Search
 
 

Display results as :
 


Rechercher Advanced Search

Latest topics
» Some humour for this forum
Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? EmptyFri Nov 29, 2019 6:51 pm by naxroy

» Generation Worthless
Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? EmptySun Nov 24, 2019 10:43 pm by BEL19VE

» World Tour Final - London 2019
Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? EmptySun Nov 24, 2019 12:23 am by naxroy

» Will Nadal ever win a Tour Finals title?
Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? EmptySat Nov 16, 2019 2:34 am by summerblues

» When cupcake draws can't save you
Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? EmptyFri Nov 15, 2019 10:16 pm by Daniel2

» General Election 2019: Advice
Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? EmptyFri Nov 15, 2019 7:01 pm by bogbrush

» Fall 2019 tournaments
Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? EmptyFri Nov 15, 2019 2:16 pm by legendkillar

» Has Rafa asked Fed to his nuptials, and would Fed go if asked?
Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? EmptyFri Oct 18, 2019 6:11 pm by barrystar

» FIFA World Cup, Russia 2018
Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? EmptyThu Oct 17, 2019 7:47 pm by hariprakesh321

December 2019
MonTueWedThuFriSatSun
      1
2345678
9101112131415
16171819202122
23242526272829
3031     

Calendar Calendar

Affiliates
free forum


Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by barrystar on Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:27 am

The draw came out a couple of days ago amid fevered anticipation, and the two best players in the world away from clay this year are..... missing.

Now 2019 looks like every other year since 2005 (dominance of big 2, 3, or 4 and the rest finding ways to lose) there's pretty thin gruel in this draw.

Nadal once more headlines at what is for him the most productive HC tournament (4 wins) and getting out of his quarter is on his racquet - Fognini, Goffin, Coric... nah.

Tsitsipas is seeded to meet Nadal in the SF and, assuming none of them trip up over a minnow, will face a QF vs. Bautista Agut or Nishikori the bridesmaid.  Both played well at Wimbledon, but of the two BA is the more likely to show a gear change.

The third quarter has Zverev seeded to meet Kachanov in the last 8 and both face the same dilemma of a decent official ranking hiding the fact that they are slipping away this year, currently outside WTF qualification with big looming points defences.  Unless something changes we'll be seeing how they cope away from a gilded world of 1st round byes and decentish draws.

The greatest interest (?) is in the bottom quarter which contains the three home 'hopes', FAA potentially facing Raonic in R3, and Shapovalov facing Thiem in R2.  Of most interest to me is Kyrgios, who must negotiate his R1 vs. Kyle Edmund to face a replay of the Washington final vs. Medvedev.  Kyrgios says he 'still has it', well, he can start showing that now.  I'd like to see him have a break-through US season and emerge as a genuine threat at the USO (perhaps R4 vs. Nadal....?), but I fear that this Aussie of Greek origin is more akin to the mythological Greek, Icarus.

I don't think we'll learn a whole lot about what will happen in the later rounds of the USO here, so let's get it done with and roll on Cincinnati.

barrystar

Posts : 869
Join date : 2017-11-07

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:02 am

Thanks for starting the thread Barry, well-written opening thread. We missed some of the tennis post wimbledon. Most of us were recovering from the PTSD after the final.

Kyrgios is coming from a win last week. If he can manage motivation enough to meet Nadal/Tsitsi in F, I'll count him to win. But he is he.

Thiem will likely lose before QF. Zverev too.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark

Posts : 3378
Join date : 2012-07-20

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by Tenez on Tue Aug 06, 2019 10:31 pm

Nadal's is again ridiculously easy. ,,,but I am sure he will make a mess of it. he is not good of everything that is not dead slow.

Tenez

Posts : 20362
Join date : 2012-06-18

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Wed Aug 07, 2019 11:58 am

Tenez wrote:Nadal's is again ridiculously easy. ,,,but I am sure he will make a mess of it. he is not good of everything that is not dead slow.

Can you define how a tough draw for Nadal would look like given this playing field. The only one possible was Krygios who wasn't even going to face Nadal coz poor Nick lost in R1. Who else can shake him up?

The ATP field is weak.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark

Posts : 3378
Join date : 2012-07-20

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by barrystar on Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:14 pm

Kyrgios/Edmund/Medvedev was always a tough little trio for R1 & R2 - both Kyrgios and Edmund can play way above their current rankings.

