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Post by noleisthebest Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:16 am

While watching Tsonga - Vasselin match the other day and enjoying Vasselin's bash-free tennis, I realised that I probably would not have seen it if he was playing, say...Mahut.
It only then sadly dawned on me how important charisma is on a tennis court...and why people pay "big bucks" (I have even missed the charismatic voice of Robbie Koening in the last few weeks) to see those players.

So... at last, after that memorable AO Stan-Nadal final which we went over with a fine comb until the last few hairs from the top of Nadal's Oscar performance fell off, charisma is now back with a vengeance!!!!!  

HOURRAAAAAH!!!!!!!! Somersault 

They are all back....ALL OF THEM!!! diva(minus Stan, the man of 2014 so far, but let's not split hairs again) !!!



ATP 500 Dubai, Outdoor Hard

Since its inaugural tournament in 1993, the Dubai Duty Free Tennis Championships has consistently showcased the world's best players in competition and also in spectacular locations around Dubai. In 2005, two ATP World Tour Champions - Andre Agassi and Roger Federer - scaled the Burj Al Arab for a friendly practice session atop the helipad at the iconic hotel. The tournament has won the ATP World Tour 500 award nine times in 10 years (2003-06, 2008-12). Nole going for his 5th title here, trying to equal Federer's record.


Players
Djokovic, Federer, Berdych, Del Potro, Tsonga, Kohlschreiber, Davydenko 
Draw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4115NGKdDA
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http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2014/495/op.pdf

ATP 500 Acapulco, Outdoor Clay

The Abierto Mexicano Telcel, one of 11 ATP World Tour 500 events, concludes the four-tournament "Golden Swing" through Latin America. The event, held at the Fairmont Acapulco Princess, is a favourite destination amongst players - particularly clay court specialists. In 2007, Acapulco won the ATP World Tour award for best tournament of the year in its category. In 2014 the tournament switches to hard court.


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(No Nadal?) Ferrer, Murray, Isner, Nishikori, Simon, Dimitrov, Gulbis, Anderson
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http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2014/807/mds.pdf (not out yet, Toni must still be haggling over his nephew's appearance fees...)
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http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2014/807/op.pdf


ATP 250 Sao Paolo, Outdoor Clay

After 11 successful years in Costa do Sauipe, the Brasil Open moved in 2012 to Sao Paulo, where it was played at the Complexo Desportivo Constâncio Vaz Guimarães. The ATP World Tour 250 clay-court tournament also moved from outdoors to indoors due to regular wet weather in Sao Paulo in February.


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Haas, Almagro, Haase, Bellucci, Lajovic...
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http://www.atpworldtour.com/posting/2014/533/mds.pdf
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Post by noleisthebest Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:32 am

Top 10 this morning:

1 Nadal, Rafael (ESP) 14,580 0 20
2 Djokovic, Novak (SRB) 10,580 0 18
3 Wawrinka, Stanislas (SUI) 5,560 0 25
4 Ferrer, David (ESP) 5,370 0 25
5 Del Potro, Juan Martin (ARG) 4,960 0 21
6 Berdych, Tomas (CZE) 4,890 0 24
7 Murray, Andy (GBR) 4,795 0 20
8 Federer, Roger (SUI) 4,305 0 20
9 Gasquet, Richard (FRA) 2,950 0 25
10 Tsonga, Jo-Wilfried (FRA) 2,785 0      20

Ferrer and Del Potro swap places, Gulbis moves to 18.

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Post by noleisthebest Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:35 am

Match of the day (3 PM UK time)

Federer - Becker

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Post by noleisthebest Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:04 pm

Fed time diva

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Post by noleisthebest Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:26 pm

Some very nice FHs DTL so far.

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Post by Tenez Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:58 pm

The tweener from fed again....so good. Doing it on a fast surface instead of clay where the ball sits up is much harder.

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Post by noleisthebest Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:22 pm

Yes, and the nonchalant ease with which he did it....

