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Re: Draw Fixing: An Official Study

Post by mikeyM1000 on Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:09 pm

Vids can be faked

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Re: Draw Fixing: An Official Study

Post by paulcz on Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:13 pm

laverfan wrote:
Tenez wrote:What I find comical with your reasoning is that you cannot even see the data are particularly weird in teh first place...such a poor sense of observation.

If it is so comical you should not be responding to my posts. You have a choice.

Hey LF, as v2 moderator, we expect you have a high sense of observation and non-biased approach to such weird things, otherwise we must think what is the reason that leads you to such statements. What a brand of apparel do you buy?

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Re: Draw Fixing: An Official Study

Post by paulcz on Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:16 pm

mikeyM1000 wrote:Vids can be faked

That is right, then we should ask for an interview with a proper cameraman and his oath

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Re: Draw Fixing: An Official Study

Post by mikeyM1000 on Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:18 pm

paulcz wrote:
mikeyM1000 wrote:Vids can be faked

That is right, then we should ask for an interview with a proper cameraman and his oath

Oath? That's a joke right?

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Re: Draw Fixing: An Official Study

Post by paulcz on Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:30 pm

mikeyM1000 wrote:
paulcz wrote:
mikeyM1000 wrote:Vids can be faked

That is right, then we should ask for an interview with a proper cameraman and his oath

Oath? That's a joke right?

Of course with presence of Queen when the oath is made.

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Re: Draw Fixing: An Official Study

Post by mikeyM1000 on Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:31 pm

paulcz wrote:
mikeyM1000 wrote:
paulcz wrote:
mikeyM1000 wrote:Vids can be faked

That is right, then we should ask for an interview with a proper cameraman and his oath

Oath? That's a joke right?

Of course with presence of Queen when the oath is made.

I swear on the ghost of Freddie Mercury

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Re: Draw Fixing: An Official Study

Post by laverfan on Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:45 pm

mikeyM1000 wrote:Vids can be faked

I trusted the Thursday USO draw since it was broadcast live and no TV stations were involved. USopen.org put it up and streamed it. Can it be delayed and manipulated? Yes. The same thing applies to Apollo landings on Moon. Winking

In that stream,

a. The Murray (#3 token) was shown to all present in the audience.
b. after Murray was drawn against Federer, he pulled out the remaining token from the trophy to show that it was number 4 (for Ferrer).


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Re: Draw Fixing: An Official Study

Post by paulcz on Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:46 pm

mikeyM1000 wrote:
paulcz wrote:
mikeyM1000 wrote:
paulcz wrote:
mikeyM1000 wrote:Vids can be faked

That is right, then we should ask for an interview with a proper cameraman and his oath

Oath? That's a joke right?

Of course with presence of Queen when the oath is made.

I swear on the ghost of Freddie Mercury

Then I would rather recommend to make evident by a "rose "party by Lennon, Joplin and Hendrix. This generation hardly could lie

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Re: Draw Fixing: An Official Study

Post by laverfan on Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:55 pm

paulcz wrote:LF, you show a such a passion to defence objectivity of draws that I started to ask myself what can be behind it.

Glad that you looked.

paulcz wrote:I looked at V2 topic as you referred and only impression that I got is that moderators in V2 are fighters against all whose posts refer on some weirdness in tennis. Btw. that was also partial the reason I do not want to post anything there.

'Weirdness' in Tennis is too big a bucket. V2 has discussed Doping, Draw fixing, Match fixing. Libel and Slander laws are important for managing web sites from a site-owner perspective.

paulcz wrote:If you are so sure that everything is so fair, you must have something that proves that. Did you see the videos how the drawing of 3rd and 4th seeded players have been done or were you there? That would be the proof. I´d rather see the vids

I searched UTube, for videos. Let me see if I can find it elsewhere.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:05 pm

So Reincarnation has no guts to reveal his/her identity....must have a very troubled conscience

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Post by mikeyM1000 on Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:22 pm

noleisthebest wrote:So Reincarnation has no guts to reveal his/her identity....must have a very troubled conscience

Maybe we should all post our real names and addresses to prove we have guts

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Aug 25, 2012 6:35 pm

mikeyM1000 wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:So Reincarnation has no guts to reveal his/her identity....must have a very troubled conscience

Maybe we should all post our real names and addresses to prove we have guts

I'm not holding my breath

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Re: Draw Fixing: An Official Study

Post by laverfan on Sat Aug 25, 2012 7:36 pm

laverfan wrote:
I searched UTube, for videos. Let me see if I can find it elsewhere.

USO 2012 - https://imgur.com/a/w8r9A#0

1. Putting #1 and #2 on the table.
2. Showing #3 and #4 to the audience.
3. Showing #3 (Murray) to the audience after the draw.
4. Handing #3 (Murray) to Brian Early.
5. Showing #4 (Ferrer) to the audience.