To be fair to the Tournament, and looking at the Schedule, I'd be happy to be sat on either of the two main Courts today, even more so were I Canadian.

barrystar

Posts : 869
Join date : 2017-11-07

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:36 am

barrystar wrote:Kyrgios/Edmund/Medvedev was always a tough little trio for R1 & R2 - both Kyrgios and Edmund can play way above their current rankings.

To be fair to the Tournament, and looking at the Schedule, I'd be happy to be sat on either of the two main Courts today, even more so were I Canadian.
 Tough is okay, barring Kyrgios none have beaten Nadal, not won sets off him. 


Another one down, Tsitsi falls in R2.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark

Posts : 3378
Join date : 2012-07-20

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by sphairistike on Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:42 pm

Tsitsi again falling to a young guy he should be able to beat, if he is as good as he thinks he is, but he is not, so he lost again, no surprise there.

Kyrgios must have not recovered well physically from the win at the Citi open as he had back issues in at least the last two matches there... Clearly Edmund had no chance against Medvedev, who among the young guys, seems to be the most consistent and I think he also has most wins this season, in front of Fed.

FAA is still a big hope, among the #NextGen, he may have gotten a bit lucky that Rao was not great physically and gave up after winning the second set, but he is playing in Canada and he could go all the way... Here's hoping  Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? 2187623656 Good Luck

sphairistike

Posts : 589
Join date : 2012-08-20

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by sphairistike on Thu Aug 08, 2019 4:44 pm

Khacha vs. FAA seems to be the match of the day today! May the best man win!  borg

sphairistike

Posts : 589
Join date : 2012-08-20

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by barrystar on Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:49 am

The chips have fallen as seeded except for Tsitsipas and Nishikori in their quarter, and Bautista Agut v. Monfis is a more than decent substitute for them I'd say.

Nadal marching on in the Masters, adding most match wins to his existing record of most tournaments won.  Looks like things are going about as well for the Tournament as they could without Federer or Djokovic.

barrystar

Posts : 869
Join date : 2017-11-07

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by sphairistike on Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:19 pm

Nadal vs. the Fog could be interesting, especially that if the latter manages to beat Rafa again, Fed will be #2 in the world before Cinci and could cement his #2 seed at USO by winning Cinci...

sphairistike

Posts : 589
Join date : 2012-08-20

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by barrystar on Fri Aug 09, 2019 3:29 pm

Fognini has a better record vs. Nadal than many - three victories on clay including one this year is not to be sniffed at.  Nadal is very hot favourite though, and matters like losing a ranking pip to Federer are likely to be pretty powerful motivation.  However, Nadal is ahead of Fed in the race by some way, and he's defending less points over the rest of the year, only USO (sf) and Canada (w), so it's unlikely to last for long if it does happen.

barrystar

Posts : 869
Join date : 2017-11-07

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by Tenez on Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:58 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Tenez wrote:Nadal's is again ridiculously easy. ,,,but I am sure he will make a mess of it. he is not good of everything that is not dead slow.

Can you define how a tough draw for Nadal would look like given this playing field. The only one possible was Krygios who wasn't even going to face Nadal coz poor Nick lost in R1. Who else can shake him up?

The ATP field is weak.
Anyone in the bottom draw.. Kasha, Zverev, Medv, Thiem.... Now to make it easier they made sure Agut or Monfils would need to play 2 matches in a day. Nadal's opponent had to be the one with least recovery time
 Without Fed and Djoko the TD makes sure their only star player will last the whole week. It was not an option.

We have to take our fans eye blinker and think like a business man.... This is what tennis is for the TD.

Tenez

Posts : 20362
Join date : 2012-06-18

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by barrystar on Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:42 pm

Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Tenez wrote:Nadal's is again ridiculously easy. ,,,but I am sure he will make a mess of it. he is not good of everything that is not dead slow.

Can you define how a tough draw for Nadal would look like given this playing field. The only one possible was Krygios who wasn't even going to face Nadal coz poor Nick lost in R1. Who else can shake him up?

The ATP field is weak.
Anyone in the bottom draw.. Kasha, Zverev, Medv, Thiem.... Now to make it easier they made sure Agut or Monfils would need to play 2 matches in a day. Nadal's opponent had to be the one with least recovery time
 Without Fed and Djoko the TD makes sure their only star player will last the whole week. It was not an option.

We have to take our fans eye blinker and think like a business man.... This is what tennis is for the TD.

