallery play wrote:Djoko held his nerve well there.
BTW: it isn't a long match is it? 90 minutes for 2 sets
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I suspect they both want it but with Rafa it is simpler - he always plays his game - win or lose, it is the other guy who needs to get through him. So from Rafa's perspective, I do not think much changes at RG whether or not he wins today.gallery play wrote:Really? that's not how i see it. Nadal wants this more i reckon.
For Nole, RG is more emotional - and arguably his nerves cost him last year.
Also, looking at the match today, it feels like Nole is taking it as a dry run for the RG - he seems to be nervous except when he is losing.
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I still pick Nole today. When he plays well, he has the game to win.
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True, but Nadal has the stamina to break it down. We'll seesummerblues wrote:I still pick Nole today. When he plays well, he has the game to win.
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I wasn't even jinxing..Tenez wrote:I hope you are right!gallery play wrote:Tough one, but i think Nadal He's fitterTenez wrote:gallery play wrote:With Nadal's current level of fitness it's about impossible to maintain a momemtum against him for long on clayTenez wrote:lost concentration...at a vital moment.....it coudl have been 5/0 but it is 3/2! There Djoko was nervous...playing too hesitant!
What do you think? Who is going to win today?
I'll pick Djoko now.
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Nadal is not nervous...he is mentally beaten. He knows that he can only win by hitting harder and running quicker...and that simple fact is affecting him mentally.
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Nadal is not nervous...he is mentally beaten. He knows that he can only win by hitting harder and running quicker...and that simple fact is affecting him mentally.
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Nole breaks! Well well, this match is really going in the right direction!
That said, i expect more breaks of serve..hopefully Djoko breaks the anaconda more
That said, i expect more breaks of serve..hopefully Djoko breaks the anaconda more
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Nadal is as mobile as a tree today!
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That's when I am worried...2/0 30/0 and Djoko throws a life line.
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Funny the sky presentators talking about Rafa the best clay player ever at his best on clay is probably not as good as Djoko at his best on clay!!!!
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This 3rd game is so important....that's the kind of game Djoko loses though he shoudl win.
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The thing is Djoko has played Nadal so many times, and hit those spiny balls those many times, that he can time them better than anybody.
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I am trying to see what is Becker piece in Djoko's game today....I am not sure I can see any.
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Indeed. The sooner he goes the better.Tenez wrote:I am trying to see what is Becker piece in Djoko's game today....I am not sure I can see any.
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It is not going to be good for Nole if he loses today. Up a break in the deciding set, and losing yet again. Not good if that happens.
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I suppose this is the part where Becker's influence should come in
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Good response. Two more holds.
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NITB went quiet. Must be behind the sofa yet again.
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Seeing this the match today shoudl convince JS that Rafa is a true RHander!
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What a hold from Nole!
Some real full-bodied, pure titanium ball striking
Some real full-bodied, pure titanium ball striking
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I knew you were jinxing!gallery play wrote:never in doubt
It does work doesn't iot?
The Anaconda can't squeeze the rubber band!
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frankly, i didn't expect this. T, you have beaten me today
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Another weird encounter where I felt Djoko could have won in 2 easy sets but let it slip a bit.
he looks dead relax when playing Rafa. He can time Rafa's ball like no other player. he has been exposed to so many of them!
Nadal was cluless. Not sure more energy for rafa would help. But what I noticed from Rafa is that he was never going for line or close to them.....this is why he cannot stretch Djoko. Way too gutless from rafa.
he looks dead relax when playing Rafa. He can time Rafa's ball like no other player. he has been exposed to so many of them!
Nadal was cluless. Not sure more energy for rafa would help. But what I noticed from Rafa is that he was never going for line or close to them.....this is why he cannot stretch Djoko. Way too gutless from rafa.
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I was not that sure actually ...until the end of the second set....But then I had another doubt at 3all in the 3rd but somehow I know Djoko can pull through any time....almost.gallery play wrote:frankly, i didn't expect this. T, you have beaten me today
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what can i say. Tenez was the better analyst today. He beat me fair and square.
But next time i'll do my best and try to beat him. I know i will have to be my best to beat him, no?
But next time i'll do my best and try to beat him. I know i will have to be my best to beat him, no?
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Boris absolutely rocks!!!!!
So happy Nole won this one for him as well.
Time for some fine French red... Chateeauneuf du Pape, ZIVELI!!!
So happy Nole won this one for him as well.
Time for some fine French red... Chateeauneuf du Pape, ZIVELI!!!
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You doper! I bet you read Mats' analysis first!gallery play wrote:what can i say. Tenez was the better analyst today. He beat me fair and square.
But next time i'll do my best and try to beat him. I know i will have to be my best to beat him, no?