This was just what he needed for a first match after a month's break,  almost like a practice session.
David Mercer was in his Fed trance at times Laugh

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Post by noleisthebest Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:39 pm

Looks like Fed has fixed his back, well...at least enough to think/feel he has! Asked whether Nadal can break his slam record:

"Yeah, absolutely. But the good thing is I am still playing and my goal is to add more titles to my count—and not just Grand Slam titles. I love any tennis tournament I play in and Dubai is an important tournament for me.

"I am playing top tennis. For me it’s just a matter of staying healthy, staying consistent and getting to semis and finals. I feel as if I’m in as good a shape as I have been for a year, so that’s very encouraging. I feel my best tennis is around the corner. I know I’ve said that a few times, but this time I really feel it’s the case. I have zero pain and spent a very encouraging month in Dubai training in December. I am confident for the year ahead."


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Post by Tenez Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:40 pm

I listened to it in Italian..."suprima classa, il Maestro, Ultimo talent..." were the words I could pick up.

Though Becker was average and so was Federer by his standard.

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Post by Tenez Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:42 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Looks like Fed has fixed his back, well...at least enough to think/feel he has! Asked whether Nadal can break his slam record:

"Yeah, absolutely. But the good thing is I am still playing and my goal is to add more titles to my count—and not just Grand Slam titles. I love any tennis tournament I play in and Dubai is an important tournament for me.

"I am playing top tennis. For me it’s just a matter of staying healthy, staying consistent and getting to semis and finals. I feel as if I’m in as good a shape as I have been for a year, so that’s very encouraging. I feel my best tennis is around the corner. I know I’ve said that a few times, but this time I really feel it’s the case. I have zero pain and spent a very encouraging month in Dubai training in December. I am confident for the year ahead."

Haven't we heard that before and then in his semi v nadal at that last AO he was the shadow of himself.

But good to see that he believes his best tennis is around the corner.

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Post by noleisthebest Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:47 pm

That was a strange one against Nadal...

Still, I am convinced his best tennis is around the corner. But he really needs matches to get it going and rolling.

His draw here isn't that bad until the SF.

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Post by noleisthebest Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:54 pm

In a strange way, Becker was just too slow for him today, apart from a few serves, there was zero challenge.
A win against Tsonga/Delpo/Berd type of players would get him closer.
He needs a match against a quality counter-puncher like Simon, but they all seem to be in Acapulco this week.

It feels like the real season has just begun.

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Post by Tenez Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:05 pm

yes now is tennis season. Well March should be. Wasn't Dubai in April in the recent past?

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Post by noleisthebest Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:25 pm

No, from memory.
But then again, my memory these days... Blush

Who do you think is going to win this week?

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Post by Tenez Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:00 pm

I don't even know who's playing.....

well looking at the OP, it's got to be between Djoko, Fed and Delpo. I think Fed could do it actually.

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Post by N2D2L Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:13 pm

No Dubai was always this time of year as far as I can remember.

noleisthebest wrote:Looks like Fed has fixed his back, well...at least enough to think/feel he has! Asked whether Nadal can break his slam record:

"Yeah, absolutely."
Dear me, Federer talking nonsense on both counts.
Firstly claiming that Nadal can beat his GS record, which is as realistic as saying people can fly to the moon simply because they have swine flu.
Then the stuff about 'best tennis around the corner' he said earlier in the year... that's simply not the case. He's declining now, his best tennis is not around the corner.
However he is still playing 'top' tennis, ie his tennis is in the top 4 or so at his best.

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Post by Tenez Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:08 pm

Julia Santamaria wrote:No Dubai was always this time of year as far as I can remember.

noleisthebest wrote:Looks like Fed has fixed his back, well...at least enough to think/feel he has! Asked whether Nadal can break his slam record:

"Yeah, absolutely."
Dear me, Federer talking nonsense on both counts.
Firstly claiming that Nadal can beat his GS record, which is as realistic as saying people can fly to the moon simply because they have swine flu.
Then the stuff about 'best tennis around the corner' he said earlier in the year... that's simply not the case. He's declining now, his best tennis is not around the corner.
However he is still playing 'top' tennis, ie his tennis is in the top 4 or so at his best.
Trying to jinx again?

