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Re: WTF - London 2018 (and maybe a little bit of 'nextgen')

Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:47 pm

Jahu wrote:Fed into SF anyway, gone over 4 won games soon.
Is that right?

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:50 pm

Just heard that if he loses the second set 60 he is not through.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:51 pm

Fed's serve is now completely off and that is not a good sign!

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Post by Jahu on Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:53 pm

jesus, was 2 BP down again, set won, but this style of play is killing my heart rhythm  Laugh

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Post by Jahu on Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:54 pm

Tenez wrote:Just heard that if he loses the second set 60 he is not through.

No that is only if he won first set 7:5 and lose second 6:0, he is into SF now very sure.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:57 pm

Good. 

Any chance of him finishing top of group?

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Post by Jahu on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:01 pm

Yes if he wins in 2 sets.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:01 pm

He is still a joy to watch. He has very bad patches nowadays but when relax, still the best by a mile.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:01 pm

Jahu wrote:Yes if he wins in 2 sets.
cool.

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Post by Jahu on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:02 pm

Yes but playing 2 good games, then 3 bad ones, especially these break and then get broken back, is no good for my health.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:15 pm

Jahu wrote:Yes but playing 2 good games, then 3 bad ones, especially these break and then get broken back, is no good for my health.
Sure but that loss of sudden precision on serve is down to age, aching or muscle cramp. I don;t really know but that's the only way to explain that loss of precision which happens every now and then nowadays. 

This is what G and I saw clearly in that Wimby match v Berdych 2017..and now more and more frequent.

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Post by Jahu on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:20 pm

At least tonight he is on different level, Fleming approving it!!!

Rallying nicely from the back, DTL slice working superbly.

Break for 4:3!!! Slice again!!!

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Post by Jahu on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:21 pm

Compared to Kei match where he was hitting nearly every 1st/2nd serve of Kei for winners, this is super now (Fleming notes)

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Post by Jahu on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:24 pm

Yes yessss, so gonna be Fed-Cilic, Djoko-Kev?

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:24 pm

Nishi played well though. he must have injured himself to have lost so badly to both Kevin and Thiem. 

Noone will make me believe Nishi was 100pc.

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Post by Jahu on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:24 pm

Revenge for Wimbledon comingggggggg

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Post by Jahu on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:26 pm

Tenez wrote:Nishi played well though. he must have injured himself to have lost so badly to both Kevin and Thiem. 

Noone will make me believe Nishi was 100pc.

Fed made him look good that night, tonights Fed level would of beaten Nishi, but sure something happened to him, injury prone and inconsistent been his trademark all his career.

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Post by Jahu on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:30 pm

Yesss alll doneeeee good game

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Post by Jahu on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:31 pm

Get your tits out baby all sweaty  Laugh

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:33 pm

Jahu wrote:Get your tits out baby all sweaty  Laugh
Yes and that to me is proof Fed is taking care of his back. He doesn't want cool sweat running down his back.

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Post by Jahu on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:35 pm

Hahah, Sir you are some tennis freak  Whistle

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:39 pm

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
 Just Compare Zverev to a young Nadal. How Nadal would lose a match in 2004-05. You may win but he would make you earn every bit of it. 

Zverev has a series of tame endings and this shows his mental weakness.
I cannot agree with that. A mature Nadal cannot beat that Djokovic, the younger Nadal would have been even more clueless. When Fed or Nalbandian made him look stupid on faster courts, Nadal was no more fighting or efficient than Zverev. It's about weapons. 

Back then Nadal's game had an unseen power and spin which gave him hope to win on slow courts. On anything fast like the USO back then, he could not beat a seeded player for years.

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Post by Tenez on Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:39 pm

Jahu wrote:Hahah, Sir you are some tennis freak  Whistle
To serve you sir!

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:11 am

Jahu wrote:Break again!!! Good, take the set, match, SF, F winnnnnnnnn 100 !!!!!
 Wouldn't that be great end to very tame year? Reach 100 titles with the record-extending 7th WTF. He had it on the platter last year but became complacent and lost it. 

I hope he can play better this time.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:22 am

Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
 Just Compare Zverev to a young Nadal. How Nadal would lose a match in 2004-05. You may win but he would make you earn every bit of it. 

Zverev has a series of tame endings and this shows his mental weakness.
I cannot agree with that. A mature Nadal cannot beat that Djokovic, the younger Nadal would have been even more clueless. When Fed or Nalbandian made him look stupid on faster courts, Nadal was no more fighting or efficient than Zverev. It's about weapons. 

Back then Nadal's game had an unseen power and spin which gave him hope to win on slow courts. On anything fast like the USO back then, he could not beat a seeded player for years.

