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Re: Mens SF - USO2018

Post by Daniel on Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:14 am

Did you expect Nishikori to have a prayer?  He's just a bad version of Djok.

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Post by naxroy on Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:29 am

Very well done Delpo

Deserved new slam final

Nadal will find it hard to get year end n1

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Re: Mens SF - USO2018

Post by summerblues on Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:45 am

Looks like Nishi may have some injury issues.  He suddenly winced in pain waiting to hit an overhead - it was quite unusual to see.

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Post by Jahu on Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:54 am

He better wake up and do something, this will end in less than 2h like this.

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Post by Daniel on Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:55 am

summerblues wrote:Looks like Nishi may have some injury issues.  He suddenly winced in pain waiting to hit an overhead - it was quite unusual to see.


Indeed...  Nishikori retiring would be a real shock!

Jahu, why do you call him Ninja?  They'd never let this prancer in their circle. Probably even retires trying to use chopsticks.

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Post by Jahu on Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:15 am

Cause if he was good I'd call him Samurai, Ninja is just a hooligan and a thief, Samurai would chop him smiley

Just a disappointing prick, same as Dimi, Dolgo, Kyrgios, crap generation.

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Post by Jahu on Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:21 am

Broke again, embarrassing, even Cilic would be better against Djoko tonight.

This sucks, no point watching, night all smiley

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Post by Daniel on Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:26 am

Yup. He's another useless turd of this generation.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sat Sep 08, 2018 1:41 am

bogbrush wrote:The question there is how Djokovic is but especially how Thiem develops. He’s got the potential to be a proper monster and outmuscle even Nadal.
 This USopen was almost on clay, so Thiem's best chance is always going to be clay and clay like surfaces. If he builds on his 2018's Clay season, I am counting him to win RG19.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:32 am

I don't have much hope on Thiem. He made a meal again of an injured Nadal and lost. He is not smart enough. Next season Zverev and others will overtake him.

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Post by barrystar on Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:52 am

Well done Del Boy, and stay classy Rafa

““I was in too much pain and it was not a tennis match," said Nadal. "It was one player playing and one on the other side of the court.””

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Post by bogbrush on Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:37 am

Did he slip in anywhere that he didn’t want to make any excuses?

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Post by Wow. on Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:45 am

Nadull never deserved to come this far at US open and khachanov showed us that. Theim was very unlucky as he missed easy winners towards the end of the 2nd, 3rd and 5th sets. Apparently Nadals loss to Cilic at Aus open was also due to an injury. The adage holds true " Nadal only loses when he is injured"!

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Post by Wow. on Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:46 am

Tenez wrote:I don't have much hope on Thiem. He made a meal again of an injured Nadal and lost. He is not smart enough. Next season Zverev and others will overtake him.
 I disagree. I think thiem got his tactics slightly wrong and if he adds backhand slice to his game then I can clearly see him winning 2019 FO. He might do well at Aussie ooen as well.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:17 am

BH slice is a liability nowadays. The way he wasn't a le to grab a set v poor Nadal at the French does not give me much hope.

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Post by Jahu on Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:12 am

Easy easy, he is still young and can improve, maybe Bresnik should give up on him now and find a different coach, Norman anyone???

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Post by summerblues on Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:04 pm

Delpo is hitting his BH far better.  It is quite respectable by now, and he can even hit an occasional winner off it.  He only slices it now when on defense or when he wants to mix it up - much like other players do.

Boy, he would have been dangerous if he had not had those injuries.  Back in 2009 he used to hit bombs off both wings.  Fed, Rafa and Nole would have won fewer slams had he been healthy.

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Post by Jahu on Sat Sep 08, 2018 5:25 pm

Same for Soderling, he gave all 3 some serious bombing.

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Post by Emancipator on Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:48 pm

summerblues wrote:Delpo is hitting his BH far better.  It is quite respectable by now, and he can even hit an occasional winner off it.  He only slices it now when on defense or when he wants to mix it up - much like other players do.

Boy, he would have been dangerous if he had not had those injuries.  Back in 2009 he used to hit bombs off both wings.  Fed, Rafa and Nole would have won fewer slams had he been healthy.
He’s hitting it more often than before but I suspect the mph is still somewhat lower than 2009. 

The other problem is that he appears to have lost dexterity/flexibility in the wrist which means he cannot create the topspin required to create angles. In the modern game this is a huge disadvantage. Essentially he’s reduced to hitting a flat, hard (sometimes) BH. With low balls all he can do is basically punt it back. The alterNative is of course the slice. This may work to an extent against Novak - on grass - but on a slow bouncy HC it’s not gonna stay low enough to cause problems. Of course the slice against Rafa is just a disaster. No one runs around a slice and hits a thunderous FH the way Rafa does - as Federer learnt very early on in their rivalry. 

DelPo main hope is to strike early with the FH and serve venomously, anything else and Djokovic wins fairly comfortably.

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Post by Jahu on Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:03 pm

Last night Delpo BH was good too, quite a few winners, seemed solid to rally.

