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Post by laverfan on Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:20 pm

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Just saw it was 12 in IW, they must have changed clocks or stg...great, so that means tennis starts at 6 tomorrow ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 4 364988687

Daylight time starts March 10, 2am and ends Nov 2 @2am.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:36 pm

I gathered something like that happened.

Cilic Raonic one set all now. Let the fun begin ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 4 899701779 strange to see two giants slog it out from the base line, I must say....

Tsonga wins TB against Fish who is already 3:0 up in the second.....

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Post by laverfan on Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:49 pm

Tsonga is 4-2 now, but is being manhandled.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:51 pm

Funny to see Rao with his SAP logo on his shirt. SAP is Larry's Oracle's greatest rival.

Woudl be funny if Rao went all the way to win it on Larry's tournament.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:01 pm

Are you sure it says SAP, looks like NB to me (whoever they are.....)

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:13 pm

yes he always has that blue SAP logo. on his New Balance shirt.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:24 pm

Tsonga through, great comeback from being 0:4 down. Rasheed definitely brought some discipline into his game, harnessed the forward motion/urge a bit ...not as pretty as before, but we'll see where it takes him.
Raonic next.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:24 pm

can you access the streamhunters live links?

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:26 pm

Tenez wrote:can you access the streamhunters live links?

I'm watching it on tennistv , do you need a link?

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:32 pm

I am not sure why SH doesn't work on my pc now. DO you have a link?

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:35 pm

Try this first, let me know it if works on your computer

http://www.sportlemon.tv/c-4.html


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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:36 pm

He does. many thanks.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:37 pm

Good ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 4 650269930 . Quarters are looking really good, some cracking matches in store in the next few days, you've got to have the LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINK!!!!! ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 4 478237397

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:57 pm

Tennis Quiz:

•How many medical timeouts are you allowed per match?
•How long after you are called to your court could you be defaulted?
•How many bathroom breaks per match are you permitted?
•How long are you permitted between points?


Don't worry if you don't know the answers. Apparently none of the 15 players tested knew all the answers:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/tennis/2013/03/12/top-players-dont-know-the-rules-bnp-paribas-open/1980117/

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:19 pm

Nole time ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 4 4006036031
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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:33 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Tennis Quiz:

•How many medical timeouts are you allowed per match?
•How long after you are called to your court could you be defaulted?
•How many bathroom breaks per match are you permitted?
•How long are you permitted between points?


Don't worry if you don't know the answers. Apparently none of the 15 players tested knew all the answers:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/tennis/2013/03/12/top-players-dont-know-the-rules-bnp-paribas-open/1980117/
I'd say 1
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no limit
20s/25 slams / others

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:49 pm

5 all.
what a weird , negative nonstrarting set of tennis....you don't know who's worse: Nole spraying on both wings as if he's tanking, or Dimitrov choking....

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:54 pm

It was a bit unfortunate for Dimi to have to serve it out with teh sun in his eyes. He may have choked on the other side too but I will give him the credit of the doubt.

He has made good progress since Shanghai 12. Winking

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:00 pm

Tenez wrote:It was a bit unfortunate for Dimi to have to serve it out with teh sun in his eyes. He may have choked on the other side too but I will give him the credit of the doubt.

He has made good progress since Shanghai 12. ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 4 1071211947

That's because Nole's playing horrible. To me, Dimi looks worse and worse. That SBH almost doesn't suit his game any more, would be better off with the DBH. Amazing how he has transformed from his early days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2TLXwN90eY

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:07 pm

But you are comparing his BH on low bounce grass with IW a slow high bounce court. His BH would get much more potent on faster lower bounce courts.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:10 pm

Tenez wrote:But you are comparing his BH on low bounce grass with IW a slow high bounce court. His BH would get much more potent on faster lower bounce courts.

Federer and most others don't seem to suffer as much as Dimi in that regard. He is too conservative in this match. That backhand is almost like a supporting act here for him.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:14 pm

It would be good to see him on grass this year, though. I haven't seen him play there for ages. I hope this new Swedish coaching team is the right choice for him.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:17 pm

But in 3 to 4 years those youngsters will leave the current top 4 in their tracks. But I am saying they won't have to wait 4 years...18 months max to already take the game to new levels.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:18 pm

I can't believe it!!!! That horrid, shirtless guy is in the crowd again this year!!! ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 4 130445746

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:21 pm

Tenez wrote:But in 3 to 4 years those youngsters will leave the current top 4 in their tracks. But I am saying they won't have to wait 4 years...18 months max to already take the game to new levels.