AO 2012 Draw - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmBvPD5Gd1I

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Post by Larry Ellison on Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:46 pm

noleisthebest wrote:So Reincarnation has no guts to reveal his/her identity....must have a very troubled conscience
Laugh I've made it so f*cking obvious now it's beyond unreal.
I didn't tell Laverfan who I was- she realised in 10 seconds. Remember this is the Laverfan who was accused of having 'comical observation skills.'

And btw what is your real name? Is it actually noleisthebest? Or do you not have the guts to reveal your true identity.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:03 pm

Reincarnation wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:So Reincarnation has no guts to reveal his/her identity....must have a very troubled conscience
I've made it so f*cking obvious now it's beyond unreal.
I didn't tell Laverfan who I was- she realised in 10 seconds. Remember this is the Laverfan who was accused of having 'comical observation skills.'

And btw what is your real name? Is it actually noleisthebest? Or do you not have the guts to reveal your true identity.

You're only digging yourself into a deeper pit..... either say who you are on v2 or just admit you are not able to for whatever reason (lack of guts being the most obvious one, naturally)

All that aside, I do understand not everyone is brave in this world, so you can stay Reincarnation if you feel "safer" like that. You don't come across as someone who like tennis very much as I haven's seen a single opinion of yours on any tennis topic.
I don't mind having lighter banter but it has to be that: light, I'm not into politics and multiple IDs. One is quite enough for me.

Your agenda has little overlap with mine here. Just be happy we're happy. You don't need to haunt us on all forums we go to. What a waste of time!

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Post by Larry Ellison on Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:15 pm

noleisthebest wrote:You don't come across as someone who like tennis very much as I haven's seen a single opinion of yours on any tennis topic.
Yes, I hardly ever talk about tennis, especially on v2. Especially every week, it's bad I don't do a weekly round up of the tennis action and have a archive folder which records it (so people can read back).
If I say who I am it is likely Tenez will probably instantly ban me, so I shall not. I'm not sure Nadal fans are allowed to post on here.

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Just be happy we're happy. You don't need to haunt us on all forums we go to. What a waste of time!
I'm not 'haunting' anybody. As I said I like your enthusiasm for tennis (although I do not agree with your views), also I think wow3 has improved a lot as a poster- and posts very maturely now.

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Post by laverfan on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:02 pm

Reincarnation... Please. Let us not have a non-Tennis argument. We can discuss tennis. If you want to remain anonymous, that is fine.

NITB/ROTLA/Tenez/Veejay/Paul/WoW are all very capable of wonderful tennis discussion. Diversity of views is always better than no diversity.

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Re: Draw Fixing: An Official Study

Post by Guest on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:07 pm

laverfan wrote:Reincarnation... Please. Let us not have a non-Tennis argument. We can discuss tennis. If you want to remain anonymous, that is fine.

NITB/ROTLA/Tenez/Veejay/Paul/WoW are all very capable of wonderful tennis discussion. Diversity of views is always better than no diversity.

LF, thanks a lot. Well in a way we all are anonymous but we do know each other. Amrit, you can start posting here as forum needs nadal fans as well. Tenez himself has founded the forum on the pretext of allowing open discussions. Even personal attacks are okay here, so don't worry.

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Post by Larry Ellison on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:16 pm

laverfan wrote:Reincarnation... Please. Let us not have a non-Tennis argument. We can discuss tennis.
You started a 'innocent vs guilty' thread. Not sure that has anything to do with tennis. Whistle

laverfan wrote:
NITB/ROTLA/Tenez/Veejay/Paul/WoW are all very capable of wonderful tennis discussion.
I am sure they are Winking, I never said anything to the contrary. I like NITB's enthusiasm, WOW is posting very sensibly now too. I'll be honest I dunno much about Paul- but he seems like a nice guy. I also think Tenez is a good poster, but I fully agree with the criticisms Summerblues and Emancipator have made in recent times.

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Post by Larry Ellison on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:19 pm

wow3 wrote:Amrit, you can start posting here as forum needs nadal fans as well. Tenez himself has founded the forum on the pretext of allowing open discussions.
I'm not sure of that.
SB told me Tenez said his objective was to 'bring the cream' and 'control the rest.' I don't think Tenez sees Nadal fans as tennis fans or people to debate with.

wow3 wrote:
Even personal attacks are okay here, so don't worry.
That's not a good thing Yikes

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Post by paulcz on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:23 pm

wow3 wrote:
laverfan wrote:Reincarnation... Please. Let us not have a non-Tennis argument. We can discuss tennis. If you want to remain anonymous, that is fine.