I think his best tennis is still the best out there....simply cause it is still in his racquet. He has the best shots and it's simply a question of form. However I agree that in terms of producing his best consitently, top 4 is probably right.....though I'd say top 3 to be more precise.

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Post by N2D2L Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:24 pm

Tenez wrote:However I agree that in terms of producing his best consitently, top 4 is probably right.....though I'd say top 3 to be more precise.
Who would you have ahead of him?

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Post by truffin1 Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:52 pm

Did anyone see the Tweener point!? 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ILol6Ea3Y


If you take what Fed said about best tennis around the corner in context with other comments he has made about understanding he is out of prime now--  pretty sure he means his best tennis that he is currently capable of at this age and point in his career is around the corner-  not so much we are going to see Federer at the best level he's ever played ever again.

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Post by N2D2L Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:25 pm

truffin1 wrote:
If you take what Fed said about best tennis around the corner in context with other comments he has made about understanding he is out of prime now--  pretty sure he means his best tennis that he is currently capable of at this age and point in his career is around the corner-  not so much we are going to see Federer at the best level he's ever played ever again.
In that case his comment is fair.

It's just that NITB indicated, and I remember some headlines on espn, saying Federer's claim was 'his best tennis was around the corner' but I guess we have to apply some context.

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Post by N2D2L Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:26 pm

And I saw that point earlier Truffin, superb stuff from Federer, anyone who can pull off a hotdog lob is a genius.

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Post by Daniel Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:29 pm

It wouldn't matter if Nadal did beat 17 GS, the reason is this:

Federer would still hold 7 at the greatest Slam, and would have more titles at US and Australian Open. Therefore Federer will always have more Slams at 3 of them, and on two surfaces, vs Nadal.. with just one Slam dominated, and one surface.

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Post by N2D2L Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:31 pm

People talking about Nadal getting to 17 Laugh

He's not getting past 13.

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Post by noleisthebest Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:42 pm

Tenez wrote:I don't even know who's playing.....

well looking at the OP, it's got to be between Djoko, Fed and Delpo. I think Fed could do it actually.

Fed thinks Berd is the main favourite. Not sure if that's just his pre tourney Nole wind-up trash-talk though... Whistle 

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Post by truffin1 Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:52 pm

Julia Santamaria wrote:People talking about Nadal getting to 17 Laugh

He's not getting past 13.
He'll end up with 15-16,  Federer 18.

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Post by noleisthebest Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:57 pm

truffin1 wrote: If you take what Fed said about best tennis around the corner in context with other comments he has made about understanding he is out of prime now--  pretty sure he means his best tennis that he is currently capable of at this age and point in his career is around the corner-  not so much we are going to see Federer at the best level he's ever played ever again.

I actually really think his best tennis is round the corner, not just best "for his age".

His game has become so rich and abundant over the years, add his talent and creativity to it which only compounds and enhances it and you have one very fine and complex game that needs a bit of time to get it all going. But once it gets going...there will be no stopping.

He has not enjoyed a continuity in full health for a long time last year, but looks like he is back on track in that area.
And if he is healthy and stays that way, I really see him playing his best ever tennis around Wimbledon.

He will need a few things to go his way, maybe gentler draws to get him to SFs and Fs before RG in order to build and consolidate his confidence, as that's probably the most fragile element still.

I don't know how that is supposed to happen, my guess is just playing lots and letting the game shape itself out. Maybe a few good matches against quality counter-punchers could hone the game...followed by an inspirational match, like that 2011 RG SF, I don't know...it's almost an uncharted territory, really. We have never had a player like him who has had to play in this kind of conditions.

My only question mark was the new racquet, but he seems to have benefitted from it, although at times it feels like some sharpness is missing.

So, I hope things go well for him and he gets that game rolling soon.
And when that happens, it will be tennis we have not yet seen from him. I just know. He has so much to offer.
He knows it, too.