Please will you give us a 10-minute warning before you peruse the Cincinnati draw  Yikes

barrystar

Posts : 869
Join date : 2017-11-07

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by BEL19VE on Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:53 am

Nadal is in the final, great work!

BEL19VE

Posts : 5417
Join date : 2013-05-03

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by Tenez on Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:33 am

Indeed great work... Let's see how good he is.... Finally.

Tenez

Posts : 20362
Join date : 2012-06-18

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by summerblues on Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:12 pm

Medevdev looked good early on on clay before he faded in later tournaments (was he injured or something?).  Given that HC is his favorite surface, maybe he can do some damage today.

summerblues

Posts : 4907
Join date : 2012-05-19

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by summerblues on Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:14 pm

sphairistike wrote:Nadal vs. the Fog could be interesting, especially that if the latter manages to beat Rafa again, Fed will be #2 in the world before Cinci and could cement his #2 seed at USO by winning Cinci...
Oh dear, I somehow forgot that Fed was seeded #2 at Wimbledon only by virtue of Wimbledon's special formula and I was imagining him being seeded #2 for the USO too.  It is much more likely he will be #3 seed there, meaning he may have to go through both Rafa and Nole again Sad

summerblues

Posts : 4907
Join date : 2012-05-19

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by summerblues on Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:16 pm

Loooong and kind of boring exchange to start...

summerblues

Posts : 4907
Join date : 2012-05-19

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by summerblues on Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:24 pm

Quite physical first game. Rafa holds.

summerblues

Posts : 4907
Join date : 2012-05-19

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by summerblues on Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:37 pm

Just like that, Rafa breaks. Poor game from Medvedev, capped by a DF on BP.

summerblues

Posts : 4907
Join date : 2012-05-19

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by summerblues on Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:03 pm

So far this has been much easier for Rafa than I was hoping it would be.

summerblues

Posts : 4907
Join date : 2012-05-19

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by summerblues on Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:21 pm

6:3 5:0, Rafa to serve.  Medvedev is one of the best youngsters on offer, and Rafa did not even have to play all that well.

Sad

summerblues

Posts : 4907
Join date : 2012-05-19

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by summerblues on Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:25 pm

6:3 6:0. Painful.

summerblues

Posts : 4907
Join date : 2012-05-19

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by BEL19VE on Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:27 pm

Bear in mind, before this match Medvedev didn’t drop a set all tournament, and there was only one set where he dropped more than 3 games.
When Fedal retire, Djokovic will probably have years where Medvedev will be his biggest competition on hard courts.

BEL19VE

Posts : 5417
Join date : 2013-05-03

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by BEL19VE on Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:28 pm

As SB noted, it’s not like Nadal even stretched himself.
Medvedev gave Nadal rhythm early on, his shots don’t have pace or depth, and then he got billed like a little kid. Fun to watch for me today, but worrying for the future.

BEL19VE

Posts : 5417
Join date : 2013-05-03

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by BEL19VE on Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:30 pm

Nadal now definitely seeded number 2 for USO, hopefully he does the intelligent thing and drops out of Cincy.
Also the first time Nadal has defended a hard court title.

BEL19VE

Posts : 5417
Join date : 2013-05-03

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by naxroy on Sun Aug 11, 2019 11:14 pm

10th harcourt masters1000 for the claycourter

naxroy

Posts : 979
Join date : 2017-07-04

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by summerblues on Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:08 am

naxroy wrote:10th harcourt masters1000 for the claycourter

Sad

summerblues

Posts : 4907
Join date : 2012-05-19

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by Slippy on Mon Aug 12, 2019 2:29 am

DEC1M8 wrote:Bear in mind, before this match Medvedev didn’t drop a set all tournament, and there was only one set where he dropped more than 3 games.
When Fedal retire, Djokovic will probably have years where Medvedev will be his biggest competition on hard courts.
I think that’s one of the scariest points about this scoreline. Medvedev had beaten the world ranked 33, 36, 4 and 8 by an average score of 6/2 6/3 on his way to the final, and still got obliterated by the weakest of the big 3 on a hard court. The gap between the big 3 and the rest seems to be growing if anything.

Slippy

Posts : 494
Join date : 2016-10-23

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by BEL19VE on Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:20 am

I would have Nadal as narrow second favourite for the US Open, but both Nadal and Federer are considerably behind Djokovic in terms of chances. 

What concerns me more is that with Fedal soon retiring, this chump Medvedev will be the biggest threat to Djokovic for years. He's proof that tennis isn't progressing.