NITB/ROTLA/Tenez/Veejay/Paul/WoW are all very capable of wonderful tennis discussion. Diversity of views is always better than no diversity.

LF, thanks a lot. Well in a way we all are anonymous but we do know each other. Amrit, you can start posting here as forum needs nadal fans as well. Tenez himself has founded the forum on the pretext of allowing open discussions. Even personal attacks are okay here, so don't worry.

Nadal´s fans should send each of posters here one bottle of wine to compensate his antics on courts. Or wait, Tenez, don´t you think that one is not enough

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Re: Draw Fixing: An Official Study

Post by Larry Ellison on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:26 pm

Djokovic fans should send everyone a bottle of vodka for every time he bounces the ball before serve.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:26 pm

paulcz wrote:
wow3 wrote:
laverfan wrote:Reincarnation... Please. Let us not have a non-Tennis argument. We can discuss tennis. If you want to remain anonymous, that is fine.

NITB/ROTLA/Tenez/Veejay/Paul/WoW are all very capable of wonderful tennis discussion. Diversity of views is always better than no diversity.

LF, thanks a lot. Well in a way we all are anonymous but we do know each other. Amrit, you can start posting here as forum needs nadal fans as well. Tenez himself has founded the forum on the pretext of allowing open discussions. Even personal attacks are okay here, so don't worry.

Nadal´s fans should send each of posters here one bottle of wine to compensate his antics on courts. Or wait, Tenez, don´t you think that one is not enough
Full-bodied red for me , please , no, wait! when I remember ALL the agro...make it the other one a bubbly, not too brut, though

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Post by Larry Ellison on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:27 pm

NITB how's your vodka stock doing Whistle

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:30 pm

Reincarnation wrote:NITB how's your vodka stock doing

I am not into strong stuff. Unlike most I only have a drink or two when I'm very happy

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Post by Larry Ellison on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:32 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Reincarnation wrote:NITB how's your vodka stock doing

I am not into strong stuff. Unlike most I only have a drink or two when I'm very happy
Perfect. It's sorted then.

Everytime Djokovic bounces the ball more than 10 times before serving NITB buys us vodka Whistle

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Post by paulcz on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:34 pm

I´d prefer Chardonnay 2007, from Loire Valey. Plus they should send some cheese from Swiss, or Slovakia. Not sure, which one is better atm

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:34 pm

I personally think you'd do better with 10 press-ups instead of all those shots. You may even end up looking like Nadal

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:37 pm

paulcz wrote:I´d prefer Chardonnay 2007, from Loire Valey. Plus they should send some cheese from Swiss, or Slovakia. Not sure, which one is better atm

I'm not a huge fan of Swiss cheese, in fact. I only liked one, but forgot the name as I can't find it in the UK. I'm very fussy with the white wine, it's hard to find a good one, but had a semilion phase a few years ago.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:39 pm

I got a bottle of vintage Bollinger as a Christmas present and was planning to open it when Nole wins Olympic gold

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Post by paulcz on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:42 pm

The Nadal´s fans should pay one bottle of the highest quality wine for one set with Nole to learn how beautiful tennis can be and you have a big luck that here are no Fed´s fans, pretty happy

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Post by paulcz on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:45 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I got a bottle of vintage Bollinger as a Christmas present and was planning to open it when Nole wins Olympic gold

Nitb, do not be sad.The best time of drinking such a good time will come truly on 9th of September

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Post by Tenez on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:49 pm

wow3 wrote:....Tenez himself has founded the forum on the pretext of allowing open discussions. Even personal attacks are okay here, so don't worry.

Frankly, I'd rather not. I know it can subtly escalate into harsh words but that's certainly not my preferred way of discussing/arguing.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:50 pm

paulcz wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:I got a bottle of vintage Bollinger as a Christmas present and was planning to open it when Nole wins Olympic gold

Nitb, do not be sad.The best time of drinking such a good time will come truly on 9th of September

I hope so, but It won't be this bottle I'll toast to the potential USO win. I found it in the cupboard the other day and was almost "upset" with it for being there and daring to remind me of its unfulfilled purpose I'll have to think of something else grand now....maybe a year end number one

Silly me I just remembered it's my birthday in a few days. Stuff it, I'll think I'm going to drink to noleisthebest


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Post by paulcz on Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:01 am

noleisthebest wrote:
paulcz wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:I got a bottle of vintage Bollinger as a Christmas present and was planning to open it when Nole wins Olympic gold

Nitb, do not be sad.The best time of drinking such a good time will come truly on 9th of September

I hope so, but It won't be this bottle I'll toast to the potential USO win. I found it in the cupboard the other day and was almost "upset" with it for being there and daring to remind me of its unfulfilled purpose I'll have to think of something else grand now....maybe a year end number one

I should also buy some good wine stuff for next two weeks, I feel that it could taste amazing and tomorrow the circus starts. Good night!

