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Post by Tenez on Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:47 pm

Ah..ok only if Ferrer loses...so Ferrer won't lose that's for sure.

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Post by laverfan on Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:49 pm

Tipsy leads 4-1. Winking

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Post by SayonaRa on Sat Nov 10, 2012 7:59 pm

OMG, tipsy found his winning form overnight!


yayyyyyy

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:05 pm

I thought the match was starting at 8 PM...5:3 already WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 8 563610107!!!!!

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Post by SayonaRa on Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:16 pm

I was saying all these mean things about tipsy this morning.

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Post by SayonaRa on Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:18 pm

oops..


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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:22 pm

Happy for Tips, being able to play his game after two rotten matches.
The question now arises:

who's got bigger thighs? WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 8 1071211947

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Post by SayonaRa on Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:26 pm

You mean big thighs help players win matches? WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 8 2033450363

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:37 pm

I shudder to think what some players would look in those little white 80s shorts....

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Nov 10, 2012 8:40 pm

Ferrer and Tipsarevic played an exciting 5 setter in the last USO.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:04 pm

1 set all....percentage tennis at its worst....

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:20 pm

Whe I see what cr@p tennis Ferrer plays I'm elated Delpo's in the semis !

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Post by SayonaRa on Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:35 pm

Looks like Fed-Murray tomorrow.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:39 pm

And the agony is over....
Semi final pairs:

Federer - Murray

Djokovic - Del Potro

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Nov 10, 2012 9:43 pm

Order of play:

14.15
Djokovic - Del Potro

19.45
Federer- Murray

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Post by laverfan on Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:10 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Whe I see what cr@p tennis Ferrer plays I'm elated Delpo's in the semis !

To e@ch his own, NITB. He beat Del Potro in RR stage, a feat that neither Federer nor Tipsy could replicate. Laugh

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Post by summerblues on Sat Nov 10, 2012 10:34 pm

Not saying Fed tanked today but I doubt he was willing to leave it all out there either. Also, if you were Fed, would you rather have Nole play Ferrer or Delpo tomorrow? There really was not much point in spilling his guts out there today. Let's hope a different Fed shows up tomorrow.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:15 am

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Nothing much for Fed to pick between having Murray or Djokovic in semis. Either would have played just about the same against him.

Same scenario with Delpo, given a choice he too wouldn't have been able to pick a semi-final opponent on a solid ground. But his match is going to be tough for him, anyone who can run a lot and not shy from defending is a very tough opponent for Delpo. Fed isn't willing to do that, and hence its easier for Delpo. The opponent who don't mind how the points comes, they will always trouble Delpo.


Its surprising how easily Fed can beat Ferrer but struggle against Delpo, but Ferrer will so comfortably crush Delpo. Matchups are a funny thing.



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Post by SayonaRa on Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:50 am

A lot of RR strategy involved for Fed, I think, trying to anticipate the best scenario for him re who plays who in the semi.

As SB implies, seems to me too he didn't play to win yesterday vs Delpo. Better send the 1-slam winner than 0-slam ferrer go fight with Djoko. that's why he was thinking of Ferrer while playing delpo.

Can't wait for the semi vs Murray. If he comes out playing like he did the 2nd set yesterday, consistently, he'd have a good chance vs anybody. then we know for sure yesterday's loss was precalculated, and like amri suggested, he was also saving energy to fry a bigger fish tonight. WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 8 1071211947

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Post by gallery play on Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:57 am

That's not what SB implied imo. "not playing to win" and "leaving it all out there" are 2 different things.
How long have you been watching Federer? Did he ever made calculations like that? Besides, how could he possibly have a preference for that semi anyway? Djoko/Murray, what's the difference?

Meetings with Delpo turned out in marathons this year, that's not what he wanted this time. Reasonable given the fact he was already qualified. So he tried to force the issue but the form was not there, and Delpo played too solid.
I also think he prefered Ferrer to play the semi in order to exhaust his possible opponant in the final.

His level dropped but definitly not on purpose, so i would be very surprised if he gets to the final anyway

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Post by Tenez on Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:29 am

I'd be very surprised to. Federer played well the first 5 months of the year, then a couple of matches at Wimby and Cincy and pretty poorly since.