BEL19VE

Posts : 5417
Join date : 2013-05-03

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:22 am

Slippy wrote:
DEC1M8 wrote:Bear in mind, before this match Medvedev didn’t drop a set all tournament, and there was only one set where he dropped more than 3 games.
When Fedal retire, Djokovic will probably have years where Medvedev will be his biggest competition on hard courts.
I think that’s one of the scariest points about this scoreline. Medvedev had beaten the world ranked 33, 36, 4 and 8 by an average score of 6/2 6/3 on his way to the final, and still got obliterated by the weakest of the big 3 on a hard court. The gap between the big 3 and the rest seems to be growing if anything.

The Top-3 and the remaining 7 of the top-10 are in different complete leagues. Beating 8, 4 is still easier. Medvedev hasn't beaten Nadal so wasn't confident he had the nerves to do it in the biggest match of his tennis career. This is where Nadal/Djoko/Fed and even Murray were better at a young age.

This only benefits Djoko more than anyone. He has nobody chasing him down.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark

Posts : 3378
Join date : 2012-07-20

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:26 am

DEC1M8 wrote:I would have Nadal as narrow second favourite for the US Open, but both Nadal and Federer are considerably behind Djokovic in terms of chances. 

What concerns me more is that with Fedal soon retiring, this chump Medvedev will be the biggest threat to Djokovic for years. He's proof that tennis isn't progressing.

Tennis is progressing man Tennis includes Fed/Nadal/Djo too who now have better tennis than maybe 5 years ago. Winning and losing have other factors that play their parts.

It's just that, after Djoko there isn't someone head-n-shoulders above the rest. They are all more or less, on same level.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark

Posts : 3378
Join date : 2012-07-20

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by BEL19VE on Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:31 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:

Tennis is progressing man Tennis includes Fed/Nadal/Djo too who now have better tennis than maybe 5 years ago. Winning and losing have other factors that play their parts.

It's just that, after Djoko there isn't someone head-n-shoulders above the rest. They are all more or less, on same level.
Fair point. I was more trying to emphasise how soon Medvedev being arguably one of the, if not the, 'youngster' with most solid results so far shows that the next gen will move the game massively backwards.
With Medvedev, it is so obvious you can tell from just watching him. His shots are so slow and lack penetration, if he was playing in the 2008-2012 period he would probably be routined by players ranked 5-8. I can honestly imagine peak Ferrer, Berdych, and Tsonga tearing this lightweight to shreds.

BEL19VE

Posts : 5417
Join date : 2013-05-03

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by BEL19VE on Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:35 am

Yesterday Nadal could slice with no fear that Medvedev would take control of the rally. So basically Nadal had no pressure on him whatsoever on the rallies, if he felt uncomfortable he could slice, and as soon as he wanted to he pulled the trigger of his forehand.




BEL19VE

Posts : 5417
Join date : 2013-05-03

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Mon Aug 12, 2019 9:31 am

It's very difficult to say who is going to be the new next#1 and even more difficult to say is when.

As per Djoko its Thiem, but I wouldn't agree. His Clay game is good but out of clay, he is like a fish out of water. He barely has anything to show apart from Clay. Too diffucult to be #1 with those results.

ATP author predicted it to be Dimitrov after the 2017 end and him finishining in top-3. But we saw what happened after that. He is not even in top 30.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark

Posts : 3378
Join date : 2012-07-20

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by Tenez on Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:54 pm

I watched it bit of the final... And again Medv lacked experience of playing Nadal.... And it was his first TMS fimal..... Let's see what happens next time they play.

Tenez

Posts : 20362
Join date : 2012-06-18

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:25 am

Tenez wrote:I watched it bit of the final... And again Medv lacked experience of playing Nadal.... And it was his first TMS fimal..... Let's see what happens next time they play.

I don't know how long will they keep getting this lack of experience excuse. I'm through with it. They have had enough resources available to build a game-plan without having to play Nadal/Djoko/Fed a-100 times. I think what they lack is the game and the mindset to go with.

Nadal didn't have any exp of playing Fed( #1 ). He didn't have exp of But didn't sit on that excuse one bit. And that's why Medvedev will never have success like Nadal.

raiders_of_the_lost_ark

Posts : 3378
Join date : 2012-07-20

Back to top Go down

Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers? Empty Re: Rogers Cup 2019, or is it Coupe Rogers?

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum