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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Fri May 09, 2014 6:34 pm

This Madrid Masters 1000 is beginning to look like a 250 event...

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by Tenez on Fri May 09, 2014 6:42 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:what a horrible game this Bautista Agut.
I saw him on C1 against Ferrer first time last summer. Certainly more entertaining than Ferrer, quite light-weight but very dogged as a competitor.

I hope to catch some of it now.
Come on, Giri diva

...oh!

Just saw it's finished! What a shame. How did Giri lose?
Did his serve let him down?
He was superb against Murray yesterday.

I only saw the second set and he made stupid mistakes...he also was forced into it as Agut retrieved everything and without pace though letting Giraldo taking all the risk.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Fri May 09, 2014 6:45 pm

That makes sense...

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Post by ... on Fri May 09, 2014 7:18 pm

So the same scenario is to be expected with Ferrer - Gulbis.

Come on, Earnie!!!!!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Fri May 09, 2014 7:47 pm

Gulbis is making the same mistake as Berdych today, he is trying to outrally a Spanish grinder...ending up in a silly netted drop-shot error after a million shots...he may as well have gone for it straight away rather than waste all the energy...probably getting broken as I'm typing this Grr

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Fri May 09, 2014 7:59 pm

Earnie is still alive, 6:5!

Did me criticishing and writing him off in my previous post qualify as jinxing?  

5 minutes later...

Well, Earnie is surely finished now. He obliged and went down meekly in the TB. Rallying, of course. I don't think I've seen him win a single point over 5 shots.
Is it worth watching the 2nd set? Sad

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Post by ... on Fri May 09, 2014 8:58 pm

So sad for Earnie, he played a good match.
The umpire robbed him of a break poing giving Ferrer the matchpoint instead, hawkeye showed he was wrong.
Gulbis saved a few more but couldn't keep it together, he even had a break in that second set. The crowd kept using flash while he was returning to stay in the match and nothing was done about it.
I really dislike this tournament, it's so negative and ugly: design, crowd, their favourite player, gutless umpires, rigged draws, I can't wait for it to be over. The only little relief would be if Nishi or Ferrer won.
OK, Agut.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Fri May 09, 2014 10:06 pm

Time to see a bit of Nishi. He is a set up against Feli Deli.

A horrible thought crossed my mind...imagine if Lopez won...it would be Spaniards only tomorrow!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by Tenez on Fri May 09, 2014 10:25 pm

I would not mind seeing Ferrer v Nadal again actually.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Fri May 09, 2014 10:51 pm

That was a superb match from Nishi, I like him more and more, cracking player!
Now that he's ditched Gilbert as his coach, his gamesmanship has disappeared, too Winking
It appears he had a back treatment during the first set, but did so well in the end. So good with the ball!
With this win he moves into top 10 for the first time, well done, Nishi!  Applause

It would be justice for him to won Madrid as he has been the best player today, however, I fear he won't make it physically .

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Post by ... on Fri May 09, 2014 10:55 pm

Tenez wrote:I would not mind seeing Ferrer v Nadal again actually.

Me neither, but I'd much prefer a fresh Nishi against Nadal. I have a feeling he may even give Ferrer a w/o tomorrow.
Would be wise and good for both with Rome around he corner.
Fresh Ferrer - definitely a decent final on Sunday!

I hope Agut can at least stretch Nadal to three sets.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by Tenez on Fri May 09, 2014 11:27 pm

Well ...I won't watch the match tomorrow.....

Nishi is very quick on his legs...that's what needed v Rafa....and that's why Ferrer is holding his own too.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by bluenose on Sat May 10, 2014 12:31 am

I may be wrong, but I see Nishikori as long back-short thighs and that is a recipe for disaster.  He has a tidy game and accurate shot-making but he has to rely on retrieval and his back is going to give out.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by bluenose on Sat May 10, 2014 1:19 am

I also see Berdych as totally guileless.  He has a game, and no more.  He never surprises.  It's funny after all his talk about mounting a challenge after Stans's  AO - he can't seem to impose himself.  And how silly to tweet about it!  It's like saying he is satisfied to be in his position and has given up on his dreams.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by Tenez on Sat May 10, 2014 8:28 am

bluenose wrote:I may be wrong, but I see Nishikori as long back-short thighs and that is a recipe for disaster.  He has a tidy game and accurate shot-making but he has to rely on retrieval and his back is going to give out.
Well he has been injured most of his career so you may be right. He retrieves a lot but can force some running too by taking the ball early.....depends who he is playing.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 8:48 am

Match of the day:

2.30 PM UK time
Nadal - Agut
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6 PM
Ferrer- Nishikori

Again, predictable scheduling favouring Nadal. Provided Nishikori does turn up to play this evening, how well could either players recover for tomorrow's final, which will probably start around 3 PM...

