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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:03 am

I feel sorry for Dolgo in fact, this high bounce court is going to be hard work for him, go Dolgo diva

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:03 am

Tenez wrote:I wish I could stay up.....Enjoy...and good night from me.
Good night.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:03 am

Julia Santamaria wrote:Oh ffs, his back must be hurting, he is double faulting again.
Against Stepanek he hit tonnes of DFs.

No, it's age. Trust me...or you!

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Post by BEL19VE on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:03 am

SB, normally matches are ok in terms of time zone, it's US night matches though that are a problem.
Normally the timing is ok.

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:04 am

That was better.

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Post by BEL19VE on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:05 am

Tenez wrote:
Julia Santamaria wrote:Oh ffs, his back must be hurting, he is double faulting again.
Against Stepanek he hit tonnes of DFs.

No, it's age. Trust me...or you!
I'm not saying Federer doesn't have a problem with his back, let me make that clear. I'm saying his back is improving, and age is a factor for decline.

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:07 am

Dolgo is out of challenges now.

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:09 am

Julia Santamaria wrote:SB, normally matches are ok in terms of time zone, it's US night matches though that are a problem.
Normally the timing is ok.
Well, I realize that it is mostly US night matches that are really late for you (I would have to be particularly dense not to), but I have seen you hanging around during those matches quite a lot, that is why I was asking.

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Post by BEL19VE on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:12 am

summerblues wrote:
Julia Santamaria wrote:SB, normally matches are ok in terms of time zone, it's US night matches though that are a problem.
Normally the timing is ok.
Well, I realize that it is mostly US night matches that are really late for you (I would have to be particularly dense not to), but I have seen you hanging around during those matches quite a lot, that is why I was asking.
Well I do like watching Nadal play I suppose. I do get tired during the next day, but there we go.

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:14 am

Pretty odd start to this match.  Having no challenges left could have been costly there.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:14 am

Is it just me, or does Nadal's ball slightly change direction after it bounces on this court?

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Post by BEL19VE on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:15 am

Nadal really struggling on serve, has not won a service game so far, his back is struggling clearly.

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Post by BEL19VE on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:16 am

Incredible reflexes from Nadal there... wow

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:17 am

DOLGO!!!!!! What a phenomenal player  wizard 

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:18 am

First hold.

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Post by BEL19VE on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:19 am

Horrific performance this so far by Nadal... he should take Miami off and rest his back.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:20 am

Larry is looking worried and agitated! Bubbly

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Post by BEL19VE on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:21 am

noleisthebest wrote:Larry is looking worried and agitated! Bubbly
Yeah he looks really stressed.

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Post by bluenose on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:31 am

Stan is that good.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:32 am

When Dolgo plays well, it's pure brilliance! How he manages to serve like he does I'll never know....

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:34 am

smiley

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:41 am

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:43 am

What a set of tennis from Dolgo!!!  Magic cracker surfer chef Applause Bubbly ski artist diva 

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:50 am

Nadal looked pretty poor against Stepanek.  He was better in the first set here but now he is starting to make the same errors as against Stepanek.  His game is very off right now.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:59 am

Dolgo takes the ball so early, Nadal doesn't have time to scratch himself Laugh


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Post by truffin1 on Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:59 am

Julia Santamaria. wrote:
truffin wrote:Whereas before he was hyperagressive, taking the ball absurdly early and creating suffocating pressure on his opponent which resulted in the opponent playing at a lesser leverl-  the opponent now has less (even slightly) pressure and can raise their game and keep close.
Do you think this is due to back or ageing, or something else altogether?

AT this age, more back and loss of confidence than age. I believe age shows up more on defense in Fed's case.   Certainly- he's lost a little bit of laterl movement due to age, but he can compensate for that in other ways.    
I guess the basic answer IMO is both!

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:02 am

I disagree Truffin, to me a fit Fed at 32 is as quick and as good as ever, tennis wise, even better.
Problem is the super slow conditions that are negating his main strength - taking time from his opponents away.
The same as sticking Nadal on fresh grass...

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:05 am

Dolgo's first serve is letting him down badly now...come on Dolgo! diva

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Post by BEL19VE on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:10 am

truffin1 wrote:
Julia Santamaria. wrote:
truffin wrote:Whereas before he was hyperagressive, taking the ball absurdly early and creating suffocating pressure on his opponent which resulted in the opponent playing at a lesser leverl-  the opponent now has less (even slightly) pressure and can raise their game and keep close.
Do you think this is due to back or ageing, or something else altogether?

AT this age, more back and loss of confidence than age. I believe age shows up more on defense in Fed's case.   Certainly- he's lost a little bit of laterl movement due to age, but he can compensate for that in other ways.    
I guess the basic answer IMO is both!
I actually agree with you again; but I would add this:
I think in terms of 'net performance' (which is what we see), Federer has been advantaged by his new racket... so perhaps the effects of ageing are negated a bit.