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Post by Daniel on Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:36 pm

It's always humourous to see some of you treat Delpo like he's some nobody with little chance.  If he turns up, he'll dictate the points. Not Djokovic.  But he has to attack the net like he has been - and stay aggressive. 

Delpo in 4.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:48 pm

Boy, he would have been dangerous if he had not had those injuries. Back in 2009 he used to hit bombs off both wings. Fed, Rafa and Nole would have won fewer slams had he been healthy
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I can see an injury free Delpo hurting Nadal's slam record but not much Federer and Djoko. If we can play with "ifs" I'd say Federer would have never lost a slam to Nadal, Djoko and Delpo "if" he had been injury free and "if" he had adopted the larger frame earlier in his career.

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Post by Daniel on Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:33 pm

Wow. wrote:Nadull never deserved to come this far at US open and khachanov showed us that. Theim was very unlucky as he missed easy winners towards the end of the 2nd, 3rd and 5th sets. Apparently Nadals loss to Cilic at Aus open was also due to an injury. The adage holds true " Nadal only loses when he is injured"!

And, once again, Federer has to deal with Kyrgios in an early round.  Nadal would have struggled horribly against him.

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Post by break_in_the_fifth on Sat Sep 08, 2018 10:56 pm

Fed only won 5 more slams since 2009 not including any US opens, not sure which slams Del Potro would have stopped Fed from winning. Maybe an AO or two max?

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Re: Mens SF - USO2018

Post by summerblues on Sun Sep 09, 2018 3:39 am

Emancipator wrote:
summerblues wrote:Delpo is hitting his BH far better.  It is quite respectable by now, and he can even hit an occasional winner off it.  He only slices it now when on defense or when he wants to mix it up - much like other players do.

Boy, he would have been dangerous if he had not had those injuries.  Back in 2009 he used to hit bombs off both wings.  Fed, Rafa and Nole would have won fewer slams had he been healthy.
He’s hitting it more often than before but I suspect the mph is still somewhat lower than 2009. 

The other problem is that he appears to have lost dexterity/flexibility in the wrist which means he cannot create the topspin required to create angles. In the modern game this is a huge disadvantage. [...] DelPo main hope is to strike early with the FH and serve venomously, anything else and Djokovic wins fairly comfortably.
I agree with all that.  I was just commenting that his BH looks much improved vs 6-15 months ago.  It is nowhere near as good as it used to be in 2009.

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Post by Emancipator on Sun Sep 09, 2018 2:50 pm

Daniel wrote:Did you expect Nishikori to have a prayer?  He's just a bad version of Djok.

Djokovic lite. If he had another 3 inches in height to beef up his serve he could have been formidable.

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Post by Daniel on Sun Sep 09, 2018 4:42 pm

Definitely..  but also his bottle is suspect [He's 0 for 5 in major finals and won only one set]. He's also lost the last 7 finals he's been in cross all tournaments.  But the height disadvantage is crucial... as it was for Ferrer.  Not in years gone by, due to the smaller racquets and the need for an all round game, but definitely today.  It sucks.

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Re: Mens SF - USO2018

Post by bogbrush on Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:26 pm

Anyone getting a final thread going? Prediction game?

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Re: Mens SF - USO2018

Post by sphairistike on Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:47 pm

Wow. wrote:
Tenez wrote:I don't have much hope on Thiem. He made a meal again of an injured Nadal and lost. He is not smart enough. Next season Zverev and others will overtake him.
 I disagree. I think thiem got his tactics slightly wrong and if he adds backhand slice to his game then I can clearly see him winning 2019 FO. He might do well at Aussie ooen as well.
Actually, I disagree here and agree with Tenez more. Thiem had the right tactics and was executing well 95% of the points. He seems a bit dumb though and did not have what was needed between the ears and messed up all the important points. Serving for the 3rd set he crumbled and got broken twice in a row to gift a set. At the end of the bo3 match, his stats were way superior to Nadal's, ok he bagelled him, but still, he had hardly a couple more UEs, like Nadal had 23 and Thiem had 26 but Thiem had twice the winners vs. UEs when Rafa was only a bit above. I think Thiem even got lucky he managed to rattle Rafa after the latter played a ball that was going out and missed an easy smash in the net, which in turns made Rafa gift the TB to Thiem as he knew he just blew a big chance to have MP. Anyways, suffice to watch the 5th set TB to have a good idea of the match, for me it sums it up perfectly. Thiem was the one having the mini break first, twice, and even on MP which was still on serve he was ahead the whole point until he just got dumb again and missed an easy overhead, like 5m out...

Thiem is still young enough and in his peak so hopefully he can adjust it a bit between the ears and continue his progression in his game, But to win a slam, he will need some help from Rafa and maybe Djoker too at RG and maybe by USO next year he can win, if Djoker has already declined by then and Zverev hasn't started going deep into slams...

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Re: Mens SF - USO2018

Post by Tenez on Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:41 pm

Good to have you back Sphair!

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