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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:13 pm

Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, London, indoor hard
Best Of The Best
Only the best eight singles players and best eight doubles teams of the season qualify for the prestigious Barclays ATP World Tour Finals, which will be staged at The O2 arena in London for a fifth straight year in 2013. The singles champion will be presented The Brad Drewett Trophy, in memory of the ATP Executive Chairman and President who passed away on 3 May 2013.



The draw is out and I CAN'T BELIEVE IT!!!
In group A we have 4 players who have never won this tournament, and have one final between them.
In group B, we have two players with 8 titles and 2 additional finals.
Someone should hang his/their heads in shame for this, it's demoralising and disgusting.
Why don't they just hand Nadal the trophy now and get us all out of this charade and misery....a plastic trophy for his fake, plastic career, of course.

Group A                                  
Nadal                                                
Ferrer                                                
Berdych                                              
Wawrinka                                      

Group B
Djokovic
Del Potro
Federer
Gasquet


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Post by DEC1M8 on Sat Nov 02, 2013 2:17 pm

PMSL

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Post by Tenez on Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:03 pm

That is ridiculous ..If they had wanted to make it easier for Nadal they simply could not. So annoying once again. It's like today...playing Ferrer....what a joke!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:18 pm

Tenez wrote:That is ridiculous ..If they had wanted to make it easier for Nadal they simply could not. So annoying once again. It's like today...playing Ferrer....what a joke!
I know, I feel utterly disgusted, horrible and furious at the same time Wah 

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Post by Tenez on Sat Nov 02, 2013 4:43 pm

But as some sais it might give Nadal a tougher semi....which is good.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Nov 02, 2013 7:45 pm

Shedule of play is coming out tomorrow.
Does anyone know at least whether group A or B open on Monday?
It's logical that group A start first, group B is so good all 3 days off RR should be great, I reckon group A is going to have O2 half-empty.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:30 pm

I think one reason to trick the draw (if that's the case) is to make sure nadal goes deep in the tournament....and If the organisers want that it's not because they love him it's because the crowd do! So I think you can expect as much crowd if not more for his group than for the other......imo.

However I agree the tennis fans are more likely to be attending the Novak group.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:42 pm

http://www1.skysports.com/tennis/news/12110/9005122/atp-world-tour-finals-novak-djokovic-to-meet-roger-federer-in-group-stage-in-london

Order od play out for Monday & Tuesday

MONDAY
afternoon session
Berdych-Wawrinka

evening session
Del Potro-Gasquet

TUESDAY
afternoon session
Nadal-Ferrer

evening session
Djokovic-Federer

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Post by summerblues on Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:43 am

Tenez wrote:But as some sais it might give Nadal a tougher semi....which is good.
Yes, I think the draw does not necessarily make it that much easier for him to win WTF.  He is almost guaranteed a tough SF now, while winner of group B may end up playing Ferrer in their SF.

However, the draw does make it easier for him to secure YE #1 spot.  Even if Nole gains maximum possible points (Paris/London/Davis Cup), Rafa only needs to win two round robin matches to be #1.  If he had Roger and Delpo in his group, he could have conceivably lost to both of them.  However, it is hard to see him losing two matches in his group now.

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Post by SayonaRa on Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:50 am

Even if nadal losses to Ferru again, he's most likely to win vs Berd & Wari. Looks like he's almost guaranteed the YE #1 spot with these 2 potential RR wins, but unlikely to win the title match vs any of the Group B top 3.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:47 am

noleisthebest wrote:

In group A we have 4 players who have never won this tournament, and have one final between them.
 Actually they have 2 finals between them. Nadal 2010 and Ferrer 2007 .

But it still looks a ridiculous draw heavily one sided.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Nov 03, 2013 10:20 pm

SR wrote:Even if nadal losses to Ferru again, he's most likely to win vs Berd & Wari. Looks like he's almost guaranteed the YE #1 spot with these 2 potential RR wins, but unlikely to win the title match vs any of the Group B top 3.
I believe Nadal only needs one RR win to secure the top spot...and Djoko cannot lose a single one. tough if not impossible task.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:14 am

Let me add some Prediction game for this thread:


1. Berdych[6] -Wawrinka [8]


My pick: Wawrinka


2. Del Potro[4] -Gasquet[8]


My pick: delpotro.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:18 am

Again the heart over the mind Rotla! I admire your courage. Winking

I'd say Wawrinka (2) & Nadal(1). (Ferrer happy with his final in Paris will be too tired to fight this week.

Then Delpo(2) v Djoko(1). Fed with a good chance though.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:24 am

Tenez wrote:Again the heart over the mind Rotla! I admire your courage. Winking

I'd say Wawrinka (2) & Nadal(1). (Ferrer happy with his final in Paris will be too tired to fight this week.