I hope Agut at least stretches Nadal to 3 sets. This is their first match, and despite his light-weight size, I think Agut is not without a.chance.
He is a very good competitor, has a decent quick FH, moves quite well...the question is how quickly he can get used to Nadal's spin.
Will be an interesting watch.

Nishi - Ferrer...Nishi is the better player and despite how difficult and exhausting Ferrer is on any surface, esp. clay, he'd be my favourite provoded he was fresh, but he seems to have trouble with the back, so not that sure for tonight.
Whoever wins, I hope they have stg left in the tank for tomorrow.

ABN!!!!   diva

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 10, 2014 9:05 am

noleisthebest wrote:...the question is how quickly he can get used to Nadal's spin.

Yep...and since he is not that tall...I think he is not going to get used to it any time soon. He has 0 chance.....and he also looks like someone who is in awe of nadal's power and fame.

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Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 9:27 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:...the question is how quickly he can get used to Nadal's spin.
Yep...and since he is not that tall...I think he is not going to get used to it any time soon. He has 0 chance.....and he also looks like someone who is in awe of nadal's power and fame.
What makes you say that?
I classify Spanish players into two groups: the ones with short (Almagro, Agut, GG Lopez, Robredo,  and long hair (Moya, Ferrer, F. Lopez, Ferrero, Verdasco-though he is struggling with his macho identity)
The short haired ones traditionally are not in Nadal worship camp, hence my tiny hope for Agut today Cool

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by summerblues on Sat May 10, 2014 10:36 am

It is often suggested that Spaniards can fold against Nadal more than non-Spaniards, but I often wonder if it is actually true. Ferrer and Almagro recently beat him. Ferrer beat him twice in slams, including once from a set down at the USO, if anything he seemed to be punching above his weight against Rafa.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 3:06 pm

Match just about to start.

VAMOOOOOOOOOOS AGUT!!!!.   

I am struggling for any nicknames for Agut - it just sounds a bit stern, any ideas?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by Tenez on Sat May 10, 2014 3:21 pm

Gutless?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 3:32 pm

Tenez wrote:Gutless?

 Laugh  ...or legless?

Poor guy is frozen with fear. You were right about time needed for players to get used to Nadal's monster ball, it's so clear to see with Agut now, as it's his first match, and I know how differently he plays against others.

Nadal looks like a complete and utter beast. I simply don't know how he does it. One of these days he is going to burst like a balloon...how can any body process all that and remain in once piece for much longer?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 3:36 pm

Average time between points:

Nadal 28 seconds (was 30 the other day)
Agut 22 seconds

I reckon the crowd would lynch the umpire if he took a point off Nadal...

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 3:39 pm

Gutless, being a first class competitor, is settling nicely into the match, recoverong the break.
Watch Nadal reach for his bag of tricks now...

COME ON GUTTY!!!!! diva

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 3:46 pm

Watching Nadal play is so stressful, it really is pure masochism. Wah

I don't even want to begin to know what it must feel like to play him.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 3:51 pm

Nadal's FH placement graph looks pathetic, 99% of them are extremely low percentage....what a joke!
About 75% of those targeting the BH...

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by truffin1 on Sat May 10, 2014 4:14 pm

Have you guys seen the Rome draw?  Nadal with another cakewalk compared to the others....   Between this 250 level draw he got in Madrid and now Rome- it's like the tennis powers really are desperate to keep him at/near the top.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 4:18 pm

No, I'll do Rome thread later today. Do we know if Fed is playing?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 4:26 pm

Poor Gutty has been minced well and truly by that bicep...
I know why Nole loses his clarity of thought when he plays Nadal...the guy's blunt force simply stupefies you, watching that spinny ball for an hour or so, must have the same effect as watching the hypnotising pendulum...

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by Tenez on Sat May 10, 2014 5:39 pm

Gutty played well actually. Made a couple of crucial easy mistakes that coudl have made the match much closer. Agut is another player obviously more talented than Nadal. He managed to hold his own having a 4th of Nadal's power.

Now please I don't want to hear anyone saying that Nadal is declining. He ran faster and hit harder today than ever before...Still some are getting closer!

