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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:08 pm

Yes not convinced of what I saw today and the great display we saw on Tuesday might be down to a good week of rest and an injured Tips.

However in Ferrer's favour he plays better and better. His has become a more skilful player by sending spinnier and more angled shot than in the past. It was obvious today to observe that a good cross court FH could quickly turn into a liability if the opponent was able to put his racquet on it cause it coudl then effortlessly "cross-court" it back with even more angle (Djokoka, Murray and Federer are also very good at that). All those shots were impossible with nat gut...or simply way too risky to attempt regularly.

It's so clear now why Federer lost so much power on his FH since 2007. He understood it was much better to put the ball back and "construct" the point than going for too many winners, especially with teh conds slowing down and players running faster.

I woudl really love to go back to nat string. I woudl not mind the slow courts even...just nat gut woudl make a huge difference. Tennis woudl be faster but riskier. No different from what you see from Llodra.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:17 pm

SR wrote:VJ pointed
out to me that Ferrer didn’t do anything remarkable for most of his early
career. Then all of a sudden at the tail end, he surges to top5! Some posters
believe his late rise is due to the current trend winning points from baseline
rallies rather that suits ferrer’s style.
I dunno.

Yes. This is what I think...but as I keep saying the new strings gave him more and more depth and security on his shots. He probably moved to synth strings in the early 00s but you just develop how to use them better with teh years...no different than Federer who adopted them in 2002 I believe but changed his FH in 2007 and got better at it with more experience.

I am still very surprised he can run as much though but he is quite short, low gravity, bends his legs a lot so he is certainly physically designed to run but but I woudl not be surprised if he gets some "help" as well. NOt as obvious as others if you ask me.


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Post by laverfan on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:17 pm

Federer was under a lot of pressure and saved 9/10 BPs. Quite different from the WTF 2011 0/0 match.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Share/Match-Facts-Pop-Up.aspx?t=605&y=2011&r=6&p=F324

Federer converted 2/4 BPs today compared to 3/8 in WTF 2011.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:34 pm

Fed won as expected, he is just too good for Ferrer. As rusty as he was today, still was good enough for Ferrer. But he really needs to up his level. atm he is playing really poor.

He probably will qualify for the semis, but whoever he meets there ( even if its Berdych), its not going to be easy.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:39 pm

Fed is tired. It's actually quite obvious. I however do not typically believe in "end of season" physical tiredness.....excpet for Ferrer of course who plays 3 tournament in succession.

SO I am a bit puzzled as to why Fed seems tired...maybe mentally/motivation then? Or he is simply one of the very few not having anything else but orange juice.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:57 pm

Tenez wrote:Fed is tired. It's actually quite obvious. I however do not typically believe in "end of season" physical tiredness.....excpet for Ferrer of course who plays 3 tournament in succession.

SO I am a bit puzzled as to why Fed seems tired...maybe mentally/motivation then? Or he is simply one of the very few not having anything else but orange juice.
I am sure he'll muster up his A form in the semis. He can't afford to play lazy against Murray, and although the court is not fast, he has played some super tennis at the O2.
I will be interesting to see him, I'd be very disappointed if he doesn't come pumped-up for that match, although, it wouldn't be the end of the world either.

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Post by SayonaRa on Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:59 pm

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I heard a rumor that he won W this year pre-Olympics only because no body was having anything else but orange juice. WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 2033450363

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Post by laverfan on Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:16 pm

SR wrote:WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 2033450363

I heard a rumor that he won W this year pre-Olympics only because no body was having anything else but orange juice. WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 2033450363

Do not believe every rumour you hear.

BTW, did you hear the rumour that Romney is the US president? Laugh

I have also heard Muster will try, yet again, to play RG as a wild card.

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Post by SayonaRa on Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:30 pm

Gee, LF, thanks for the advice. What would I do without such kindness? WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 364988687

Bottom line for me is we are so lucky to be living in a free world. You believe in what you want and I believe in what I want. A deal?


BTW, who cares about Romney and Muster?