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Oh chateau Neuf du Pape...madame ne se refuse rien!noleisthebest wrote:Boris absolutely rocks!!!!!
So happy Nole won this one for him as well.
Time for some fine French red... Chateeauneuf du Pape, ZIVELI!!!
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naah, i talk to my uncle, he knows a thing or 2 about tennisTenez wrote:You doper! I bet you read Mats' analysis first!gallery play wrote:what can i say. Tenez was the better analyst today. He beat me fair and square.
But next time i'll do my best and try to beat him. I know i will have to be my best to beat him, no?
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Ok now the bad news....Rafa is still number one could easily retain it for after Wimby if he wins the FO and has still a 22/19 H2H advantage over Djoko.
So Djoko, you have the tennis world on your shoulders!
So Djoko, you have the tennis world on your shoulders!
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One thing is certain, we won't have to worry about Nole's wrist. He was hitting the ball very hard the last few games
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Winners:
Nadal 15
Nole 46
That's a huuuuge gap
Nadal 15
Nole 46
That's a huuuuge gap
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And Fed beat Nole on clay this year, so according the logic of Rafateers Fed is better than Nadal on clay
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Tenez wrote:Oh chateau Neuf du Pape...madame ne se refuse rien!noleisthebest wrote:Boris absolutely rocks!!!!!
So happy Nole won this one for him as well.
Time for some fine French red... Chateeauneuf du Pape, ZIVELI!!!
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Nadal has no weapons and no answers for Djokovic. He can't beat him playing his normal game and he has absolutely no idea what to do about it. No B game. HAha!
Not looking so peachy now for Nadal, is it?
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gallery play wrote:One thing is certain, we won't have to worry about Nole's wrist. He was hitting the ball very hard the last few games
Unlike Murray who did it for two sets (2nd and 3rd) and then ran out of gas mid 3rd...
Very smart match from Nole. Had Nadal guessing aaaaaaall the time with his BH.
Then he loosened up mid 3rd and let rip. I really enjoyed it.
Why doesn't he play like that all the time!
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FedererKing wrote:Nadal has no weapons and no answers for Djokovic. He can't beat him playing his normal game and he has absolutely no idea what to do about it. No B game. HAha!Not looking so peachy now for Nadal, is it?
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Imagine if Nole didn't have to skip Madrid...
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gallery play wrote:One thing is certain, we won't have to worry about Nole's wrist. He was hitting the ball very hard the last few games
True. The wrist actually hurts for the spinny shots, which coudl explain why we did not have long rallies today.
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gallery play wrote:And Fed beat Nole on clay this year, so according the logic of Rafateers Fed is better than Nadal on clay
The truth is he is....in best of 5 games....not sets!
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FedererKing wrote:Nadal has no weapons and no answers for Djokovic. He can't beat him playing his normal game and he has absolutely no idea what to do about it. No B game. HAha!Not looking so peachy now for Nadal, is it?
1 Rafael Nadal 12500 - - - - 2 Novak Djokovic 11850
That is why we should reflect on those coaches who are/were paid £900k by the LTA, like Brad Gilbert who called Rafa the "tennis brain" of teh tour.....ignoring that it was Nadal's legs and guns that actually made the difference. How come someone who has played on the tour can be so crap in analysing the game.
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noleisthebest wrote:gallery play wrote:One thing is certain, we won't have to worry about Nole's wrist. He was hitting the ball very hard the last few games
Unlike Murray who did it for two sets (2nd and 3rd) and then ran out of gas mid 3rd...
Very smart match from Nole. Had Nadal guessing aaaaaaall the time with his BH.
Then he loosened up mid 3rd and let rip. I really enjoyed it.
Why doesn't he play like that all the time!
Not on;y BH but FH.It's a clear case of Djoko being aa step ahead of Nadal and reading Nadal's game so well that he can aniticipate where Nadal woudl be inclined to run before Nadal himself. To be fair others can do it....but Djoko can execute longer and don't panic while the others do.
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Tenez wrote:noleisthebest wrote:gallery play wrote:One thing is certain, we won't have to worry about Nole's wrist. He was hitting the ball very hard the last few games
Unlike Murray who did it for two sets (2nd and 3rd) and then ran out of gas mid 3rd...
Very smart match from Nole. Had Nadal guessing aaaaaaall the time with his BH.
Then he loosened up mid 3rd and let rip. I really enjoyed it.
Why doesn't he play like that all the time!
Not on;y BH but FH.It's a clear case of Djoko being aa step ahead of Nadal and reading Nadal's game so well that he can aniticipate where Nadal woudl be inclined to run before Nadal himself. To be fair others can do it....but Djoko can execute longer and don't panic while the others do.
I thought you said Murray has great anticipation and reads the game well....
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