I don't mind. Just not sure about the "new" levels....as things stand they all look clunky and mechanical with little elegance and flair.
Unless conditions change, they'll only get slower, bigger, safer and more powerful.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:23 pm

Good to see the game in mid court in this game for a change.... ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 4 4052418255

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:24 pm

I wonder who Sharapova is supporting in this match ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 4 123628122

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:29 pm

Dimi threw the match at 41 0/30 up on Djoko's serve. Then he lost focus after losing that game to close the set with 3 or 4 DFs.

The potential is there but there is still some believing, confidence and focus to improve. He will be disappointed after this match.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:32 pm

Yes, he played without belief, no wind in his sails at all through the whole match, too much respect for Number One.
He could do with a bit of cockiness he once used to have, too meek today.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:34 pm

What do you think about Lu vs Murray, the Supergrinder could get under Murray's skin?

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Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:00 am

I think Murray will have it easy. And I woudl like to see how Delpo does v Murray. I just realised that the matches today are just to qualify for the 4th round....I thought they were the 4th round.


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Post by luvsports! on Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:32 am

cant wait for gulbis nadal 2mo!

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Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:40 am

same here.

Very interesting interview from Fed yesterday about his back...an extract:

Q. Just going back to your back for a second, you took a longer time than normal to come your press conference. Did you have treatment? The back has in the past given you problems. Is it something you won't know until very close to the match?
ROGER FEDERER: No, no. I mean, I finished the match, I did treatment, you know, just to make sure you do all the right things at the right time.
That's what you should do anyway all the time: You should do treatment right after your matches and not go to press first. You get in the habit. You go to press first, get rid of that, even though it's not the right thing to do.
So I'm not too worried. I have gone through it so many times where you feel a little tweak. You might play next day; now this time around I have a day off, extra time.
Happened during Grand Slams, during tournaments, in practice. So, you know, it's just something, you know, you learn to deal with. And as long as I keep on playing, it's all right. After this I also know I have a longer break to recover, so from that standpoint I'm not worried at all.
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Then he goes on to say that it has been there since childhood but it seems it got worse 4 years ago with his wo in Paris v Blake.

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:11 am

Tenez wrote:I think Murray will have it easy. And I woudl like to see how Delpo does v Murray. I just realised that the matches today are just to qualify for the 4th round....I thought they were the 4th round.


Yes, Murray did seem to have it easy but the match (at least the bit I was able to see, after I woke up at my desk Yikes ) was a lot closer. Lu played well and EVEN attacked, I was impressed. He had a break back point for 4 all in the first set but made an UE with a risky shot. Made Murray run a lot, which he never minded ... if he could've , he would've run up in the stands to catch some of Lu's smashes....

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Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:18 am

He certainly can run miles.

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:23 am

Tenez wrote:He certainly can run miles.

He can, but for how long in the best of 5 having to carry all that weight, and muscle that forehand....must be his only option!
His quods are looking like footballer's now...

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Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:31 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:He certainly can run miles.

He can, but for how long in the best of 5 having to carry all that weight, and muscle that forehand....must be his only option!
His quods are looking like footballer's now...
He did it at the USO, didn't he? But yes I agree it's a great challenge to do it when faced versus Djoko....however he shoudl be fine versus any other player as they will try to shorten rallies for him.

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:33 am

Tenez wrote:same here.

Very interesting interview from Fed yesterday about his back...an extract:

Q. Just going back to your back for a second, you took a longer time than normal to come your press conference. Did you have treatment? The back has in the past given you problems. Is it something you won't know until very close to the match?
ROGER FEDERER: No, no. I mean, I finished the match, I did treatment, you know, just to make sure you do all the right things at the right time.
That's what you should do anyway all the time: You should do treatment right after your matches and not go to press first. You get in the habit. You go to press first, get rid of that, even though it's not the right thing to do.
So I'm not too worried. I have gone through it so many times where you feel a little tweak. You might play next day; now this time around I have a day off, extra time.
Happened during Grand Slams, during tournaments, in practice.So, you know, it's just something, you know, you learn to deal with. And as long as I keep on playing, it's all right. After this I also know I have a longer break to recover, so from that standpoint I'm not worried at all.
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Then he goes on to say that it has been there since childhood but it seems it got worse 4 years ago with his wo in Paris v Blake.

That's the bit that I find strange. To have back problem in childhood!!!!
Very odd.

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:36 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:He certainly can run miles.

