Wimbledon Seeding and Draw

Kyrgios on grass for me is tougher than Raonic, Karlovic, Anderson, Isner etc. Especially as it’s Wimbledon and he’ll actually care.

summerblues wrote:If Federer crashes out of Wimbledon early, it may be the end of this forum. It is only Fed's continuing success that seems to be keeping it alive.

OTF was running even during Fed’s 2016 when we all thought he was finished...

Naaah...this forum has to see the back of Nadal first...the best is yet to come!

its obvious draws are never rigged 

it is obvious that after 17 slams won, nadal may have faced all kind of draws.

and it is obvious this time, nadal got a decent draw, not the easiest it could have been, but one, that if he is in form, he could make it to quarters

naxroy wrote:its obvious draws are never rigged 

it is obvious that after 17 slams won, nadal may have faced all kind of draws.

and it is obvious this time, nadal got a decent draw, not the easiest it could have been, but one, that if he is in form, he could make it to quarters

The only obvious thing is that Nadal is a cheat and a nasty piece.

The rest is propaganda.

I am beginning to think he cheated on you

naxroy wrote:I am beginning to think he cheated on you

And not just on me.

On all tennis fans who have had to watch his boring, sweaty, physical tennis devoid of any beauty and flair and full of gamesmanship.
On all his colleagues/fellow players who he cheated in every match breaking the time between the points rule and thus denied them basic fair play.
On umpires, depriving them of dignity in doing their job applying rules, particularly Bernardes who he even struck off his "preferred umpires" list.

The day he retires will be a new birthday for tennis.

time will heal your heart, and soon you will fall in love again

naxroy wrote:time will heal your heart, and soon you will fall in love again

Like a fan(atic) you don;t seem able to question or find any fault to your hero.

Others can see through...

oh I dislike some things from nadal:


his boring speach in trophy ceremonies
his political ideas
his sexist declarations...

but indeed, I admire his tennis, his quality and his fight

on the other hand, there is no tennis player I hate, like you do... I have better things to do in life, so I just do things I like. I would never spend 15 years of my life watching a tennis player I hate...

call me fanatic and keep the hate

naxroy wrote:oh I dislike some things from nadal:


his boring speach in trophy ceremonies
his political ideas
his sexist declarations...

but indeed, I admire his tennis, his quality and his fight

on the other hand, there is no tennis player I hate, like you do... I have better things to do in life, so I just do things I like. I would never spend 15 years of my life watching a tennis player I hate...

call me fanatic and keep the hate

What about the below

1. His continuous going over the allowed time, and even justifying breaking it. ( ex. AUS open 2012 final)
2. Using his position to influence umpring ( Bernades - twice)
3. His on-the-face over-the-top celebration in a match trying to intimidate the opponent.

1 - it doesnt bother me, it doesnt bother his rivals, doesnt seem to bother umpires.... (so not only fan(atics) are not bothered)

2- indeed, he and rest of players have that right. OTF mediocre moaning

3- he has played 1090 matches, how many rivals have complained about that "over the top" celebrations? maybe again it is just OTF classic moaning?

great player, great tennis, great example

naxroy wrote:1 - it doesnt bother me, it doesnt bother his rivals, doesnt seem to bother umpires.... (so not only fan(atics) are not bothered)

It does not bother you that he does it to help him play his tennis to take an advantage over his opponents. That's exactly what I call a fanatic. Someone ready to accepted his player to break the rule in order for him to "win and be(come) great".

It's funny how you wish to appear fair and all that, like your champ....but when it comes to playing the rule, and supporting a fair player....it all disappears.

Tenez wrote:

naxroy wrote:1 - it doesnt bother me, it doesnt bother his rivals, doesnt seem to bother umpires.... (so not only fan(atics) are not bothered)

It does not bother you that he does it to help him play his tennis to take an advantage over his opponents. That's exactly what I call a fanatic. Someone ready to accepted his player to break the rule in order for him to "win and be(come) great".