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Post by SayonaRa on Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:39 am

gallery play wrote:That's not what SB implied imo. "not playing to win" and "leaving it all out there" are 2 different things.
How long have you been watching Federer? Did he ever made calculations like that? Besides, how could he possibly have a preference for that semi anyway? Djoko/Murray, what's the difference?

Meetings with Delpo turned out in marathons this year, that's not what he wanted this time. Reasonable given the fact he was already qualified. So he tried to force the issue but the form was not there, and Delpo played too solid.
I also think he prefered Ferrer to play the semi in order to exhaust his possible opponant in the final.

His level dropped but definitly not on purpose, so i would be very surprised if he gets to the final anyway

WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 8 C:\DOCUME~1\KHAUMI~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\msohtml1\01\clip_image001Hello gp,
you know that we’re speculating/discussing the plausible scenarios in the unique context
of the WTF RR format. In this regard, I’ve watched him played 3 previous times
in the O2 and each time his form and RR scenarios were different. Does that answer your question?

Elsewhere you’ve mostly misrepresented my post. I was referring
to SB’s question: “if you were Fed, would you rather have Nole play Ferrer or
Delpo tomorrow?” My comments are not about who Fed himself wants to play but
who he wants Nole to play. Let me know if this is still not clear.

http://ourtennisforum.forumotion.co.uk/t186-federer-misses-his-former-rivals

I’ve already commented in this thread yesterday morning that I
predict last year maybe the last time RF held the WTF trophy. I agree 100% he
is not in championship form. No question. That’s quite apparent. But ultimately, I suspect we
may not know everything that's going on, as there are puzzling scenarios that just
don’t square up or hard to understand.

As you seem to be rather informed on this stuff, I was wondering if you could help me figure out the following
questions:

1) If RF was really SO out of form, how did he manage to play the
2nd set so swiftly and almost flawlessly? Where did he get that energy
to leap like a frog all over the court for the entire duration of this winning set?


2) Having seen his commanding form in the 2nd set, how can you know for sure his drop of form before and after the 2nd set
is natural or not?


3) Federer said: I was thinking more about David than about (the semis vs) Andy & Novak; more disappointed for him than I am about losing today.”

Why was Ferrer a factor? What’s your interpretation of his statement that he wasn't that disappointed about losing? In other words, he was virtually saying he didn't mind the loss to delpo!! i'm sure you've followed Roger for a long time. How many times have you heard him suggest he's more disappointed for another player's result rather than his own loss?

4) Why do you think a 0-slam Ferrer is a tougher opponent for Djoko than a 1-slam Delpo who’s actually won a final on the biggest stage?


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Post by laverfan on Sun Nov 11, 2012 1:44 pm

SR wrote:
4) Why do you think a 0-slam Ferrer is a tougher opponent for Djoko than a 1-slam Delpo who’s actually won a final on the biggest stage?

Because Ferrer is better at extracting errors from opponents, more than Del Po is capable off. Yesterday, Del Po just rallied with Federer's BH in very many instances.

In the opening stages of the much-anticipated match-up, Federer applied early pressure. At 4-4, del Potro saved three break points with an ace, powerful forehand and a Federer error. The Swiss was noticably annoyed, particularly after losing six straight points from a 2-1 advantage in the tie-break. By the end of the set, Federer had committed 21 unforced errors. Del Potro clinched his third set point chance on serve, finishing a 52-minute set.

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Post by SayonaRa on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:01 pm

Yes, "extracting errors from opponents" ranking below him, I think, not above him. That's why he remains stuck where he is ranked, somehow can't touch the top (4) guys.

In Djoko's current form, he would wear out ferrer first. Just look how unsteady he was vs Tipsy.

Re the Fed match, I still don't have an answer as to why he was in total control in the 2nd set, despite all those errors in the other 2.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:16 pm

Yeah, what I meant was sort of what gp was saying. I do not think Fed came out determined to tank. I think he was trying to win but if the victory was not readily there he was not going to do all in his power to try to find it - and hard to see why he would given he had already qualified and given that having Delpo advance might have looked like a more favorable option to him anyway.

In any event, we will see today how he fares against Andy. Fed's form has not looked great of late so I am worried for him. But then, it is Fed and this is WTF, so I also have hopes for him.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:17 pm

But let's first see if Delpo can trouble Nole. Delpo has looked good lately but so has Nole. My hunch is that Delpo will not be able to blast through Nole.

