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Post by gallery play on Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:30 am

The Dutch commentator is talking about the influence Edberg already has on Fed's game..that's quite far stretched, isn't it?

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:40 am

If I can notice any difference is that his attacking & volleying is not rushed any more and fits quite smoothly into the game now, despite the court being slow.
He is looking relaxed after a long time.

He now needs to be tested against a road-runner Winking

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Post by gallery play on Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:41 am

noleisthebest wrote:If I can notice any difference is that his attacking & volleying is not rushed any more and fits quite smoothly into the game now, despite the court being slow.
He is looking relaxed after a long time.

He now needs to be tested against a road-runner Winking
I think he'll beat Murray

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Post by gallery play on Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:49 am

First BP of the match for Tsonga..

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Post by gallery play on Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:49 am

and he misses the second serve return

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:50 am

Me, too.
If he had the FH firing or the courts were faster he could deal with Nadal as well.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:53 am

Doesn't Edberg look youthful compared to Becker and Lendl?

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Post by gallery play on Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:54 am

Not easy to withstand a going for broke Tsonga, but i think he'll serve this out

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:54 am

I'd like to see Fed win this match by breaking Tsonga.

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Post by summerblues on Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:59 am

Nicely done. Tsonga was not at his best but Roger looked very solid. If he plays like this, he should take care of Andy.

Back to sleep for me now.

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Post by gallery play on Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:59 am

Quite a difference compared with their previous slam encounters

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Post by Daniel on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:02 am

Dimitrov v Federer would be a great match.  Nadal v Murray would put the fans with any imagination to sleep.

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Post by gallery play on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:07 am

"I don't go into matches unprepared like i used to.."

That's a bit of swedish professionalism for you  Winking

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Post by paulcz on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:08 am

That is a typical Fed again, when his back is ok, he belongs to ones who can win it  Thumbs Up  
That is a shame that his draw is the worst out of all.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:22 am

Fed wins and how!! diva

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:23 am

gallery play wrote:The Dutch commentator is talking about the influence Edberg already has on Fed's game..that's quite far stretched, isn't it?

Yep...not believe so yet....and frankly, I always considered Fed's coaches as friendly support advisers. It's so strange to think that a coach like Annacone was advising him to stick to the old racquet. Really weird...when most of us new.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:23 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Fed wins and how!! diva

Yes, he's 22 again! diva

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:24 am

gallery play wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:If I can notice any difference is that his attacking & volleying is not rushed any more and fits quite smoothly into the game now, despite the court being slow.
He is looking relaxed after a long time.

He now needs to be tested against a road-runner Winking
I think he'll beat Murray

Really??? That would really surprise me.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:25 am

paulcz wrote:That is a typical Fed again, when his back is ok, he belongs to ones who can win it  Thumbs Up  
That is a shame that his draw is the worst out of all.

Its okay Paul, Fed playing well is good enough for the start of the year. He was quite poor for a major part of 2013. His draw has been terrible I agree. But If he keeps playing well, he surely will get his chances.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:26 am

From what I saw of Murray against Robert today, he has fully committed Nadal way, the result of which is extra pace on his serve and BH.
But the game, still the same old pushing...

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:27 am

paulcz wrote:That is a typical Fed again, when his back is ok, he belongs to ones who can win it Thumbs Up  
That is a shame that his draw is the worst out of all.

Always what I said....This aging bit will come into effect probably this year or next year even....but that was not the reason for his losses last year.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:30 am

noleisthebest wrote:From what I saw of Murray against Robert today, he has fully committed Nadal way, the result of which is extra pace on his serve and BH.
But the game, still the same old pushing...

The other similarity is they are both displaying a large balding patch at the top....

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:57 am

noleisthebest wrote:From what I saw of Murray against Robert today, he has fully committed Nadal way, the result of which is extra pace on his serve and BH.
But the game, still the same old pushing...

It was always going to be. Murray really admired Nadal and it showed in all his interviews. Nadal's game is more doable than Fed's, and Success it brought was inspiring for Murray.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:58 am

noleisthebest wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:From what I saw of Murray against Robert today, he has fully committed Nadal way, the result of which is extra pace on his serve and BH.
But the game, still the same old pushing...

The other similarity is they are both displaying a large balding patch at the top....

Is the Balding patch on the head so bad Sad ?