It's funny how you wish to appear fair and all that, like your champ....but when it comes to playing the rule, and supporting a fair player....it all disappears.  

so his own rivals are fanatics too? because as I said, they are not bothered either... its just you and your tear collectors in the forum

naxroy wrote:

Tenez wrote:

naxroy wrote:1 - it doesnt bother me, it doesnt bother his rivals, doesnt seem to bother umpires.... (so not only fan(atics) are not bothered)

It does not bother you that he does it to help him play his tennis to take an advantage over his opponents. That's exactly what I call a fanatic. Someone ready to accepted his player to break the rule in order for him to "win and be(come) great".

It's funny how you wish to appear fair and all that, like your champ....but when it comes to playing the rule, and supporting a fair player....it all disappears.  

so his own rivals are fanatics too? because as I said, they are not bothered either... its just you and your tear collectors in the forum

Like you do not want to see Nadal is breaking the rule to gain an advantage over his opponents, you do not want to see that his opponents and referees are annoyed with it.

It;s documented 100s of times. Even Federer mentions it. But of course, unlike OTF they cannot sound upset or tell it quite like it is cause they have sponsors, do not wish to look bad losers and so son....But most players have complained about it. That is even why they wanted the shot clock to be implemented and this is also why Nadal was upset and left the Players committee. But of course you do not want to see that more than you want to see your player cheating.

Tenez wrote:

It;s documented 100s of times. Even Federer mentions it. 

Hundreds of times? wow you are lying there

federer admires nadal, thats what he says every single time. and not only federer, any of his big rivals and 99% of the tour


dont worry tenny, its just a few more years and it is over

https://www.google.co.uk/search?ei=jz06W67TNMuJgQac_KrQDg&q=players+complaining+about+nadal+taking+too+much+time&oq=players+complaining+about+Nadal+taking+too+&gs_l=psy-ab.3.0.35i39k1.3050.6704.0.8757.12.12.0.0.0.0.116.1037.10j2.12.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.12.1032....0.UE2y_pK9ULw

1.75M articles about it. Federer topping the list.

remember to use ""

coric in 4th round will be a killer

misha zverev out

but I think kukushkin can be a tough one for nadal in round 2

he comes from doing great grass tournament in easbourne (defeated edmund among others)

naxroy wrote:coric in 4th round will be a killer

Might be next year

yeah I wrote that after his loss... my humour

ok

so we had 128 players, now we have 32 (waiting for zverev´s match to end)

have our favourites changed after 2 rounds?

Cilic is out, maybe the only one who looked as a posible champion out of the ones that lost

but seeing the draw now, the semis would look something like:

federer - isner/raonic

kyrgios/djokovic - delpo/nadal

It's increased my view of the chances of both (i) a "Big-Four" final; and (ii) a Federer win.

On Fed's side his form has been good and Cilic's exit has materially boosted his chances; Coric's exit is a lesser but added bonus.  I don't take the challenge of Isner/Raonic/Anderson lightly, but a fit Federer has invariably beaten more one-dimensional big-hitters over bo5 on grass.  I think Fed's biggest risk before the final is a dodgy back or bad form.

Nadal lacks true physical confidence on grass, especially if fresh in early rounds; his opponent has to be comfortable hitting flat to keep the bounce low as well as hard and deep, and be capable of winning free points on serve.  He benefits from having no more true grass-court players in his section - Del Potro is v. tough, but not the worst grass match-up.  The winner of Djoko's section will probably have better tools to play Nadal on grass, including Djoko, who is looking good.  However, he is likely to be knackered and facing Nadal on a worn and parched surface.

yeah, this very much looks like a federer - djokovic final

and if kyrgios can keep his mind focused, it well could be a federer - kyrgios final


in any case, the safest bet is federer


but you never know...