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Post by SayonaRa on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:26 pm

summerblues wrote: he was not going to do all in his power to try to find it .

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:29 pm

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:37 pm

Anyone timing how long Del Potro takes between the points?

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:41 pm

Super stuff from Nole, sharp, loose, focused, oooooh yes! WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 8 83870220

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Post by summerblues on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:48 pm

Good hold from Delpo but Nole looking very sharp so far. If he plays like this I do not see Delpo giving him much trouble.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:49 pm

Delpo playing pretty well, too.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:50 pm

summerblues wrote:Good hold from Delpo but Nole looking very sharp so far. If he plays like this I do not see Delpo giving him much trouble.
Yes, you get the impression Delpo is playing at the top of his ability and Nole's got plenty more in the bag. Delpo must be under huge pressure to keep the level up.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:51 pm

Oh, no!!!They are playing my favourite song of all times Dancing in the Dark Go Boss!!!!!!!! WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 8 151447854

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Post by summerblues on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:52 pm

Yes, Delpo is playing ok, but he will not be able to blast through Nole and he is no Fed to create opportunities out of nowhere. He can only hope to hit Nole off the court, but, as I said, I do not see it happening unless Nole's level drops.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:53 pm

Who says Djoko hits teh ball flat? It;s pretty loopy and ball has a good length but he hits softer than most players.

He si in my view very similar to Hewitt....just fitter even and thanks to his tall size better shots too.

He must be a nightmare to play against.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:55 pm

Tenez wrote:Who says Djoko hits teh ball flat? It;s pretty loopy and ball has a good length but he hits softer than most players.

He si in my view very similar to Hewitt....just fitter even and thanks to his tall size better shots too.

He must be a nightmare to play against.

oh there you are WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 8 1071211947 !

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Post by summerblues on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:56 pm

Why is the final being played on Monday? Is it a holiday in the UK? I will miss it Sad

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Post by laverfan on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:57 pm

SR wrote:Yes, "extracting errors from opponents" ranking below him, I think, not above him. That's why he remains stuck where he is ranked, somehow can't touch the top (4) guys.

He gave Federer a torrid time.

SR wrote:In Djoko's current form, he would wear out ferrer first. Just look how unsteady he was vs Tipsy.

Tipsy was up 4-1 and close to a breadstick in the first set, but Ferrer lost that set 6-4 (with a BP in the tenth game). Winking


SR wrote:Re the Fed match, I still don't have an answer as to why he was in total control in the 2nd set, despite all those errors in the other 2.

He won 20 of his 25 service points and made just eight errors in the 35-minute set.

Del Potro gave up control, not that Federer took control, the break that Federer had after Del Potro relaxed from the first set TB, is what Federer continued with, to win the set.

First serve pts won

Set 1 - Federer (79%), Del Potro (82%)
Set 2 - Federer (81%), Del Potro (62%)
Set 3 - Federer (73%), Del Potro (94%).

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summerblues wrote:Why is the final being played on Monday? Is it a holiday in the UK? I will miss it WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 8 1371890812

don't know, there's no holiday, but it makes no difference to me WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 8 650269930

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Post by summerblues on Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:59 pm

Ouch.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:00 pm

C'mon Nole get this one!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:01 pm

I just love how Nole saves these BP points!!!!!!! WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 8 151447854 WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 8 4052418255 WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 8 478237397
Utter Genius!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:03 pm

Good, meaty match so far!

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Post by summerblues on Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:04 pm

Well, Nole's level dropped in this game, he threw in some ugly errors, and it still was not enough.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:05 pm

Is Delpo's FH over rated? WIth his size he shoudl have a better one in my view.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:05 pm

summerblues wrote:Well, Nole's level dropped in this game, he threw in some ugly errors, and it still was not enough.
That smash doesn't cout, Delpo's netting his bread and butter forehands over the lowest part of the net however WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 8 123628122

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:06 pm

Break him now, Nole!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Nov 11, 2012 3:06 pm

Tenez wrote:Is Delpo's FH over rated? WIth his size he shoudl have a better one in my view.
Agreed. He relies on bashing it too much.

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