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 10, 2014 6:11 pm

truffin1 wrote:Have you guys seen the Rome draw?  Nadal with another cakewalk compared to the others....   Between this 250 level draw he got in Madrid and now Rome- it's like the tennis powers really are desperate to keep him at/near the top.
Just did. Surely he receives a "pick and place" draw from the TDs first. Looks like he chose non only who he plays but also what his worst opponents should face first.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 6:25 pm

I told you Gutty is not bad. I don't know how old he is, but since he kind of turned up out of nowhere last Wimbledon, I'll consider him as the "young" one...
I can see him as an heir to Ferrer's throne. A more watchable version since he is not scared of the net.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 7:01 pm

Nishi Ferrer already playing first set TB!
Anyone watching?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 7:08 pm

Nishi takes the first set!  Somersault

How do you say GO NISHI in Japanese?

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by Tenez on Sat May 10, 2014 7:23 pm

I am watching..while stringing racquets....so tough! There won't be a great final tomorrow...

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 7:43 pm

Cool!
I want to have my Babolat restrung with those red strings, do you know what they are called?
A few weeks ago  I went to play but managed to forget the racquet!
Fortunately,  one of the coaches lent me one of his and I kept playing with it since! I've never heard of that racquet before, it's called Mantis, and has been restrung with these red strings, I really like them, they feel somehow real, so my expensive Babolat os is now gathering dust...

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 7:55 pm

Nishi having his back massaged, from the close-up I know the exact spot!
Good job with that lower right spot, it doesn't affect movement too much, but if it cools down and starts spasming, you are finito!

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Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 8:17 pm

3rd set.....DI-SAS-TER. Sad

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by Tenez on Sat May 10, 2014 8:34 pm

noleisthebest wrote:3rd set.....DI-SAS-TER. Sad
Yes, nothing to do with Nishi being unlucky messing up that MP....it;s all to do with Nadal being so lucky!

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Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 8:36 pm

I can't make my mind up what's quicker on Nishi: his legs or hands?
How do you think he'd fare in Wimbledon?
I don't remember ever seeing him hit a BH slice.

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 10, 2014 8:38 pm

He has good hands. But wimby is more about big shots....well used to be.

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Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 8:39 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:3rd set.....DI-SAS-TER. Sad
Yes, nothing to do with Nishi being unlucky messing up that MP....it;s all to do with Nadal being so lucky!

I noticed...this whole Madrid has that eerie old feeling of deja vu. Quite creepy. I wonder how many people notice that.

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Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 9:16 pm

Great win for Nishi, I am so impressed with his composure and attitude.
He is 10 years younger than Ferrer and has a better chance of recovery despite the back.
The final is at 6.15 tomorrow.

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Post by Tenez on Sat May 10, 2014 9:22 pm

Yes hope he can make Nadal suffer....but I will be worried if he gets to MP!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sat May 10, 2014 9:44 pm

I stopped watching after the 9th...every one I watched (3-4) he netted the FH...so I gave up in the end, he must have won the 10th.

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Post by summerblues on Sat May 10, 2014 10:23 pm

I am very happy with Nishi's season so far. I was hoping Dimitrov's season would look something like that at this point, but I like Nishi too, so I am still pleased.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sun May 11, 2014 8:37 am

Match of the day:

Show - Kamikaze

The two last played a few months ago in AO: 7:6 7:5 7:6. Just like so many before him, Nishi choked a bit, otherwise he could have beaten Nadal. There was also gamesmanship from Nadal. Anyone remember "the horrific blister"?
This is what he said after that match:

"He's a fantastic player and Kei is able to hit the ball very early and the ball was coming back very quick.
It was difficult for me to take position inside the court and I was close to losing every set so I congratulate Kei and I feel he will have a great season.
He is always very quick around the court, but today with his backhand today he was able to take the ball quicker and that's why I was struggling for my position on the court
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So, the scene is set at 6.15 PM UK time. Magic Box. Fresh Nadal vs tired and injured Nishi.

BANZAIIIIIIIII!!!!!   diva

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Post by Tenez on Sun May 11, 2014 6:03 pm

I remember that Kei did not play his semi in Miami due to exhaustion or injury. That was not good. I am a bit sceptical of him giving 100% this evening....though I doubt it will change anything anyway.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by ... on Sun May 11, 2014 6:42 pm

I don't do fear, jinxing and superstition...leaving it all to Nadal & co.
Nishi is a better player and he'll win so long as he is fresh and not hurting too much.
Nadal only brings fake confidence and a lot of physical power into this match.
Nishi can deal with both. It's the best of 3.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by Tenez on Sun May 11, 2014 6:48 pm

What a point from Nishi to break!

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