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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:30 pm

Gasquet playing very well, best dressed man in IW by far, too ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 3 4006036031

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:46 pm

JJ out with a totally broken down forehand and poor serve percentage. Strange.
Gasquet great to watch, so coorinated even when he is picking up insects from the ground or waving to the crowd.

Simon - Paire next ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 3 2774444739

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:48 pm

....and then yo switch to see Fed glide and hit the ball, and it's just one big aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 3 151447854

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:49 pm

Dodig's shirt has got to be the ugliest item ever worn on a tennis court.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:00 am

Dodig is playing well. If it wasn't for those 2 successive DFs giving teh break to Fed.

As predicted Gasquet won "comfably"...even on one leg.

It's not normal to be as tall as JJ and have such an erratic serve (poor 1st percentage essentially). I believe he is as tall as Rao so no excuse.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:03 am

JJ had a very weird ball toss today. I haven't noticed it before.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:06 am

He is actually 2 inches taller than Rao so his serve should be at least as good.

He is out of my watch list....unless he plays the retrievers.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:11 am

Federer looks like he is really enjoying himself tonight, pulling off some crazy shots just about from every part of the court.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:12 am

Tenez wrote:He is actually 2 inches taller than Rao so his serve should be at least as good.

He is out of my watch list....unless he plays the retrievers.

He does look average & brute and plain against flair players. But good against bashers.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:15 am

Did you see that NITB.....teh back again. It was so obvious...not only on his serve but on his simple walking to the towel. Completely blocked. But the funnny thing is that he pretended nothing was wrong and serve the softest serves I ever saw. He was playing so well and suddenly the back freezes. Really weird.


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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:17 am

Tenez wrote:Did you see that NITB.....teh back again.
I did! More obvious than ever. I hope he doesn't have to serve it out for the match.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:22 am

I think he realised he had to win on Dodig's serve. Dodig made really weird DFS at crucial times.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:23 am

Tenez wrote:Did you see that NITB.....teh back again. It was so obvious...not only on his serve but on his simple walking to the towel. Completely blocked. But the funnny thing is that he pretended nothing was wrong and serve the softest serves I ever saw. He was playing so well and suddenly the back freezes. Really weird.

yes, he didn't even bend the knee on the backhand, but still managed to hit it well. It's got to be sciatical pain, it just comes in spasms. He did really well to break Dodig, who didn't seem to notice anything....

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:25 am

So he says he is having treatment on his back everyday.

I can't see him go very far for very long if that's the case.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:29 am

good night. Sleep tight.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:32 am

Tenez wrote:So he says he is having treatment on his back everyday.

I can't see him go very far for very long if that's the case.

Great shame. He is probably playing under pain killers. Very hard with 1000 tournaments with matches every day, at least has one day break now.
I wonder if the pain started early in the 2nd set when he started S&Ving even after 2nd serve, but than it became plain obvious with that last service game.
Thing is that pain is quite managable but when it hits you, it paralyses you. There's always an option of an MTO to relax the back and spasm with the massage, but he doesn't like those.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:33 am

Tenez wrote:good night. Sleep tight.

wise.... ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 3 1071211947

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:36 am

And Paire the king of flair, wins the first set ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 3 3607856076

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:53 am

Simon really not liking losing to Paire. Never saw him look so irritated, almost hysterical. Paire playing beautifully esp with his backhand.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:57 am

Well, it's the morning after, and I still can't believe Paire managed to lose that match last night, because he literally, generously gave it away to Simon on a silver platter!
It was a fascinating match as it fully revealed both players' characters, strengths and weaknesses.
I really enjoyed observing it all: Paire's good natured, attacking yet killer-instinct free, playful and classy style. Beautiful, elegant, versatile backhand. I am not a great fan of double backhands, but Paire's is a bit special.
He really made an effort last night not to let frustration get the better of him as he so often does, and when he lost in the end, emotionally and physically spent I really felt sorry for him.
I hope he learns from it, and all the right lessons.
He has great potential and I can see him in top 10 with a bit of maturing and experience under his belt, just needs to toughen up a bit, too soft at the moment, but loooooooovely ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 3 2774444739

Simon, the old, sly fox, oh, was he in his prime element last night or what! He so reminds me of Murray in some ways, how he puts on this aura of pretending to be physically struggling and injured and then as he lures the poor victim into believing it, strangles him like a boa, with no chance of escape. His usually cute outbursts of frustration turned into loud, almost bullying shouting this time. He really didn't like losing to Paire.
Although he was a villain for me in last night's match, I couldn't help admiring all that make him such a great player: he is such a chess-player on a tennis court, and knows exactly what he is doing in every second of a match. Has amazing stamina, and his size, although a disadvantage in many ways, certainly helps him last long and endure and survive just about anyone, really brilliant counter-puncher with a lot of flair both in ball-striking and point-construction. Completely underestimated and so much nicer to watch than Murray who has lost his unique original game and morphed into this characterless uber-fit player that has nothing to offer in terms of tennis aesthetics.