Of course. We have had these discussions many times and on a lot of threads. I was talking about the manner of loss. Zverev show no fight if he gets behind in the match ( especially if he had his own opportunities to go ahead ). He has a lot of very poor final set finishes.

Young Nadal may have lost but wasn't folding into his shell like Zverev does.

Tenez wrote:Back then Nadal's game had an unseen power and spin which gave him hope to win on slow courts. 

Unseen??Its been 14 years since he has been winning slams/TMS on clay setting records after records. How long his game has to be 'seen' before it loses its potency? Doesn't that suggest that there is something more to Nadal's game than just an unusual 'unseen' game?

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:48 am

Jahu wrote:Revenge for Wimbledon comingggggggg

Wimbledon QF was a much bigger match. Media potrays it. but all matches don't carry the same weight.

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Post by Jahu on Fri Nov 16, 2018 1:56 pm

True but still Fed was expected to take that easy and it damn hurt him.

Now Vajda saying Djokos win over Nadal at W was a turning point for Djoko cause he beat the fear of loosing.

So Fed should of beaten Kev, then Djoko, then Nadal and take the W and leave Djoko in fear all year wining nothing, so Fed done a huge fuckup this year on Tennis world  Big Grin

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Post by Jahu on Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:07 pm

So it will be Djoko-Kev and Fed-Zverev, tomorrow.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Nov 16, 2018 8:23 pm

Most likely.

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Post by Daniel on Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:08 pm

How many times did that useless donkey Cilic refuse to come to the net in favour of being outlasted by Djok?  He's brainless. 

As for Nishikori.. is there ever a time when a player loses and you just accept they aren't as good as their opponent, Tenez?

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Post by bogbrush on Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:47 am

I expect Federer to beat Zverev today, unfortunately Anderson has no chance so old Fed gets to lose more ground on the h2h with Djokovic tomorrow.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:05 pm

I am not too worried about the H2H between Fed and Djokovic. The fact it made it close last time around is good enough for me. 

Having seen Djoko play yesterday v Cilic, he is certainly playing more aggessively, and closer to the baseline. Once again, we can see the shots keep improving after 30.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:42 pm

both plaing well.....in particular Federer.

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Post by Jahu on Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:57 pm

....which loses the set badly...

Wake up mannnn, where is the Game you played with Kev? crush this fuck

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Post by Jahu on Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:15 pm

Breaks, gets broken, cant hold it, BH poor, FH dies after 4-5 shots, 1st serve 50%, disaster!!!

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Post by Jahu on Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:51 pm

fukin shit of a play, now go beat Djoko tomorrow too

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Post by Tenez on Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:39 pm

Did not watch the set. Looks like it was close.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:22 pm

Anderson broken on the first game. 

Will skip this one.

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Post by Jahu on Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:02 pm

Broken same 1st game of 2nd set, he is serving crap, Djoko reaching every ball, 

Come on Zverev!!!! god sake

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Post by Daniel on Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:46 pm

He's also brainless and doesn't approach the net.  Zverev did against Fed and hopefully will v Djok as well.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:56 pm

Keep it up boy!!! Set 1 on the bag.

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:03 pm

Is Lendl creating another machine?

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Post by Tenez on Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:06 pm

bogbrush wrote:Is Lendl creating another machine?
We knew that from the beginning. Zverev's aim was always to become a better machine than Djoko and Murray. A Roadrunner v.2.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:13 pm

Daniel wrote:He's also brainless and doesn't approach the net.  Zverev did against Fed and hopefully will v Djok as well.
One thing for sure is that Zverev is not going to win by going to the net. He is winning cause he is making Djoko run.

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:13 pm

Lendl will be helping here big time. The raw material here is for a major monster, a Murray upgrade.

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Post by legendkillar on Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:19 pm

bogbrush wrote:Is Lendl creating another machine?

Has a Snoke/Ben Skywalker feel about "I saw raw untamed power!"

Frightening to think that his serve is up 10mph from the last WTF. 

Norman and Lendl have this power lark sussed.

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Post by Daniel on Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:23 pm

So much for Tenez assertion that net approaches don't work.  He butchered Djok on that last point and has been playing smart all night.

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Post by Daniel on Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:24 pm

Tenez wrote:
Daniel wrote:He's also brainless and doesn't approach the net.  Zverev did against Fed and hopefully will v Djok as well.
One thing for sure is that Zverev is not going to win by going to the net. He is winning cause he is making Djoko run.


You mean like that last point?  And all the rest tonight? You were wrong.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:33 pm

Agree, Zverev is fit to be molded by Lendl, enough of daddy coaching.

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:34 pm

Djokovic looks exhausted, he’s now serving promptly as if he’s lost heart.

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