Then Delpo(2) v Djoko(1).  Fed with a good chance though.
Tenez, I didn't get your picks.

Did you mean:

Today:
Wawrinka & Delpo

Tomorrow:

Nadal & Fed

Is it correct?

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Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:31 am

No I meant to qualify for semi....sorry I did not realise your pickes were about today's matches. I though they woudl not start polaying until later this week. Let me check who is playing today.

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Post by DEC1M8 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:33 am

Stan and Del Potro are gonna win.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:33 am

Ok....Now I actually agree with your picks. Same (Stan and Delpo).

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Post by SayonaRa on Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:41 pm

Tenez wrote:
SR wrote:Even if nadal losses to Ferru again, he's most likely to win vs Berd & Wari. Looks like he's almost guaranteed the YE #1 spot with these 2 potential RR wins, but unlikely to win the title match vs any of the Group B top 3.
I believe Nadal only needs one RR win to secure the top spot...and Djoko cannot lose a single one. tough if not impossible task.
Hang on, can't find it now, but pretty sure he needs two RR wins, not one, according to various sources I saw.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:05 pm

Hope you are right but I understand that Nadal is over 1400 ahead of Djokovic this morning. If he wins one RR he will be over 1600, with only a max 1500 to take for Djoko.

Maybe Nadal is going to lose some DC points...that's the only reason I can think of.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:29 pm

I think I understand. Nadal gets a 0 on a 500 tournament for not having played one post USO. It means he drops 300 points (the lowest 500 played).

So he is "only" a bit more than 1100 points ahead of Djoko.

What I don;t understand is that the 300 points have not dropped yet.
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PS...Wrong actually he did play Beijing (after USO)...so I 'd lke to know where you read he needs 2 RR wins. I can only one as being needed.

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Post by SayonaRa on Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:45 pm

The latest I read is this:

"If Rafael Nadal, who is ranked No. 1, wins two matches at the World Tour Finals, which begin Monday in London, it will be enough to clinch the year-end crown.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/04/sports/tennis/djokovic-rallies-twice-against-ferrer-to-win-paris-masters.html?ref=todayspaper


(NB: I’ve posted this link in the more relevant NOVAK DJOKOVICH thread earlier.)
 
What about Basel? Were some points not deducted from nadal when he skipped there?

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Nov 04, 2013 1:57 pm

If Nole wins ALL his matches in London (1500 points) and not just his 2 matches, but the team DC win, ( 275 points) and Nadal wins only one match in London, THEN and only then will Nole be number one by a margin of 5 points.
But I don't see what the big deal about it is now.
Nole has lost his top spot on his best surface, American hard courts, a bit late to fix it now, still, good that he's back on track.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:01 pm

Just noticed the prediction game!

My picks are Berd and Delpo.

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Post by DEC1M8 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:02 pm

Ouch for Stan in the TB

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:03 pm

Julia Santamaria wrote:Ouch for Stan in the TB
Already!
I thought the match started at 4 Yikes 
Better catch up asap tennisball 

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Post by DEC1M8 on Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:15 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Julia Santamaria wrote:Ouch for Stan in the TB
Already!
I thought the match started at 4 Yikes 
Better catch up asap tennisball 
It's 1 set all.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:32 pm

Ah yes NITB....forgot about Djoko's DC possible points.

So yes it is still open....just!

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:37 pm

Berd's quads are looking disturbingly massive, worse than ever, looks like someone slapped on a bit of plasticine above his knees....

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Post by luvsports! on Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:43 pm

STAN THE MAN!

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Post by paulcz on Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:39 pm

Today morning when driving my car to the work and listening the radio I hear how Berd feels well in London, how he loves the arena and the whole event and how ready he is  for upcoming fights.
So, Stan did surely well when beating bigmouthed Berd. I could not watch their match, just heard about Stan great serve.
So, perhaps Berd will convince us that he only let his mouth speaking and let his racket speak on the court in next matches. Berd should watch Rosol's  matches sometimes, or at least that one  which was close to London two years ago Cool

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Post by luvsports! on Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:46 pm

Bird was pretty poor 2bh. Stan was good but made a lot of errors.
Crucial moments, bird was found wanting, deserved for stan!

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Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:06 pm

It's so good to see games and sets won thanks to winners and creative points as opposed to UEs drawn out of long rallies.

I am glad to see Gasquet play well but I want a Federer/Delpo and Djoko being one and 2 so that Nadal doesn;t get a too easy semi which he will get if he plays Gasquet.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:24 pm

oh dear Gasquet wasting a 40/0 lead on his serve to lose 5 points in a row and his serve!

