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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by gallery play on Sun May 18, 2014 4:53 pm

Djoko held his nerve well there.
BTW: it isn't a long match is it? 90 minutes for 2 sets

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 4:53 pm

gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:
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Tenez wrote:lost concentration...at a vital moment.....it coudl have been 5/0 but it is 3/2! There Djoko was nervous...playing too hesitant!
With Nadal's current level of fitness it's about impossible to maintain a momemtum against him for long on clay

What do you think?  Who is going to win today?

I'll pick Djoko now.
 Tough one, but i think Nadal Cry  He's fitter
I hope you are right! Winking

What is annoying is that Djoko's level is with so much up and down....and almost everytime there is a close game, Rafa takes it. That's my concern.

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 4:54 pm

gallery play wrote:Djoko held his nerve well there.
BTW: it isn't a long match is it? 90 minutes for 2 sets
What I was saying earlier....no long rallies.

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Post by summerblues on Sun May 18, 2014 4:55 pm

gallery play wrote:Really? that's not how i see it. Nadal wants this more i reckon.
I suspect they both want it but with Rafa it is simpler - he always plays his game - win or lose, it is the other guy who needs to get through him.  So from Rafa's perspective, I do not think much changes at RG whether or not he wins today.

For Nole, RG is more emotional - and arguably his nerves cost him last year.

Also, looking at the match today, it feels like Nole is taking it as a dry run for the RG - he seems to be nervous except when he is losing.

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Post by summerblues on Sun May 18, 2014 4:56 pm

I still pick Nole today.  When he plays well, he has the game to win.

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Post by gallery play on Sun May 18, 2014 4:58 pm

summerblues wrote:I still pick Nole today.  When he plays well, he has the game to win.
True, but Nadal has the stamina to break it down. We'll see

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by gallery play on Sun May 18, 2014 4:58 pm

Tenez wrote:
gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:
gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:lost concentration...at a vital moment.....it coudl have been 5/0 but it is 3/2! There Djoko was nervous...playing too hesitant!
With Nadal's current level of fitness it's about impossible to maintain a momemtum against him for long on clay

What do you think?  Who is going to win today?

I'll pick Djoko now.
 Tough one, but i think Nadal Cry  He's fitter
I hope you are right! Winking

I wasn't even jinxing..
 Winking

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 5:00 pm

Nadal is not nervous...he is mentally beaten. He knows that he can only win by hitting harder and running quicker...and that simple fact is affecting him mentally.

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 5:00 pm

Nadal is not nervous...he is mentally beaten. He knows that he can only win by hitting harder and running quicker...and that simple fact is affecting him mentally.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by gallery play on Sun May 18, 2014 5:00 pm

Nole breaks! Well well, this match is really going in the right direction!
That said, i expect more breaks of serve..hopefully Djoko breaks the anaconda more

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 5:03 pm

Nadal is as mobile as a tree today!

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 5:05 pm

That's when I am worried...2/0 30/0 and Djoko throws a life line.

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 5:07 pm

Funny the sky presentators talking about Rafa the best clay player ever at his best on clay is probably not as good as Djoko at his best on clay!!!!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 5:12 pm

This 3rd game is so important....that's the kind of game Djoko loses though he shoudl win.

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 5:17 pm

The thing is Djoko has played Nadal so many times, and hit those spiny balls those many times, that he can time them better than anybody.

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 5:19 pm

I am trying to see what is Becker piece in Djoko's game today....I am not sure I can see any.

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Post by summerblues on Sun May 18, 2014 5:23 pm

Tenez wrote:I am trying to see what is Becker piece in Djoko's game today....I am not sure I can see any.
Indeed. The sooner he goes the better.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 5:27 pm

The momentum is turning...

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by summerblues on Sun May 18, 2014 5:28 pm

It is not going to be good for Nole if he loses today.  Up a break in the deciding set, and losing yet again.  Not good if that happens.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by summerblues on Sun May 18, 2014 5:29 pm

I suppose this is the part where Becker's influence should come in smiley

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by summerblues on Sun May 18, 2014 5:32 pm

Good response. Two more holds.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by summerblues on Sun May 18, 2014 5:33 pm

NITB went quiet. Must be behind the sofa yet again.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by summerblues on Sun May 18, 2014 5:35 pm

Great hold.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 5:37 pm

Seeing this the match today shoudl convince JS that Rafa is a true RHander!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sun May 18, 2014 5:37 pm

What a hold from Nole!
Some real full-bodied, pure titanium ball striking Applause

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by summerblues on Sun May 18, 2014 5:39 pm

Yes! smiley

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by gallery play on Sun May 18, 2014 5:40 pm

never in doubt  Big Grin

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 5:42 pm

gallery play wrote:never in doubt  Big Grin
I knew you were jinxing!

It does work doesn't iot?

The Anaconda can't squeeze the rubber band!

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Post by gallery play on Sun May 18, 2014 5:42 pm

frankly, i didn't expect this. T, you have beaten me today Winking

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 5:45 pm

Another weird encounter where I felt Djoko could have won in 2 easy sets but let it slip a bit.

he looks dead relax when playing Rafa. He can time Rafa's ball like no other player. he has been exposed to so many of them!

Nadal was cluless. Not sure more energy for rafa would help. But what I noticed from Rafa is that he was never going for line or close to them.....this is why he cannot stretch Djoko. Way too gutless from rafa.

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 5:47 pm

gallery play wrote:frankly, i didn't expect this. T, you have beaten me today Winking
I was not that sure actually ...until the end of the second set....But then I had another doubt at 3all in the 3rd but somehow I know Djoko can pull through any time....almost.