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Post by Tenez on Sun Aug 26, 2012 12:09 am

paulcz wrote:Nadal´s fans should send each of posters here one bottle of wine to compensate his antics on courts. Or wait, Tenez, don´t you think that one is not enough

Just about Paul! Winking

I don't mind Nadal fans....as long as they can articulate why they like him.

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Post by laverfan on Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:03 am

Tenez wrote:I don't mind Nadal fans....as long as they can articulate why they like him.

11 slams (he may never get close to Federer's tally), 21 masters (same as Federer), 7 FOs, the Clay slam, Federer's 'anti-Federer', 92% win record on Clay, plays every point as a match point (vs Djokovic @Madrid 2009). 5:53 longest slam in Open Era, Career Golden 'slam'. That too, despite a congenital foot defect, injuries galore. Do I need to quote any more statistics from his career?

Does that mean I 'dislike' Federer? Absolutely Not.

Federer in 'full' flow is as graceful as a ballet dancer to Nadal's 'pirate'. He is the closest to Pancho, minus all the 'dark' sides of Pancho. The stunning match at WTF against Nadal is a wonderful epitome of 'attacking' tennis. I cannot imagine a Tennis world without either of them.

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Post by Larry Ellison on Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:05 am

Tenez I have sent you a PM of why I like Nadal.
It's detailed. (more than 300 words).

I would post it on here, but I'm not sure with the likes of Veejay, and ROTLA here I can post it in the fora. They are very aggressive, and I don't think it's worth it.

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:12 am

If u call someone aggressive then what will u expect from them. They both are fine posters and know tennis and doping very well

Anyways what maturity you are seeing in my comments and why I was not mature before?? I have said before as well that I never liked rafa's antics and I am still the same. I am still a fedfan and I dislike Nadal for his rule breaking and playing negative tennis.

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:13 am

U need to keep your pseudo, reincarnation is no fun

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Post by Larry Ellison on Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:20 am

wow3 wrote:If u call someone aggressive then what will u expect from them. They both are fine posters and know tennis and doping very well

Anyways what maturity you are seeing in my comments and why I was not mature before?? I have said before as well that I never liked rafa's antics and I am still the same. I am still a fedfan and I dislike Nadal for his rule breaking and playing negative tennis.
I'm not saying ROTLA and Veejay aren't fine posters, but they are aggressive. Whether they know about tennis or doping well... tbh I think Laverfan is more reliable.

btw your posts have become more sensible, maybe you haven't realised. On 606 (original) every day you would write articles which were around 2-4 lines dissing Nadal.


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Post by Larry Ellison on Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:21 am

wow3 wrote:U need to keep your pseudo, reincarnation is no fun
OK, done Cool

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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:32 am

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wow3 wrote:U need to keep your pseudo, reincarnation is no fun
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Post by Guest on Sun Aug 26, 2012 1:35 am

Amritia3ee wrote:
wow3 wrote:If u call someone aggressive then what will u expect from them. They both are fine posters and know tennis and doping very well

Anyways what maturity you are seeing in my comments and why I was not mature before?? I have said before as well that I never liked rafa's antics and I am still the same. I am still a fedfan and I dislike Nadal for his rule breaking and playing negative tennis.
I'm not saying ROTLA and Veejay aren't fine posters, but they are aggressive. Whether they know about tennis or doping well... tbh I think Laverfan is more reliable.

btw your posts have become more sensible, maybe you haven't realised. On 606 (original) every day you would write articles which were around 2-4 lines dissing Nadal.

I will start again if he starts to win everything but at the moment my sympathies are with him and that's the reason for not producing the articles like before

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Post by Larry Ellison on Sun Aug 26, 2012 2:06 am

wow3 wrote:
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wow3 wrote:U need to keep your pseudo, reincarnation is no fun
OK, done





Good to see you here.
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Post by Tenez on Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:23 am

Amritia3ee wrote:Tenez I have sent you a PM of why I like Nadal.
It's detailed. (more than 300 words).

I would post it on here, but I'm not sure with the likes of Veejay, and ROTLA here I can post it in the fora. They are very aggressive, and I don't think it's worth it.

Thanks. I have read it. Good on you.

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Re: Draw Fixing: An Official Study

Post by Larry Ellison on Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:28 am

Tenez wrote:
Amritia3ee wrote:Tenez I have sent you a PM of why I like Nadal.
It's detailed. (more than 300 words).

I would post it on here, but I'm not sure with the likes of Veejay, and ROTLA here I can post it in the fora. They are very aggressive, and I don't think it's worth it.

Thanks. I have read it. Good on you.
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