So, Simon got his poor victim last night, and it was pure masterclass how he did it.
It's going to be one great match against Gasquet next, no softies in that battle !

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:10 am

Today's matches, (starting at & PM UK time):
Court 1
Fish - Tsonga
Djokovic - Dimitrov
Murray - Lu
Court 2
Querrey-Matosevic
Berlocq-Nishikori
Phau-Del Potro
Court 3
Cilic-Raonic
Almagro-Haas

On paper, Djokovic-Dimitrov looks match of the day, and it may provide a bit of entertainment mainly because the slow court will give a chance to slow Dimitov.
For me, though, match of the day is Cilic- Raonic. Should be a good one.
Also Lu, the grinder to end all grinders is going to be no walkover for Murray.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:23 am

noleisthebest wrote:On paper, Djokovic-Dimitrov looks match of the day, and it may provide a bit of entertainment mainly because the slow court will give a chance to slow Dimitov.
Laugh you are kidding...aren't you? Dimi won Wimby as a junior while Djoko's best performances are the slow HC. 4 AOs!!!

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:25 am

You've got to love Earnie, who seems to be raring to rip Nadal tomorrow ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 3 4006036031

“I’m telling you, if I’m going to hit a winner it’s gonna
be a winner. Doesn’t matter if it’s gonna be Nadal or whoever. I’m
going to go for my shots. Maybe it’s going to take me two shots. But I'm
going to be ready for it. One shot one corner, other shot other corner.
I want to see him get it.


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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:28 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:On paper, Djokovic-Dimitrov looks match of the day, and it may provide a bit of entertainment mainly because the slow court will give a chance to slow Dimitov.
ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 3 2033450363 you are kidding...aren't you? Dimi won Wimby as a junior while Djoko's best performances are the slow HC. 4 AOs!!!

I know you'd come to that one ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 3 4006036031 Yes, I think Dimi's only chance now to do any damage is on slower courts.

He is a different player to what he used to be 4 years ago, he has filled out and is considerably slower than he used to be. He has zero chance against Nole on fast hard courts. On slow a lot more.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:31 am

Yes Simon over the distance is deadly. He runs everything down and makes you run too. I like his style cause unlike the other road runners he has thin legs and arms and hits the ball quite flat. Sure he pushes it most of the time but he can also put pace into it by taking risk while the other road runners topspin way too much.

However Simon is still someone who forces the physical side too much but not only on his opponents but on him so I am not surprised he has those multiple physical isses cause unlike the other 3 he is not using the full range of products available out there....or simply does not prepare as well.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:35 am

noleisthebest wrote:
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noleisthebest wrote:On paper, Djokovic-Dimitrov looks match of the day, and it may provide a bit of entertainment mainly because the slow court will give a chance to slow Dimitov.
ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 3 2033450363 you are kidding...aren't you? Dimi won Wimby as a junior while Djoko's best performances are the slow HC. 4 AOs!!!

I know you'd come to that one ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 3 4006036031 Yes, I think Dimi's only chance now to do any damage is on slower courts.

He is a different player to what he used to be 4 years ago, he has filled out and is considerably slower than he used to be. He has zero chance against Nole on fast hard courts. On slow a lot more.
Well I guess I disagree. The slow HCs favour Djoko most. It's simply obvious. It will make attacking harder, will get many more balls back on his SHBH from which he won't be able to attack and will therefore be forced to rally versus Djoko who will simply use his better stamina. Completely doomed on slow HC whereas it could have been closer on any faster surface....especially with a lower bounce. Dimi's best perf this year is at Rotterdam, in my view still the fastest surface out there.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:39 am

With Dimitrov, against Nole, it would have to be attacking play of course, that's his only chance, but I don't see him win anyway, just too slow and nothing to hurt Nole with: too slow to outmanouver him, not enough power to blast him away.
If he serves well and goes forward, than it could at least be a nice match to watch.

I know you all like Dimi, I liked him more in the past, but he has never struck me as a deadly type of player. I would like to see him do well, of course, but can't see it happen with the way he moves at the moment. He ha adapted to slow conditions and deadened his game.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:43 am

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Well I guess I disagree. The slow HCs favour Djoko most. It's simply obvious. It will make attacking harder, will get many more balls back on his SHBH from which he won't be able to attack and will therefore be forced to rally versus Djoko who will simply use his better stamina. Completely doomed on slow HC whereas it could have been closer on any faster surface....especially with a lower bounce. Dimi's best perf this year is at Rotterdam, in my view still the fastest surface out there.

I am not saying Nole plays better on fast courts, on the contrary, medium to medium slow hard courts are his bread and butter, esp after he changed his game/racquet in 2009.