He can, but for how long in the best of 5 having to carry all that weight, and muscle that forehand....must be his only option!
His quods are looking like footballer's now...
He did it at the USO, didn't he? But yes I agree it's a great challenge to do it when faced versus Djoko....however he shoudl be fine versus any other player as they will try to shorten rallies for him.
Yes, I thought of that USO final which was weird and unusual in more than one way. I think good, mobile power hitters can wear him out as well, like Cilic or even Querrey & Fish on a good day.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:46 am

Anyway in view of this are we to believe that if you are fit to play you have no excuse?

Is Federer fit to play? good enough it seems but when he loses shall we simply force ourselve to blank out the "excuse" bit? Yes we can make an effort not to mention it or even think about it...but unless you are keen to disregard excuse for a particular player then it will always be in the back of our mind that he lost because of that "excuse". In fact it will also be behind of the back of those who are keen to see him lose (bar Berdych maybe).

This is why I think this "no excuse" approach is simply a fake one and prevents the principal purpose which is to comment honestly on a tennis match.

Even if I have had very strong belief that Nadal went through a silent ban, I can still believe there was some knee concern as well.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:48 am

noleisthebest wrote:Yes, I thought of that USO final which was weird and unusual in more than one way. I think good, mobile power hitters can wear him out as well, like Cilic or even Querrey & Fish on a good day.
On a good day all those players can beat those RRunners but doing it in a slam over 5 sets is much harder...this is why those ones have such a good slam record.

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:54 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Yes, I thought of that USO final which was weird and unusual in more than one way. I think good, mobile power hitters can wear him out as well, like Cilic or even Querrey & Fish on a good day.
On a good day all those players can beat those RRunners but doing it in a slam over 5 sets is much harder...this is why those ones have such a good slam record.
I think Murray is particularly vulnerable to them, if Cilic had anything more than jelly between his ears he would've knocked Murray out last USO as well.
The thing I find strange is how Murray handles Delpo with ease...

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:59 am

Tenez wrote:Anyway in view of this are we to believe that if you are fit to play you have no excuse?

Is Federer fit to play? good enough it seems but when he loses shall we simply force ourselve to blank out the "excuse" bit? Yes we can make an effort not to mention it or even think about it...but unless you are keen to disregard excuse for a particular player then it will always be in the back of our mind that he lost because of that "excuse". In fact it will also be behind of the back of those who are keen to see him lose (bar Berdych maybe).

This is why I think this "no excuse" approach is simply a fake one and prevents the principal purpose which is to comment honestly on a tennis match.

Even if I have had very strong belief that Nadal went through a silent ban, I can still believe there was some knee concern as well.

I don't have problem with excuses, because at their level, top pros bodies are like walking wounded after 25. It's a shame to see it impact their game, and many of their losses can be explained with minor injuries.
Problem is, media blow it all out of proportion.
Bottom line is if you're on a court to play a match, you give it your best shot and take the loss on the chin. It would be interesting to find out if there ever was a completely injury free player in any slam final. Off to sunny court myself now ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 4 2708581707

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Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:02 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Yes, I thought of that USO final which was weird and unusual in more than one way. I think good, mobile power hitters can wear him out as well, like Cilic or even Querrey & Fish on a good day.
On a good day all those players can beat those RRunners but doing it in a slam over 5 sets is much harder...this is why those ones have such a good slam record.
I think Murray is particularly vulnerable to them, if Cilic had anything more than jelly between his ears he would've knocked Murray out last USO as well.
The thing I find strange is how Murray handles Delpo with ease...

I am not sure actually he is more vulnerable than Djoko. I think Djoko faces his good share of trouble on his way too, more if anything. v Hewiit, Ferrer, Seppi, Tsonga, Tomic, Wawrinka, Bagdhatis just to name the recent ones.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:02 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Yes, I thought of that USO final which was weird and unusual in more than one way. I think good, mobile power hitters can wear him out as well, like Cilic or even Querrey & Fish on a good day.
On a good day all those players can beat those RRunners but doing it in a slam over 5 sets is much harder...this is why those ones have such a good slam record.
I think Murray is particularly vulnerable to them, if Cilic had anything more than jelly between his ears he would've knocked Murray out last USO as well.
The thing I find strange is how Murray handles Delpo with ease...

I am not sure actually he is more vulnerable than Djoko. I think Djoko faces his good share of trouble on his way too, more if anything. v Hewiit, Ferrer, Seppi, Tsonga, Tomic, Wawrinka, Bagdhatis just to name the recent ones.

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:07 am

And just before I go, I 've had a bit of pain in the left knee all week Run

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Post by Tenez on Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:19 am

noleisthebest wrote:Problem is, media blow it all out of proportion.
I think the opposite cause they try to make us believe that everything is fine but we will never have a footballer play 5 matches in a row. It was possible in teh past cause the game was not nearly as physical as now. Footballers don't even play 2 matches in a row and they are not alone on the pitch.

