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Post by laverfan on Fri Feb 15, 2013 10:39 am

Since I had done the research already, I thought posters who exclusively post here may need/find this information useful. This is based on the current ATP calendar.

Here is a list of available Clay tournaments...

Slam - RG
Masters - Madrid, MC, Rome
ATP 500 - Acapulco, Barcelona, Hamburg
ATP 250 - Bastad, Bogota, Bucharest, Buenos Aires, Casablanca, Dusseldorf (Team), Estoril, Gstaad, Houston, Kitzbuhel, Munich, Nice, Sao Paulo, Stuttgart, Umag, Vina del Mar

Total - 23 Tournaments

Hard ...

WTF - Barclays London
Slams - Australian Open, US Open
Masters - Cincinnati, Indian Wells, Miami, Montreal, Paris, Shanghai
ATP 500 - Basel, Beijing, Dubai, Memphis, Rotterdam, Tokyo, Valencia, Washington
ATP 250 - Atlanta, Auckland, Bangkok, Brisbane, Chennai, Delray Beach, Doha, Kuala Lumpur, Marseille, Metz, Montpellier, Moscow, San Jose, St. Petersburg, Stockholm, Sydney, Vienna, Winston-Salem, Zagreb

Total 36 Tournaments

Grass...

Slam - Wimbledon
ATP 250 - Eastbourne, Halle, London-Queens, Newport, 's-Hertogenbosch

Total 6 Tournaments

List source is - http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tournaments/Tournament-Landing.aspx

Points available are

Clay - 2000 (RG), 3 x 1000 (MC, Rome, Madrid), 3 x 500 , 15 x 250 (ATP - leaving Dusseldorf Powerhorse out) = 10,250 8,750
HC - 1500 (WTF), 4000 (USO, AO), 6 x 1000 (MSes), 8 x 500 , 19 x 250 = 20,250
Grass - 2000, 5 x 250 = 3,250 3,750 (Should I even bother Wah )

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Post by Tenez on Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:10 am

There you are.....Welcome back. reading your post....

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Post by Tenez on Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:18 am

So what is your conclusion about it?
I think it would be even more informative to sort those surfaces per week (and points) than just by numbers. ...though it woudl not make much difference. On grass for instance one cannot win more than 2750 points and he will have to stick to a crazy schedule.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:24 am

BTW LF - Did you manage to get all the stats about players ground covering...per year...per match....etc...? Those woudl be the most interesting stats to have in tennis nowadays.

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Post by laverfan on Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:24 am

I will add Calendar dates/Weeks. It is possible for players to play on just Clay or Hard and be successful, without crossing over to other, if there are health-related concerns.

You are correct, natural Grass, is much harder to maintain as well.

I would love to see a Grass 500 or Masters, if possible.

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Post by laverfan on Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:27 am

Tenez wrote:BTW LF - Did you manage to get all the stats about players ground covering...per year...per match....etc...? Those woudl be the most interesting stats to have in tennis nowadays.

That is a very slow project and data sources are very scarce. I have tried to keep it going, but public information is not easily available. I have connections at the local University, which is what I am exploring right now. I hope I can finish or at least give it some shape and post information here. Thanks for asking.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:30 am

Well thanks for the good work.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:22 pm

laverfan wrote:I will add Calendar dates/Weeks. It is possible for players to play on just Clay or Hard and be successful, without crossing over to other, if there are health-related concerns.

You are correct, natural Grass, is much harder to maintain as well.

I would love to see a Grass 500 or Masters, if possible.

I suppose we're about to find that out with Nadal.

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Post by sphairistike on Fri Feb 15, 2013 4:50 pm

Welcome back LF. But as Tenez said, what's your point here? Also, a few mistakes. Clay: you are not counting the ATP 500 in your total points (so 3 x 500 = 1500 are missing) and Grass: 5 x 250 = 4 x 250 + 250 = 1,250 not 1,750 Doh ( sorry ) Also, there should be other points counted on how many points are available for a single player, out of all these tournaments, in which case, you should not double count for the ones that fall at the same time, no?...

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Post by Tenez on Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:12 pm

sphairistike wrote:... Also, there should be other points counted on how many points are available for a single player, out of all these tournaments, in which case, you should not double count for the ones that fall at the same time, no?...
This is why I said "per week" woudl be a good way to measure the spread...but then I realised the proportion allocated per surface would be quite similar.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:21 pm

None of this would've been discussed had Nadal not moaned about too many hard courts...after happily playing on them all these years.....can anyone really see anything changing as a result of it?
I can't!
So what's the point....

If anything needs to be changed that's the speed of those courts. Nothing drastic, just enough to discourage ridiculous running into stands in order to retrieve the ball.

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Post by truffin1 on Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:15 pm

I wonder if Nadal is going to pull out of his well paying Expo in March at MSG on hard courts? :-).... lol...not..

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Post by laverfan on Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:48 pm

sphairistike wrote:Welcome back LF. But as Tenez said, what's your point here? Also, a few mistakes. Clay: you are not counting the ATP 500 in your total points (so 3 x 500 = 1500 are missing) and Grass: 5 x 250 = 4 x 250 + 250 = 1,250 not 1,750 Doh ( sorry ) Also, there should be other points counted on how many points are available for a single player, out of all these tournaments, in which case, you should not double count for the ones that fall at the same time, no?...

Corrected. I was looking at available points, not if two events fell on the same week. http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tournaments/Event-Calendar.aspx

Some of this would have to be on a specific players schedule for that player to accumulate, and as you and T point out would be per week (excluding DC we have).

250 - 30/12 Brisbane 31/12 Doha 31/12 Chennai

250 - 07/01 Sydney 07/01 Auckland

2000 - 14/01 Aus. Open

250 - 04/02 Montpellier 04/02 Zagreb 04/02 Viña del Mar

500 - 11/02 Rotterdam

250 - 11/02 San Jose 11/02 São Paulo

500 - 18/02 Memphis or 250 - 18/02 Marseille 18/02 Buenos Aires

500 - 25/02 Dubai or 250 - 25/02 Acapulco 25/02 Delray Beach

1000 - 07/03 Indian Wells

1000 - 20/03 Miami

250 - 08/04 Casablanca 08/04 Houston

1000 - 14/04 Monte-Carlo

500 - 22/04 Barcelona or 250 - 22/04 Bucharest

250 - 29/04 Estoril 29/04 Munich

1000 - 05/05 Madrid

1000 - 12/05 Rome

250 - 19/05 Nice

2000 - 26/05 Roland Garros

250 - 10/06 Halle 10/06 London

250 - 16/06 Den Bosch 17/06 Eastbourne

2000 - 24/06 Wimbledon

250 - 08/07 Båstad 08/07 Stuttgart 08/07 Newport

500 - 15/07 Hamburg or 250 - 15/07 Bogota

250 - 22/07 Atlanta 22/07 Gstaad 22/07 Umag

250 - 28/07 Kitzbühel or 500 - 29/07 Washington

1000 - 05/08 Montreal

1000 - 11/08 Cincinnati

250 - 18/08 Winston Salem

2000 - 26/08 US Open

250 - 16/09 Metz 16/09 St. Petersburg

250 - 23/09 Kuala Lumpur 23/09 Bangkok

500 - 30/09 Beijing 30/09 Tokyo

1000 - 06/10 Shanghai

250 - 14/10 Moscow 14/10 Stockholm 14/10 Vienna

500 - 21/10 Valencia 21/10 Basel

1000 - 28/10 Paris

1500 - 04/11 London

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