The comment was more to do with Dimitrov.
I can't remember how he played in Rotterdam (it's all a blur now after these few late-night tennis watching ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 3 2500761665 tbh), maybe he does play better on fast courts, but when I saw him last, my main impression and disappointment was how slow his movement was. Maybe comparing him to Federer didn't help there.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see what happens tonight. I was never among those who jumped on Dimitrov bandwagon but will be glad if he proves me wrong.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:48 am

I cannot I like him but I recognise he has some talent. You cannot be in teh top 100 nowadays with a SHBH without talent. I am pretty sure that Djoko and Nadal for instance would not make the top 100 with a SHBH. They woudl simply have a huge weakness (even if their SHBH was ok), they woudl not be able to keep the ball in those long rallies and woudl therefore lose teh use of their main strength which is to keep the ball in court and force rallying.

Yes Dimi has not got the footwork yet but he is still much better than Berdych or other top 10 at similar age in that mouvement department so he can only improve....and when he does we will see whether he can deliver. He is the kind of player who will considerably improve even late in his career as he has a tennis which requires touch and skills as opposed to lungs.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:48 am

There's their only match from Shanghai last year:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=D643&oId=D875#

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:54 am

Tenez wrote: Yes Dimi has not got the footwork yet but he is still much better than Berdych or other top 10 at similar age in that mouvement department so he can only improve....and when he does we will see whether he can deliver. He is the kind of player who will considerably improve even late in his career as he has a tennis which requires touch and skills as opposed to lungs.

Yes, he comes across as an all-court player and is a breath of fresh air among younger players. The thing with him he is kind of half-baked: he neither has the footwork to be more dangerous when attacking, nor the power of Berdych.

His heart is in the right place when it comes to the game, and it is hard for him to find his way now with current conditions and competition: he needs to perform and move up the ranking, and because he doesn't have the fast breakthrough game , he went for slower, safer way.
But definitely someone who can take off any time in the hands of the right coach, and especially someone who could speed up his feet.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:09 am

noleisthebest wrote:There's their only match from Shanghai last year:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=D643&oId=D875#

They have exactly 4 years difference. Imagine Dimi in 4 years time with a better game, better mouvement and better stamina and 4 more years experience of tour tennis at the top level. I am sure it woudl not have been a simple 62 63.

That is what we have to bear in mind when considering a youngster....and the reason why people can't see beyond teh current top 3.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:16 am


What does he say on sec 20? I can't quite hear it...

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:20 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:There's their only match from Shanghai last year:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=D643&oId=D875#

They have exactly 4 years difference. Imagine Dimi in 4 years time with a better game, better mouvement and better stamina and 4 more years experience of tour tennis at the top level. I am sure it woudl not have been a simple 62 63.

That is what we have to bear in mind when considering a youngster....and the reason why people can't see beyond teh current top 3.

It's not that hard to project Dimi or anyone in 4 years' time. But there's no need to be delusional about his talent, either. He's good, but not a prodigy.

Right now, tennis is in the state it's in and unfortunately things are either moving up very very slowly or are not moving anywhere at all, just cosmetics.

Top players are standing out as athletes and that's gone over the top big time. It's dragging the game down seriously. I really don't want to know anything abut Murray's sushi eating habits or whether he's faster than Bolt or how tough he is in the gym in Miami. Or that Adidas is making skintight outfits for him now so we can all "admire" his fitness.

So, it's not easy for young players to come through now and it's the hardest it's ever been.

Imagine if they adopted Nadal's 2 year protected ranking idea!!!! He is even kicking and screaming about 25 second rule now insulting umpires as being redundant and useless now (we have hawkeye, clock on the court's next, so who needs umpres?), he is a dangerous presence at the top and needs to be kept in check seriously. I hope Fed shows his teeth while he's still around.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:25 am

Tenez wrote:

What does he say on sec 20? I can't quite hear it...

He doesn't say anything on that topic.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:30 am

I mean at second 20.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:40 am

Tenez wrote:I mean at second 20.
oh, things I do for you.....listen to the same interview 3 times ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 3 49141995

He said: "I didn't like the tension of my racquet", being super sarcastic because he totally pulverised the racquet.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:02 pm

Yes that's what he says. I am getting deaf sorry.

Nice guy...hope he can do it tomorrow.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:11 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
It's not that hard to project Dimi or anyone in 4 years' time. But there's no need to be delusional about his talent, either. He's good, but not a prodigy.
I think it is very hard actually. When you think that a handful of points separate a slam winner than slam loser. Djoko won the AO being a couple of points away to lose in teh 1/4F, same happened in the FO and USO last year. How to predict glory from failure 4 years from now is so difficult. Look at Gulbis, Murray or Federer when he kept losing at 21. The path is really weird to predict and more so against those players who have potential which can go one way or another. Unlike Djoko, Murray and Nadal who banked on consistency, other are banking on timing, skills and hopefully faster conditions.