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:44 pm

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I heard a rumor that he won W this year pre-Olympics only because no body was having anything else but orange juice. WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 2033450363

Now you mention it it makes sense.

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Post by sphairistike on Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:32 pm

noleisthebest wrote:Why is there no wolf-whistling when Federer changes the shirt like there is when Nadal does it . One of the great mysteries of life....

From the atp site (http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2012/11/45/London-Finale-Thursday-Federer-Ferrer.aspx) here is the extract, seems they listened to you Nitb:

Both players lost just six point on serve through eight service games in the second set. Ferrer could not convert two break point chances in the opening game, as Federer produced an exquisite angled volley and lob volley to stay alive. At 5-6, Ferrer won four straight points from 0/30 to take the set to a tie-break. Federer, who received wolf-whistles for changing his shirt, returned refreshed and opened up a 4-2 lead in the tie-break. Well-placed serves moved Federer further ahead to 6-3. He snatched at a forehand on his first match point and Ferrer hit an unreturned serve on the second. But Federer soon celebrated his 14th straight win over Ferrer.
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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:05 pm

sphairistike wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:Why is there no wolf-whistling when Federer changes the shirt like there is when Nadal does it . One of the great mysteries of life....

From the atp site (http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2012/11/45/London-Finale-Thursday-Federer-Ferrer.aspx) here is the extract, seems they listened to you Nitb:

Both players lost just six point on serve through eight service games in the second set. Ferrer could not convert two break point chances in the opening game, as Federer produced an exquisite angled volley and lob volley to stay alive. At 5-6, Ferrer won four straight points from 0/30 to take the set to a tie-break. Federer, who received wolf-whistles for changing his shirt, returned refreshed and opened up a 4-2 lead in the tie-break. Well-placed serves moved Federer further ahead to 6-3. He snatched at a forehand on his first match point and Ferrer hit an unreturned serve on the second. But Federer soon celebrated his 14th straight win over Ferrer.
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Post by noleisthebest on Thu Nov 08, 2012 8:34 pm

Realising tennis season is finishing on Monday, I've just tuned in to see Delpo Tipsarevic only to find out that the first has already gone , and Tips has been bagelled WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 563610107
the thing that annoys me is, if he's not fit to play, why didn't he give the chance to Gasquet.
He received the same privilege from Murray last year.
I wouldn't be surprised if he retired before the match ends.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:45 am

Does anyone believe in Tsonga's win today?

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Post by Tenez on Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:46 am

Nope. But I do believe in Berdych's win....thanks to DJoko trying to mess things up for Murray. WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 1071211947

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:52 am

Tenez wrote:Nope. But I do believe in Berdych's win....thanks to DJoko trying to mess things up for Murray. WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 1071211947

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:57 am

There is no Czech-mate scenario for Nole, the closest one is:

8) If T. BERDYCH defeats N. DJOKOVIC in 2 sets and A. MURRAY defeats J.
TSONGA in 3 sets, then T. BERDYCH wins the group and N. DJOKOVIC
qualifies 2nd.

in which case he is depending on Tsonga, and I think he'll leave it to that...

am I missing a safe scenario, how can Nole knocka out Murray without depending on Tsonga?


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Post by Tenez on Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:57 am

Good one. What this tournament is telling us is that the ATP ranking is pretty accurate.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:00 am

I suspected Tsonga to be a whipping boy of the group as soon as I saw the draws. I think he'd've had more chance had he been in group B instead of Tipsarevic.
The groups are quite unbalanced, but it won't matter come Sunday.

I don't know if it's just me, but WTF has never been so predictable!

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Post by SayonaRa on Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:45 pm

Wow, haven't seen Djoko played with such absolute command. What a bully!

B looks rather intimidated. Hopes he rises up to the challenge.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:51 pm

Berdych is so disappointing. The FHs errors on BPs were ridiculous.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:53 pm

Henman is a really good commentator defining the players' strengthes and weaknesses very well.

Also very balanced in his judgement.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:00 pm

Berdych hasn't got quick hands. He can hit a soft ball hard but he can't hit a pacy ball in. When it does there is too much luck involved.