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Post by Tenez Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:06 pm

Julia Santamaria wrote:
Tenez wrote:However I agree that in terms of producing his best consitently, top 4 is probably right.....though I'd say top 3 to be more precise.
Who would you have ahead of him?
On consistency alone.....Nadal and Djko.....I think he can take care of the others more often than not.

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Post by Tenez Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:10 pm

truffin1 wrote:Did anyone see the Tweener point!? 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1ILol6Ea3Y


If you take what Fed said about best tennis around the corner in context with other comments he has made about understanding he is out of prime now--  pretty sure he means his best tennis that he is currently capable of at this age and point in his career is around the corner-  not so much we are going to see Federer at the best level he's ever played ever again.
At 32 you are still very close to your best physically (unless injured/back/etc...) though technically and timing wise you still improve so I think he means what he means....especially with this bigger racquet.

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Post by Tenez Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:12 pm

Julia Santamaria wrote:And I saw that point earlier Truffin, superb stuff from Federer, anyone who can pull off a hotdog lob is a genius.
So I must be one....and another guy in my club did it too. The fast is it does not mean anything....otherwise Fed and Nadal would keep doing it on every point...but they don't do they?

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Post by Tenez Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:14 pm

Julia Santamaria wrote:People talking about Nadal getting to 17 Laugh

He's not getting past 13.

Comes a time when jinxing turns against you....I think that time has now come.

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Post by Tenez Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:15 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:I don't even know who's playing.....

well looking at the OP, it's got to be between Djoko, Fed and Delpo. I think Fed could do it actually.

Fed thinks Berd is the main favourite. Not sure if that's just his pre tourney Nole wind-up trash-talk though... Whistle 

Really? may God help Federer not turn into a McEnroe kind commentator!

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Post by N2D2L Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:17 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:I don't even know who's playing.....

well looking at the OP, it's got to be between Djoko, Fed and Delpo. I think Fed could do it actually.

Fed thinks Berd is the main favourite. Not sure if that's just his pre tourney Nole wind-up trash-talk though... Whistle 
If that's true then LOL. His analysis is starting to do down the drain.

Firstly the Nadal prediction nonsense, and then this!

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Post by N2D2L Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:18 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:I don't even know who's playing.....

well looking at the OP, it's got to be between Djoko, Fed and Delpo. I think Fed could do it actually.

Fed thinks Berd is the main favourite. Not sure if that's just his pre tourney Nole wind-up trash-talk though... Whistle 

Really? may God help Federer not turn into a McEnroe kind commentator!
Or he can go for the Simon Reed combo:
Winner of last Slam= Undisputed GOAT

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Post by Tenez Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:25 pm

Julia Santamaria wrote:Or he can go for the Simon Reed combo:
Winner of last Slam= Undisputed GOAT

I can agree to that. The one who won the last slam is the one who beat the best players and is therefore the best.

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Post by N2D2L Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:27 pm

Tenez wrote:
Julia Santamaria wrote:Or he can go for the Simon Reed combo:
Winner of last Slam= Undisputed GOAT

I can agree to that. The one who won the last slam is the one who beat the best players and is therefore the best.
And someone who's best at a particular point in time is undisputed GOAT?

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Post by noleisthebest Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:27 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Fed thinks Berd is the main favourite. Not sure if that's just his pre tourney Nole wind-up trash-talk though... Whistle 
Really? may God help Federer not turn into a McEnroe kind commentator!

 Grr

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Post by Tenez Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:40 pm

Julia Santamaria wrote:
Tenez wrote:
Julia Santamaria wrote:Or he can go for the Simon Reed combo:
Winner of last Slam= Undisputed GOAT

I can agree to that. The one who won the last slam is the one who beat the best players and is therefore the best.
And someone who's best at a particular point in time is undisputed GOAT?
well certainly a pretender for the undisputed "BEST" which in a way can be a pretender for GAOT.