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Post by truffin1 on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:16 am

I thought I'd tune in after reading the thread of a poor playing Nadal, but he sure looks fine to me.. Doesn't seem hampered a bit.

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Post by truffin1 on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:19 am

Julia Santamaria wrote:
truffin1 wrote:
Julia Santamaria. wrote:
truffin wrote:Whereas before he was hyperagressive, taking the ball absurdly early and creating suffocating pressure on his opponent which resulted in the opponent playing at a lesser leverl-  the opponent now has less (even slightly) pressure and can raise their game and keep close.
Do you think this is due to back or ageing, or something else altogether?

AT this age, more back and loss of confidence than age. I believe age shows up more on defense in Fed's case.   Certainly- he's lost a little bit of laterl movement due to age, but he can compensate for that in other ways.    
I guess the basic answer IMO is both!
I actually agree with you again; but I would add this:
I think in terms of 'net performance' (which is what we see), Federer has been advantaged by his new racket... so perhaps the effects of ageing are negated a bit.

The racquet though has only just brought him in line equipment wise with what the other players have used for year. There is no advantage given by the racquet- it just evens out the equipment deficit that Federer brought to every match--  his GOAT Talent and ability allowed him to get away with that disadvantage.

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Post by truffin1 on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:19 am

Julia Santamaria wrote:
truffin1 wrote:
Julia Santamaria. wrote:
truffin wrote:Whereas before he was hyperagressive, taking the ball absurdly early and creating suffocating pressure on his opponent which resulted in the opponent playing at a lesser leverl-  the opponent now has less (even slightly) pressure and can raise their game and keep close.
Do you think this is due to back or ageing, or something else altogether?

AT this age, more back and loss of confidence than age. I believe age shows up more on defense in Fed's case.   Certainly- he's lost a little bit of laterl movement due to age, but he can compensate for that in other ways.    
I guess the basic answer IMO is both!
I actually agree with you again; but I would add this:
I think in terms of 'net performance' (which is what we see), Federer has been advantaged by his new racket... so perhaps the effects of ageing are negated a bit.

The racquet though has only just brought him in line equipment wise with what the other players have used for year. There is no advantage given by the racquet- it just evens out the equipment deficit that Federer brought to every match--  his GOAT Talent and ability allowed him to get away with that disadvantage.

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:29 am

truffin1 wrote:I thought I'd tune in after reading the thread of a poor playing Nadal, but he sure looks fine to me.. Doesn't seem hampered a bit.
He is playing ok now, and has been playing better than against Stepanek the whole match, but he did have a few odd misses here and there.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:31 am

Just saw the stat where Nadal hit 60% of his balls with 3000rpm. And they were all the safe, mid court ones.
One of these days, his arm will fall off!

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:32 am

summerblues wrote:
truffin1 wrote:I thought I'd tune in after reading the thread of a poor playing Nadal, but he sure looks fine to me.. Doesn't seem hampered a bit.
He is playing ok now, and has been playing better than against Stepanek the whole match, but he did have a few odd misses here and there.
That's because Dolgo is rushing him and making him run.

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:35 am

noleisthebest wrote:That's because Dolgo is rushing him and making him run.
No, I do not think so.  He made a couple of really odd errors from very neutral positions that he normally does not make.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:44 am

Scintillating tennis from Dolgo!
4:2 and serving, GO DOLGO  tennisball 

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:46 am

5:2!

You can do it Dol-Gooooooooo diva

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:02 am

Had to run an errand so I missed the bit from 2:3 to 5:5.  I hope Dolgo somehow scrapes through - how can he get broken to love serving for it?

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:06 am

Sad

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:09 am

Some more bad misses by Rafa.

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:16 am

Yes!!!!

Oh my!

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:16 am

What a lovely start to the 2014 season this has been. smiley

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:17 am

YESSSSSS !!!!!

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Post by truffin1 on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:19 am

It was bound to happen...  So many were coming close but gifting the match to Nadal. Almost happened again, but Dolgo came through.

and once again, Nadal is unable to defend even 1 non clay court title in his whole career.


I think it's Stan's tourney to lose now and Fed has a chance to turn it on.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:20 am

Somersault LG Somersault P Somersault L Somersault V

what a heart!

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:20 am

...and Tenez had gone to bed.  What a shame.

Commiserations Amri.  On the upside, you will not have to do any late-nighters the rest of this week...

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:21 am

noleisthebest wrote:Somersault LG Somersault P Somersault L Somersault V
Hehe

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:22 am

I'm so happy for Dolgo, it would have been tragic for him to have lost this match, he has been due a good win for a long time, wonderful player.

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Post by summerblues on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:23 am

truffin1 wrote:I think it's Stan's tourney to lose now and Fed has a chance to turn it on.
I would not go that far.  Stan has not had a history of winning a tournament after tournament.  He can do it, but I would put 3-4 players ahead of him as the favorites.

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