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Post by luvsports! on Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:40 pm

noleisthebest wrote:With Dimitrov, against Nole, it would have to be attacking play of course, that's his only chance, but I don't see him win anyway, just too slow and nothing to hurt Nole with: too slow to outmanouver him, not enough power to blast him away.
If he serves well and goes forward, than it could at least be a nice match to watch.

I know you all like Dimi, I liked him more in the past, but he has never struck me as a deadly type of player. I would like to see him do well, of course, but can't see it happen with the way he moves at the moment. He ha adapted to slow conditions and deadened his game.

I don't think he is slow at all, I think his footwork lets him down but in terms of foot speed he's got wheels!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRiAsKVJVN4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmhjdrVez4o

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:55 pm

luvsports! wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:With Dimitrov, against Nole, it would have to be attacking play of course, that's his only chance, but I don't see him win anyway, just too slow and nothing to hurt Nole with: too slow to outmanouver him, not enough power to blast him away.
If he serves well and goes forward, than it could at least be a nice match to watch.

I know you all like Dimi, I liked him more in the past, but he has never struck me as a deadly type of player. I would like to see him do well, of course, but can't see it happen with the way he moves at the moment. He ha adapted to slow conditions and deadened his game.

I don't think he is slow at all, I think his footwork lets him down but in terms of foot speed he's got wheels!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRiAsKVJVN4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmhjdrVez4o

Good point. It's more to do with teh lightness of his footwork. But when he knows where to go he is pretty fast.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:11 pm

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It's not that hard to project Dimi or anyone in 4 years' time. But there's no need to be delusional about his talent, either. He's good, but not a prodigy.
I think it is very hard actually. When you think that a handful of points separate a slam winner than slam loser. Djoko won the AO being a couple of points away to lose in teh 1/4F, same happened in the FO and USO last year. How to predict glory from failure 4 years from now is so difficult. Look at Gulbis, Murray or Federer when he kept losing at 21. The path is really weird to predict and more so against those players who have potential which can go one way or another. Unlike Djoko, Murray and Nadal who banked on consistency, other are banking on timing, skills and hopefully faster conditions.
For me it's pretty easy. I am not talking about slam winners or how many slams they can win, but more if they are slam material.
I admit, at this particular stage in tennis evolution it is very hard to predict as we have never had such physical enviroment and conditions of play.
It used to be quite different in the past, and you could easily tell, esp as players were making natural breakthrough in their early twenties. Now that's shifted forward and we don't have a clue how it's going to go for them in 5 years, but only guess.
I wonder how hard it would be for Nole to break through if he was 19 now for example, like he was at IW in 2007.
Same for Murray, except I can see that Murray would not even make it to top 50 the way he was then.
Raonic would have done a lot better off/ more successful for example had he been born 5 years earlier.

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Nadal shared a friendly hit on Sunday with tournament owner Larry Ellison, the co-founder and CEO of Oracle Corp. and one of the world's wealthiest men.

"His backhand improve, especially a lot from last year, so that's great," Nadal said. "It's great what he's doing for tennis and
especially this tournament. He knows more about tennis I think than me
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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:32 pm

Nastiest man I can think off too. A not very honest man who made his money on the back of 4 engineers of IBM.

Not surprised those 2 like each other.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:51 pm

Someone's recently compared him to Tiriac in the way they "experiment" and play with their money by having their tennis tournaments.

I didn't like his in your face way of carrying on when Donskoy was beating Murray the other day. I don't even want to know what goes behind his closed door....European spring season can't come quick enough!
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Post by laverfan on Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:37 pm

Federer tweaked his back against Dodig. Cry

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Post by Tenez on Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:10 pm

laverfan wrote:Federer tweaked his back against Dodig. Cry
Yes. Did you see that? Or did you just read it here?

The point is I have seen it before but never as obvious. Yesterday it clearly looked as if it was teh back while at teh FO12 v that unknown player I was not too sure where the pain was but clearly something happened there that troubled him till mid Wimbledon.

The good news is that he coudl get still win with it and it seems to be able to "fit it" quickly but clearly if it is as bad as the last game he will pull out of the tournament.

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Post by laverfan on Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:08 pm

Yes I saw it. The drop shot from Dodig, hit the net cord, and Federer had to turn around and hit it (was a winner). Good shot, but then he played like a rigid pole and first serves were clearly impacted. He was just standing in one place and hitting the ball.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:09 pm

Matches already started ages ago! I thought they started at 7PM UK time!
Cilic up a set against Raonic, Tsonga serving to play a TB vs Fish.

Just saw it was 12 in IW, they must have changed clocks or stg...great, so that means tennis starts at 6 tomorrow ATP 1000: Indian Wells - Page 3 364988687

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