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Post by Tenez Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:45 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
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noleisthebest wrote:
Fed thinks Berd is the main favourite. Not sure if that's just his pre tourney Nole wind-up trash-talk though... Whistle 
Really? may God help Federer not turn into a McEnroe kind commentator!

 Grr
Well he sees Djoko as the favourite.....And I agree. So Federer is no Mac yet...thanks for that!

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Post by noleisthebest Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:51 pm

Julia Santamaria wrote:
And someone who's best at a particular point in time is undisputed GOAT?

You really are desperate for Nadal to be GOAT, aren't you?
The guy who stood 10m behind the baseline to receive a serve from Dolgopolov?
No chance...

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Post by noleisthebest Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:55 pm

Tenez wrote: Well he sees Djoko as the favourite.....And I agree. So Federer is no Mac yet...thanks for that!
I was sure he said Berdych, will listen to it again Blush

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Post by N2D2L Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:00 am

Tenez wrote:
Julia Santamaria wrote:
Tenez wrote:
Julia Santamaria wrote:Or he can go for the Simon Reed combo:
Winner of last Slam= Undisputed GOAT

I can agree to that. The one who won the last slam is the one who beat the best players and is therefore the best.
And someone who's best at a particular point in time is undisputed GOAT?
well certainly a pretender for the undisputed "BEST" which in a way can be a pretender for GAOT.

Is that a really long winded way of saying yes or no?

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Post by N2D2L Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:02 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Julia Santamaria wrote:
And someone who's best at a particular point in time is undisputed GOAT?

You really are desperate for Nadal to be GOAT, aren't you?
The guy who stood 10m behind the baseline to receive a serve from Dolgopolov?
No chance...

You're really desperate for Spain to win the 2014 football world cup, aren't you?
Politics in Ukraine is really getting heated isn't it.
No chance...

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Post by noleisthebest Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:03 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote: Well he sees Djoko as the favourite.....And I agree. So Federer is no Mac yet...thanks for that!
I was sure he said Berdych, will listen to it again  Blush

Just did and am glad I still haven't completely lost it!
When I posted these two links the other day,  the audio cut right after Federer mentioned Berdych, and then restarted automatically and I never heard the rest of the interview then, but they must've fixed it since.
Same with Nole's.

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Post by noleisthebest Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:16 am

Julia Santamaria wrote: You're really desperate for Spain to win the 2014 football world cup, aren't you?
Politics in Ukraine is really getting heated isn't it.
No chance...

I hope you realise this is not funny in the least.

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Post by N2D2L Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:30 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Julia Santamaria wrote: You're really desperate for Spain to win the 2014 football world cup, aren't you?
Politics in Ukraine is really getting heated isn't it.
No chance...

I hope you realise this is not funny in the least.
It wasn't meant to be funny, I was demonstrating a point...

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Post by noleisthebest Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:36 am

Yeah, pure dadaism...

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Post by N2D2L Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:47 am

Nope nothing to do with dadaism.
Let me try again.


You're really desperate for David Cameron to get re-elected aren't you?
Oh wow, I just urinated on my toilet water which had blue detergent, and now it's turned green!
No chance...

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Post by noleisthebest Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:51 am

Julia Santamaria wrote:Nope nothing to do with dadaism.
Let me try again.


You're really desperate for David Cameron to get re-elected aren't you?
Oh wow, I just urinated on my toilet water which had blue detergent, and now it's turned green!
No chance...

To laugh or cry?
That is the question....

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Post by Daniel Tue Feb 25, 2014 2:31 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Julia Santamaria wrote:
And someone who's best at a particular point in time is undisputed GOAT?

You really are desperate for Nadal to be GOAT, aren't you?
The guy who stood 10m behind the baseline to receive a serve from Dolgopolov?
No chance...

Let me help you out once again "Julia"

Federer: Leads Wimbledon Titles
Leads Australian Open Titles
Leads US Open Titles

That's two of the three surfaces, and three of the four Slams. And Nadal will never ever match it. So give in. Your hero has lost.

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