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Post by SayonaRa on Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:05 pm

Tenez wrote:Henman is a really good commentator defining the players' strengthes and weaknesses very well.

Also very balanced in his judgement.

I do
live-streaming, no commentaries.

Yes, I like Henman. Someone told me the other
day some idiot asked how he feels being never a part of the wtf. That’s such a
cruel and stupid question. I feel so sorry for Henman.

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Post by SayonaRa on Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:06 pm

First set almost done. Djoko hardly broke a set.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:08 pm

Henman said that Djoko is so athletic that he can play aggressive even using big margins. This is how Nadal and Murray are aggressive too and that can be done by hitting hard and spinny. Djoko has better length than the other 2 on his FH while Murray has better length on teh BH side.

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Post by SayonaRa on Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:34 pm

When it
clicks his baseline hits are incredibly accurate, powerful and consistent. He got broken
changing pattern playing closer to the net.
Looks like after the break B's emboldened a bit.

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Post by SayonaRa on Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:57 pm

what happened to djoko? errors creeping in.

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Post by luvsports! on Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:58 pm

what a shot bird!

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Post by luvsports! on Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:06 pm

5-1 down to 8-6 tie break win bird blew it Sad

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:08 pm

Nole looking as I'd like him to look WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 83870220

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:10 pm

Tenez wrote:Berdych hasn't got quick hands. He can hit a soft ball hard but he can't hit a pacy ball in. When it does there is too much luck involved.

yes, that sums him up nicely. Still, I like watching his bullets fly low over the net.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:12 pm

I hope Tsonga finds something somewhere inside him to leave O2 with his head high tonight. He really needs it.


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Post by Tenez on Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:13 pm

A boring match which can be summed up as one player spraying the ball everywhere while the other brought the very few in back.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:14 pm

Tenez wrote:A boring match which can be summed up as one player spraying the ball everywhere while the other brought the very few in back.
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it was a bit boring WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 1071211947

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Post by sphairistike on Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:15 pm

Congrats Nole for finishing first of group A WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 83870220

Perfect score in terms of matches, not so in terms of sets WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 2211252749

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:19 pm

I am beginning to get excited now, as it's looking quite possible that Nole will play in the final.
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Fed is not going to tank against Delpo is he?

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:23 pm

sphairistike wrote:Congrats Nole for finishing first of group A WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 83870220

Perfect score in terms of matches, not so in terms of sets WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 2211252749

Well, let's see if the peRFect One gives you the peRFect sets score.....

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Post by Veejay on Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:33 pm

Good match from Novak,cant believe how Berdych blew the tie break

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Post by sphairistike on Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:33 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I am beginning to get excited now, as it's looking quite possible that Nole will play in the final.
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Fed is not going to tank against Delpo is he?

Well, of course not, he'll beat Del Po in straight sets (maybe one TB) and get peRFect score in both matches and sets and go through as first of his group.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:51 pm

Yes, I'd love to see that final, it really would be cherry on the top for such a wonderful year they both had.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:10 pm

Come on Jo!!!!!! WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 273093567 It's only Murray on the other side....

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:14 pm

Live, Murray's backside looks wider or almost as wide as his shoulders. Looks a bit funny. I'm really curios to know what on earth he did to pile on all that muscle mass, as legs are not easy to build muscles on.

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Post by Veejay on Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:37 pm

Very poor from Tsonga...quite shocking actually Yikes

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:42 pm

Tsonga is playing with zero confidence. It's not nice to watch.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:53 pm

Wow!
Tsonga remembers that he is capable of S&Volleying....too late...

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 8:57 pm

Murray's defense is ridiculously good at times.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:06 pm

What a point and Tsonga wins the crazy rally, I would've died if Murray made that ball.....Tsonga breaks back WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 4052418255 C'mon Jo, hold serve now!

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:08 pm

Third set would be really interesting as both players must be spent physically.

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Tsonga goes wild, at laaaaast WORLD TOUR FINALS 2012, London - Page 6 364988687

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