Connors had no problem lining those matches and win 120+ tournaments. But nowadays 5 matches in a row is simply absurd and that is where lies the doping and why the fittest keep winning everything nowadays.

Bottom line is if you're on a court to play a match, you give it your best shot and take the loss on the chin.
A loss is a loss but knowing you play only at 80% will simply make that loss and win different.

It would be interesting to find out if there ever was a completely injury free player in any slam final.
Of course plenty of them were. The funny thing is nowadays teh technique and timing is less important than legs and lungs for those top players so as long as they can push the ball back one more time they are fine. Djoko manage to win that USO11 despite a bad back cause Nadal was cramping so injuries won't affect as much as it's a question of last man standing. Djoko did not have to do anything to win that 4th set. The damaging work was done in the previous ones.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:07 am

noleisthebest wrote:Tennis Quiz:

•How many medical timeouts are you allowed per match?
•How long after you are called to your court could you be defaulted?
•How many bathroom breaks per match are you permitted?
•How long are you permitted between points?


Don't worry if you don't know the answers. Apparently none of the 15 players tested knew all the answers:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/tennis/2013/03/12/top-players-dont-know-the-rules-bnp-paribas-open/1980117/

1: How many medical timeouts are you allowed per match?
Ans: Umpire's call. IIRC I've seen a player take 2 and still carry on till the match end.

2: How long after you are called to your court could you be defaulted?
Ans: 20/25 Seconds under Umpire's call.

3: How many bathroom breaks per match are you permitted?
Ans: I think there are no limits, but allowing or not ( even a single one) is entirely umpire's call. I mean its not like HE challenges that player is entitled to. Umpire may not allow even one but I've never seen any such incident.

4: How long are you permitted between points?
Ans: On paper 20/25 sec for ITF/ATP events respectively. However if there are Umpires like Barnades, the marque players can have as long as 48 seconds.



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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:14 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Yes, I thought of that USO final which was weird and unusual in more than one way. I think good, mobile power hitters can wear him out as well, like Cilic or even Querrey & Fish on a good day.
On a good day all those players can beat those RRunners but doing it in a slam over 5 sets is much harder...this is why those ones have such a good slam record.
I think Murray is particularly vulnerable to them, if Cilic had anything more than jelly between his ears he would've knocked Murray out last USO as well.
The thing I find strange is how Murray handles Delpo with ease...

I am not sure actually he is more vulnerable than Djoko. I think Djoko faces his good share of trouble on his way too, more if anything. v Hewiit, Ferrer, Seppi, Tsonga, Tomic, Wawrinka, Bagdhatis just to name the recent ones.

I wouldn't call Hewitt a mobile powerhitter exactly.....I had Berdych, Cilic, Delpo etc in mind. The players you menition are either energised counterpunchers who provide nothing but a good workout for Nole (Baghdatis, Hewitt, Ferrer etcand all have bad H2H against him). Tsonga and Stan are a handful for anyone on a good day, Tsonga more than Stan because of his serve and better movement.
Tomic is completely different as he mixes up his shots really well and messes up Nole's rhythm and footwork with all the slices of different length as well as being happy to pull the trigger with his forehand down the line at any time and blast him off with ease like that, plus he has very good serve, too, so def. most dangerous of all the players you mentioned for Novak. His main problem now seems to be focus.
Murray is a lot more passive and happy to rally forever whereas Novak is not and he does try to attack as soon as it's safe.
Delpo has been playing well and it would be interesting if he can at least take a set off Murray should they play on Friday. Delpo's lateral movement lets him down a bit against Murray, plus his serve is almost toothless these days.

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:22 pm

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Problem is, media blow it all out of proportion.
I think the opposite cause they try to make us believe that everything is fine but we will never have a footballer play 5 matches in a row. It was possible in teh past cause the game was not nearly as physical as now. Footballers don't even play 2 matches in a row and they are not alone on the pitch.
Connors had no problem lining those matches and win 120+ tournaments. But nowadays 5 matches in a row is simply absurd and that is where lies the doping and why the fittest keep winning everything nowadays.
They do before the match, of course, not after.
It is very grueling now, mainly because of fitness levels required doped or not.
It would be interesing to compare fitness regimes of e.g. Connors or Borg and Federer or Djokovic. Even running on the treadmill for hours significantly adds to wear and tear.
Best indicators are players legs. They all have highly toned muscles now, huge calves. Then some others add those massive thighs on top.
There was none of that in the past. Mac's legs almost looked like woman's!

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