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:59 am

Do you use steroids rotla? Winking

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:11 pm

Tsonga sums up Fed very nicely:

"Q.  Did you feel your serve did not work out well, or was it just Roger to return well?
JO WILFRIED TSONGA:  I played good tennis, but maybe I didn't serve enough good.  But that's it.  Everything in my game, you know, was there.  I was pretty strong on my baseline.

But he took the ball very early today, and he was always taking my time.  I don't know how to say that.  Because he took so ball so early, I don't have time to, you know, play my game.  And that's it."

Imagine if the courts were really fast!

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:26 pm

I was about to put exactly the same quote....I still have it in my clipboard! "Q.  Did you feel your serve did not work out well, or was it just Roger to return well?
JO WILFRIED TSONGA:  I played good tennis, but maybe I didn't serve enough good.  But that's it.  Everything in my game, you know, was there.  I was pretty strong on my baseline.
 
But he took the ball very early today, and he was always taking my time.  I don't know how to say that.  Because he took so ball so early, I don't have time to, you know, play my game.  And that's it."
 
 
But it is the bigger frame again which seriously helps in that department!

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:51 pm

Bizarre quote from Fed:

Q. The other day Novak said he thought the mental aspect of the game these days was the most difficult to overcome. Rafa said it was the physical. Where do you stand on that? Obviously earlier in your career you had a lot of emotion, and then you quickly put that away. Is the mental side the more difficult to overcome?
ROGER FEDERER: I honestly think it depends on the player's character, doesn't it? Me, it took me longer, the mental side. The physical side was something I think nobody should have any regrets because everybody can work hard. That shouldn't be an excuse, a guy not being fit or for a guy not giving everything he has, running for every ball.

Sure, at times you need to pace yourself, all that stuff. But everybody should be able to move well, because there is no such secret, like a certain way of practice that's going to make you fast. Everybody does it different.

Spanish do it different to the Americans. Americans do it different to the Australians. I don't know what the Swiss do, but we do something. Everybody does something different when it comes to that.

Then the mental part is something that only over time do you embrace the big moments; center courts; live TV; the pressure of being that next best guy and people thinking life is easy; you're going to be world No. 1 anyway; you're going to make a lot of money.

How is that to overcome? I think that can be very difficult for some, plus the traveling and all that, the pressure. But for me, I don't know, it was not crazy, but it did take a toll on me because I was supposed to make a break so early. I was supposed to become world No. 1 at some point.

At the same age, guys like Safin, Roddick, Lleyton, they all did it before me. So sure, I was questioning myself in the process as well.

I think coaching is important in the beginning to teach you the proper technique, because if you have flaws in your technique, that's something maybe that's very hard to change down the stretch. So I guess it depends in phases where you look at it. "

Rafa is clearly saying that the challenge is physique and he is bloody right. Djoko is also right cause since he is fit enough to challenge Rafa, the mental side comes into effect much more than versus not as fit opponents. But yet he needs to push himself mentally to run an extra ball while for Nadal it's all down to that fitness.

Federer really surprises me here as he seems to say that everybody should be very fit without questioning of course why some are twice as fit as he is (despite admitting he is himself super fit).

I guess he wants to block the possibility of cheaters out.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:07 pm

Problem is the wide misinterpretation of the word  "mental".
Nadal thinks "mental" strength means focus, Fed refers to experience and being able to handle emotions and pressure, Nole similar to him.

I think he took the physical question with no guile at all, talking clearly about standardl fitness regime, i.e., that's one thing everyone can control if they work hard (hence that criticism of Nole in AO 2009), and he obviously thought that the "mental" side was not something you can handle like physical fitness, but it comes kind of on its own, with time and maturity.

I don't think he even thought about the mental aspect as a component of the game, probably because of the way the question was put to him - i.e. the response to other players' response.

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Post by laverfan on Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:12 pm

Old Man played well today. Tsonga should have kept a bit more focus in the third set. Tough match with Murray next, and very physical, despite Murray's surgery.

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Post by summerblues on Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:16 pm

Tenez wrote:it;'s not vintage Federer yet. His FH has become even loopier, due I guess for lack of confidence....and also tactical I guess.
I would guess it is more tactical. Did they not say he wanted to get more spin with his new racquet?

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Post by summerblues on Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:21 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I must admit, it's a new experience to watch Fed play his FH cautiously, the full-on version is what's been missing from the complete package.
I though his FH was fine. In fact, I thought the way he played yesterday was exactly the way he should play Rafa, should they both get that far. He should take something off his FH rather than keep blasting it "full-on" vs Rafa.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:41 pm

I think he took the pace off mainly because the racquet is powerful and he is not confident with it like he used to be with the old one.