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Post by gallery play on Sun May 18, 2014 5:47 pm

what can i say. Tenez was the better analyst today. He beat me fair and square.
But next time i'll do my best and try to beat him. I know i will have to be my best to beat him, no?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by ... on Sun May 18, 2014 5:48 pm

Boris absolutely rocks!!!!!
So happy Nole won this one for him as well.
Time for some fine French red... Chateeauneuf du Pape, ZIVELI!!! Big Grin  redwine

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 5:51 pm

gallery play wrote:what can i say. Tenez was the better analyst today. He beat me fair and square.
But next time i'll do my best and try to beat him. I know i will have to be my best to beat him, no?

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You doper! I bet you read Mats' analysis first! Winking

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 5:52 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Boris absolutely rocks!!!!!
So happy Nole won this one for him as well.
Time for some fine French red... Chateeauneuf du Pape, ZIVELI!!!  Big Grin  redwine
Oh chateau Neuf du Pape...madame ne se refuse rien!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by gallery play on Sun May 18, 2014 5:54 pm

Tenez wrote:
gallery play wrote:what can i say. Tenez was the better analyst today. He beat me fair and square.
But next time i'll do my best and try to beat him. I know i will have to be my best to beat him, no?

 Winking
You doper! I bet you read Mats' analysis first! Winking
naah, i talk to my uncle, he knows a thing or 2 about tennis
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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 5:57 pm

Ok now the bad news....Rafa is still number one could easily retain it for after Wimby if he wins the FO and has still a 22/19 H2H advantage over Djoko.

So Djoko, you have the tennis world on your shoulders!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by gallery play on Sun May 18, 2014 5:58 pm

One thing is certain, we won't have to worry about Nole's wrist. He was hitting the ball very hard the last few games

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by gallery play on Sun May 18, 2014 6:02 pm

Winners:
Nadal 15
Nole 46

That's a huuuuge gap

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Post by gallery play on Sun May 18, 2014 6:04 pm

And Fed beat Nole on clay this year, so according the logic of Rafateers Fed is better than Nadal on clay

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Post by ... on Sun May 18, 2014 6:13 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Boris absolutely rocks!!!!!
So happy Nole won this one for him as well.
Time for some fine French red... Chateeauneuf du Pape, ZIVELI!!!  Big Grin  redwine
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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Daniel on Sun May 18, 2014 6:14 pm

Nadal has no weapons and no answers for Djokovic.  He can't beat him playing his normal game and he has absolutely no idea what to do about it.  No B game. HAha!

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Post by ... on Sun May 18, 2014 6:21 pm

gallery play wrote:One thing is certain, we won't have to worry about Nole's wrist. He was hitting the ball very hard the last few games

Unlike Murray who did it for two sets (2nd and 3rd) and then ran out of gas mid 3rd...
Very smart match from Nole. Had Nadal guessing aaaaaaall the time with his BH.
Then he loosened up mid 3rd and let rip. I really enjoyed it.
Why doesn't he play like that all the time!

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Post by ... on Sun May 18, 2014 6:23 pm

FedererKing wrote:Nadal has no weapons and no answers for Djokovic.  He can't beat him playing his normal game and he has absolutely no idea what to do about it.  No B game. HAha!

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Not looking so peachy now for Nadal, is it?

Imagine if Nole didn't have to skip Madrid...

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Post by Daniel on Sun May 18, 2014 6:23 pm

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74939000/jpg/_74939354_tr.jpg

Can anyone spot the fake smile?

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 6:37 pm

gallery play wrote:One thing is certain, we won't have to worry about Nole's wrist. He was hitting the ball very hard the last few games

True. The wrist actually hurts for the spinny shots, which coudl explain why we did not have long rallies today.

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 6:39 pm

gallery play wrote:And Fed beat Nole on clay this year, so according the logic of Rafateers Fed is better than Nadal on clay

The truth is he is....in best of 5 games....not sets!  Blush

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 6:45 pm

FedererKing wrote:Nadal has no weapons and no answers for Djokovic.  He can't beat him playing his normal game and he has absolutely no idea what to do about it.  No B game. HAha!

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Not looking so peachy now for Nadal, is it?

That is why we should reflect on those coaches who are/were paid £900k by the LTA, like Brad Gilbert who called Rafa the "tennis brain" of teh tour.....ignoring that it was Nadal's legs and guns that actually made the difference. How come someone who has played on the tour can be so crap in analysing the game.

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 18, 2014 6:50 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
gallery play wrote:One thing is certain, we won't have to worry about Nole's wrist. He was hitting the ball very hard the last few games

Unlike Murray who did it for two sets (2nd and 3rd) and then ran out of gas mid 3rd...
Very smart match from Nole. Had Nadal guessing aaaaaaall the time with his BH.
Then he loosened up mid 3rd and let rip. I really enjoyed it.
Why doesn't he play like that all the time!

Not on;y BH but FH.It's a clear case of Djoko being aa step ahead of Nadal and reading Nadal's game so well that he can aniticipate where Nadal woudl be inclined to run before Nadal himself. To be fair others can do it....but Djoko can execute longer  and don't panic while the others do.

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Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
gallery play wrote:One thing is certain, we won't have to worry about Nole's wrist. He was hitting the ball very hard the last few games

Unlike Murray who did it for two sets (2nd and 3rd) and then ran out of gas mid 3rd...
Very smart match from Nole. Had Nadal guessing aaaaaaall the time with his BH.
Then he loosened up mid 3rd and let rip. I really enjoyed it.
Why doesn't he play like that all the time!

Not on;y BH but FH.It's a clear case of Djoko being aa step ahead of Nadal and reading Nadal's game so well that he can aniticipate where Nadal woudl be inclined to run before Nadal himself. To be fair others can do it....but Djoko can execute longer  and don't panic while the others do.

I thought you said Murray has great anticipation and reads the game well....

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