His FH is particularly poor today.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:54 pm

1 set all. Can gasquet create the upset? I think so. He shoudl have never lost that serve in that 2nd set.

Yet I am in 2 minds as I don;t fancy Gasquet chance v Nadal

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:09 pm

I like the "new" , mature(r) Gasquet, he is not as nervous as he used to be, he is making a lot more of his ability these days, and seems to have improved serve, as well.
I'd really like him to win at least one match in London, it would mean so much to him, although he does not strike me as a player who thrives on confidence.
He''s got his little mannerism routine and once he does it he restarts his mind.
His BH is amazingly reliable, and although nowhere near as beautiful and magical as Fed's, still, quite an outstanding shot.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:13 pm

LOL! Now you say that and broken he gets! Winking 

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Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:14 pm

I have just realised how poor his FH has become recently. You have been saying it for a while but could not see it....tonight is its striking!

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:26 pm

And he breaks!!!

ALLEZ RICHIE!!! diva

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Nov 04, 2013 10:42 pm

What a shame....you're right, his FH really let him down today, he was almost scared of hitting it, and I don't know why, he gets such great power off it.
He is so brave with his BH and a complete opposite with the FH.

But at least he can hold his head high as he is a proper tennis player, not a scrambler and a fitness freak.
That stands for a lot these days.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:31 pm

Fed in his BBC interview:

"The French Open is always going to be hard as long as Rafa Nadal is around. But on the other surfaces, if I am playing well, it’s more on my racquet than on anybody else’s racquet."

Love it!

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:54 pm

After all the props and pushing he has been receiving for years, Nadal has the cheek to say this:

"One of the big reasons is I have not always been a fantastic player on indoor. Just a few times have I been able to play at a high level on indoor. The third thing is because I feel like I am unlucky. During these nine years the Masters Cup was on indoor, a surface that was not the best for me. So probably for me I was a little bit unlucky in this because in the past we had the Masters Cup on other surfaces. I understand, but I think this is unfair."

Can he sink any lower in his blind selfishness?

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Post by Tenez on Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:06 am

noleisthebest wrote:Fed in his BBC interview:

"The French Open is always going to be hard as long as Rafa Nadal is around. But on the other surfaces, if I am playing well, it’s more on my racquet than on anybody else’s racquet."

Love it!
Excellent! He still believes in it.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:27 am

noleisthebest wrote:After all the props and pushing he has been receiving for years, Nadal has the cheek to say this:

"One of the big reasons is I have not always been a fantastic player on indoor. Just a few times have I been able to play at a high level on indoor. The third thing is because I feel like I am unlucky. During these nine years the Masters Cup was on indoor, a surface that was not the best for me. So probably for me I was a little bit unlucky in this because in the past we had the Masters Cup on other surfaces. I understand, but I think this is unfair."

Can he sink any lower in his blind selfishness?
And why is Indoor not a good surface for him? In fact he plays better on it than on any other surface cause it's much easier to time the ball there than on clay and more so, outside clay. His problem however is that the other players who bank on much smaller margins than him play even better than him.

His game is about destroying his opponents thin margins amd in that respect, it's harder to do when the element does not interfere.

I was actually thinking this watching Berdych and Wawrinka and then Gasquet...how much easier it is for a SHBH to play indoor as their racquet sweet spot is smaller, having a regular bounce certainly helps...more than if you have a DHBH....In short indoors, evens up a bit.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:33 am

Very good point, plus his safe game is not heavily dependent on perfect timing anyway, he needs it once in every 20 shots...and even then, when he goes for the line with that wide CC FH, it's so well-drilled he can probably hit it blindfolded with the opponent safely half-dead/exhausted on the opposite side of the court.





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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:29 am

My picks for today:
Nadal, Federer

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Post by Tenez on Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:32 am

The thing is hitting regyularly close to the lines with so much spin is not nearly as hard as hitting close to the lines with flatter shots, especially when the ball played comes already with lots of spin.

I am not sure this is a concept many tennis fans do understand. What I mean by this is that Nadal's crosscourts shots are actually dead easy....if you have a big arm and have executed it for years. His footwork is the most difficult part in that shot.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:33 am

I'd say Nadal Djoko....obviously.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:37 am

Tenez wrote:The thing is hitting regyularly close to the lines with so much spin is not nearly as hard as hitting close to the lines with flatter shots, especially when the ball played comes already with lots of spin.

I am not sure this is a concept many tennis fans do understand. What I mean by this is that Nadal's crosscourts shots are actually dead easy....if you have a big arm and have executed it for years. His footwork is the most difficult part in that shot.  
Yes, and that's why he'd be a nobody without modern strings.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:56 am

Well another Bruguera I guess....but Bruguera's game was largely obsolete by the late 90s.

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