His flat pacy FH is his trademark and a very important part of his game.

Today was the first time with the new racquet he didn't send it flying.
Because he hits it early and flat it has pace anyway, so it looked good, but that was not the old FH, which I am sure we'll see more of in the coming matches and tournaments.

This part of his interview was quite telling, he was asked about his aggressive net game:

"You talk about it. The question is, Can you do it? Does Jo allow you to? Is he serving too big? How is he returning? It depends a little bit on how the match goes."


So, maybe he just felt he didn't need to go for it today, he was inside the court a lot not on the base-line needing to grind and paint the lines.
It all clicked very nicely, though.

Against Murray it will be a different story, he may need to commit to FH fully and mix it up a bit more. I hope it all happens for him as it would be a shame to go a step behind with his confidence at this stage.


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Post by luvsports! on Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:44 pm

CELEBRATE GOOD TIMES FEDERER DUD UDUDUDUDUDUDUDUDU DUDDUUUUU YE!
So happy he won and how!
Keep it up feds only 3 herculean fitness freaks to go!

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:47 pm

summerblues wrote:
Tenez wrote:it;'s not vintage Federer yet. His FH has become even loopier, due I guess for lack of confidence....and also tactical I guess.
I would guess it is more tactical.  Did they not say he wanted to get more spin with his new racquet?

more spin does not necessarily means loopier though typically it does. More spin might mean better angles while still keeping close to net and lines....or simply safer shots...even if aiming for same height over the net and depth.

So yes certainly partly tactical but I think I also noticed a lack of confidence on that side as if he was not sure how loopy his FH would get on every shot...and on the other hand we can all see the added confidence on his BH. He even talks about it today in his pressie.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:49 pm

luvsports! wrote:...Keep it up feds only 3 herculean fitness freaks to go!
 
Well summed up!

Remember when we thought Nadal was an exceptional physical phenomenon? now we have at least 3!

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Post by luvsports! on Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:00 pm

Was this the best anyone has seen feds since say cincy vs nadal?

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:09 pm

I was not particularly impressed by Fed today and did not see him v Nadal at cincy....However I admit he played solid. I think it was a bit breezy and Tsonga gave him a few free points on key points.

However I am certainly more hopeful than I was last year at the same stage. I have the feeling things can click in again at any time ....they did not quite click today though...Just very soilid.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:28 pm

I haven't seen Cincy either, but I'd say this was the smoothest match he has played with the new racquet from start to finish.
Fed's game is complex so many things need to happen before it starts to shine in its full glory, the most obvious one for me today was his relatively cautiously struck FH.
Fed and cautious just do not go together, do they?
Still, better cautious than rash.
Although the game was harmonious and worked it looked like a rough version of his Deluxe edition, it lacked a bit of its usual breath-taking factor, again mainly on his FH, and a little bit on the BH as well.
Maybe even a touch of light-footedness, but that's nit-picking at this stage where he is clearly making huge strides in his confidence department.
But considering all the previous matches, this was an excellent step in the right direction.
A win over Murray would be really good.

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Post by truffin1 on Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:36 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I haven't seen Cincy either, but I'd say this was the smoothest match he has played with the new racquet from start to finish.
Fed's game is complex so many things need to happen before it starts to shine in its full glory, the most obvious one for me today was his relatively cautiously struck FH.
Fed and cautious just do not go together, do they?
Still, better cautious than rash.
Although the game was harmonious and worked it looked like a rough version of his Deluxe edition, it lacked a bit of its usual breath-taking factor, again mainly on his FH, and a little bit on the BH as well.
Maybe even a touch of light-footedness, but that's nit-picking at this stage where he is clearly making huge strides in his confidence department.
But considering all the previous matches, this was an excellent step in the right direction.
A win over Murray would be really good.
Great conversation here guy.. I'm still loopy myself from getting up at 3am only to see Nadal slogging his way through a match and having to wait until 4am for he Fed start..

Fed was extremely focused last night. Might have been the most focused from start to finish since the French victory over Nole 2011.  It wasn't vintage Federer like the commentators love to go on about, but it was a very tactical Federer. I loved how he was clear in what he wanted to do and went out and did it.  It was a joy to watch him clearly feeling confident in himself even if he was still a bit cautious going full on with the new racquet.