On Fed's side the fact that Monfils is having an interesting tournament and now faces Querrey is worthy of a mention - but again a fit Fed should have the measure of either of them in a bo5 at Wimbledon.

in my opinion no player can beat roger in wimbledon in his actual form

not even sure if "2015 djokovic" would be able


of course injuries, bad days can happen, but on paper...


one option would be a series of succesive long fought duels prior to the final against a real contender, but as the draw is evolving in his side, I dont even see that possible.


before wimbledon started I thought we could see a new champion, now I dont see it.... unless kyrgios delpo do something really special

@naxroy - an assessment which could only come from a Nadal fan.  Whilst many of us Fed fans may be feeling something similar to that, you'll never catch any of us tempting fate by saying it.

barrystar wrote:@naxroy - an assessment which could only come from a Nadal fan.  Whilst many of us Fed fans may be feeling something similar to that, [/b]you'll never catch any of us tempting fate by saying it.

Are you sure all Fed fans are like that?
Sounds a bit gutless, tbh.

In the hayday of my Nole fandom I was a complete opposite,  “Bring it ooon!” type ...and will always be with whoever I support.

some notable examples:

https://ourtennisforum.forumotion.co.uk/t189-nole-in-the-wtf-final-don-t-stop-me-now?

noleisthebest wrote:Thanks, t, glad you did the thread, I was going to ask LS to give us men's final early today as last I gatecrashed the party last time and he was not happy. 


Not a lot to say...


My hope lies in three things:


lighter balls. OK, this helps Nadal, too, but more Federer as with the last year's balls he'd have no chance. Now we see his FH is flying through the air again, not slowing down past the net point.


umpring: I am hoping Rod Laver and Oz authorities will give Fed a chance to win this by clamping down on Nadal's time abuse.
I think Nadal's had his share of privilege and that at least this once, the match will be played BY THE RULES


Fed to be relaxed. 
He does appear to be refreshed and young from inside and that was just great to witness all tournament.

How will he start tomorrow? 
Well, I'd like to think he'll put the past behind him and give us the match of his life.




ALBATROSS, FLYYYYYYY!!!!!!! 

barrystar wrote:@naxroy - an assessment which could only come from a Nadal fan.  Whilst many of us Fed fans may be feeling something similar to that, you'll never catch any of us tempting fate by saying it.

there is no such thing as fate

I know there's no such thing as fate; as I think you know, talk of not tempting fate is more of an expression describing not getting ahead of yourself than a statement of a literal belief in fate.

noleisthebest wrote:

barrystar wrote:@naxroy - an assessment which could only come from a Nadal fan.  Whilst many of us Fed fans may be feeling something similar to that, [/b]you'll never catch any of us tempting fate by saying it.

Are you sure all Fed fans are like that?
Sounds a bit gutless, tbh.

In the hayday of my Nole fandom I was a complete opposite,  “Bring it ooon!” type ...and will always be with whoever I support.

some notable examples:

https://ourtennisforum.forumotion.co.uk/t189-nole-in-the-wtf-final-don-t-stop-me-now?

noleisthebest wrote:Thanks, t, glad you did the thread, I was going to ask LS to give us men's final early today as last I gatecrashed the party last time and he was not happy. 


Not a lot to say...


My hope lies in three things:

lighter balls. OK, this helps Nadal, too, but more Federer as with the last year's balls he'd have no chance. Now we see his FH is flying through the air again, not slowing down past the net point.


umpring: I am hoping Rod Laver and Oz authorities will give Fed a chance to win this by clamping down on Nadal's time abuse.
I think Nadal's had his share of privilege and that at least this once, the match will be played BY THE RULES


Fed to be relaxed. 
He does appear to be refreshed and young from inside and that was just great to witness all tournament.

How will he start tomorrow? 
Well, I'd like to think he'll put the past behind him and give us the match of his life.




ALBATROSS, FLYYYYYYY!!!!!!! 

Er - in each case you are doing exactly what I describe.  You are chuffed that your player has gotten into the final and are saying what you hope or would like to think will happen, but in neither case do you make a dry prediction that that Nole (or Federer) will win or is favourite to win.  That is the language of those who don't wish to "tempt fate" (pace naxroy).

naxroy wrote:so we had 128 players, now we have 32 .....

but seeing the draw now, the semis would look something like:

federer - isner/raonic

kyrgios/djokovic - delpo/nadal

except for anderson beating federer, all is going as expected I would say