I mentioned the other day- Courier came up with some stats that so far this year,  Fed is hitting a couple MPH lower on his avg serve and groundstrokes with the new racquet compared to even last year. Courier read it as a lack of full confidence and it was somewhat surprising since most are talking about his new found "easy power" He def can ramp up the serve pace when he wants easier than the past couple of years though. 

I too laugh at how overblown the Edberg effect is being made out to be by the commentators. To hear Brad Gilbert and Patrick McEnroe talk- Edberg has been able to completely overhaul the GOATS game in a week...  nonsense..  wasn't Annacone also a serve and volley guru and extremely aggressive?. Edberg showed up the day before the tournament started. Even Federer said their wasn't anything Edberg could do to tweak Fed's game at this point but was there to serve as inspiration and give his opinions on tactics-- which might be where he is helping... but he hasn't "taught" Federer how to volley for goodness sakes as the commentators would have us believe. Poor Luthi gets no credit as well...

My only concern is Fed played as well as I've seen him play in over a year-- better than Cinci.. and while he was in complete control- he certainly didn't pull away from Tsonga. The margin isn't that great-- is that enough to beat Murray, maybe........... Nadal-- that's a tough ask as the matchup issues and demons come back into play then.   I'm happy for Fed though.. The right draw, some luck- he is showing he can still make a run......  Imagine if he had the draw Agassi got in his two last AO wins?  It can happen.

btw- Nadal got busted for being coached again.  Toni doing his touching face signals as usual... Nadal sarcastically says to the umpire according to the comm "It doesn't matter what toni says" lol

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:47 pm

truffin1 wrote:My only concern is Fed played as well as I've seen him play in over a year-- better than Cinci.. and while he was in complete control- he certainly didn't pull away from Tsonga. The margin isn't that great-- is that enough to beat Murray, maybe........... Nadal-- that's a tough ask as the matchup issues and demons come back into play then.   I'm happy for Fed though.. The right draw, some luck- he is showing he can still make a run......  Imagine if he had the draw Agassi got in his two last AO wins?  It can happen.

I think the improved, more solid BH will be key against Nadal. That side has been Federer's downfall during all his career and having a bit more power and confidence from that side should make things interesting. Maybe not now as it is a bit early in the season...but down the line.

The key is not so much the ability to hit hard BH DTL v Nadal....but knowing it can be done. Nadal was simply too confident that Fed can (maybe could) not hurt him from that side and meant that Nadal was allowed to cover his FH with ease. If suddenly forays can be made from the BH side, then Nadal's positioning will be a bit harder.

Added to that it will be a bit easier for Fed with his new racquet to take the ball early...so since the matches were quite close in Cincy and London...things could be interesting on Friday...if he .....should I say both, get there.

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Post by luvsports! on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:20 pm

45 odd winners from feds to just 21 UE's, thats encouraging!

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Post by luvsports! on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:26 pm

Feds interview from a few days back. 
He's like a kid at xmas talking about having Stefan in his box!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQSIsxfPk7A

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Post by paulcz on Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:44 pm

I couldn't have watched Fed's match online so I watched that match from a record and here are some perceptions.
Fed deservedly won. He was better player all that match. I was surprised how good footwork Fed has again, which goes in hand with his great game anticipation. His game was a right mix of net approaches and ground strokes, even many were defensive. Although his FH lost his former power, on the other hand he plays with more spin and also better ball control. Fed served also more with kick, which worked really well against Jo-Wi. Decisive factors were Fed’s various game, great move and anticipaton supported very good tactic with playing shorter volleys into Jo-Wi backhand and balls played into the opposite Jo-Wi returning direction and overall better serve.
Jo-Wi looked quite frustrated the whole match. He was ready for hitting heavy calibres, but he could not get many chances to realize it. He does not like game rhytm changes and therefore he got lost his composure completely. Fed outrun Jo-Wi pretty clearly, which resulted in a one-sided performance.

What to expect for next match with Murray? Fed has definitely chance, but the question mark is whether his back will hold whole the match, whether his more runnish style will not cost him back trouble again. Murray will keep the ball much longer in rallies, he is able to bring more variety into the game, has much better legs than Jo-Wi. There is also a question mark about Murray’s back and his stamina for five sets.
My guess is that who will win his second set will be the winner. Chances of both are open, but one who stays healthier and fresher is going to be the winner. It will be actually the match between their backs  Angry 

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