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Re: Gerry Webber Open Halle & Queens

Post by Tenez on Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:42 am

I am not worried about Cilic. Hardly about Kyrgios as well. Djokovic? yes.

And yes I am not sure Fed can play 7 best of 5 anymore. In fact a condition of this is that he doesn't lose sets on his way to the finals. Last year he was close to lose a couple (Raonic, Berdych). His luck might be that no one seems on form this year either.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:48 am

Fed already on court?

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Post by summerblues on Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:24 am

In spite of all these tight scores, and broken serves, Fed is looking pretty good to me again today.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:37 am

Tuned in to see Fed get ball abuse warning...Yikes

And now a BP down to ....Kudla! Who I didn't even what he looked like till now.

So Fed won the first set in the TB...again...and struggling on his serve.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:38 am

Fed is looking like this is all hard work for him and not having fun.
Ah well...I suppose anything but Wimbledon must be like a boring meetings day in the office for him...

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Re: Gerry Webber Open Halle & Queens

Post by Tenez on Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:39 am

summerblues wrote:In spite of all these tight scores, and broken serves, Fed is looking pretty good to me again today.
Is he? really? I would like to see what is his serve's speed average. I have the feeling it is way below his usual.

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Re: Gerry Webber Open Halle & Queens

Post by Tenez on Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:43 am

Federer manages to make the difference (so far) thanks to his hands. He can do a lot with his eye/hand skills. The rest is dodgy.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:57 am

Fed not happy with his BH...at all!

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Post by summerblues on Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:59 am

Fed is just sloppy.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:11 pm

he is sloppy but looks like he wants to win. I am sure he will give his all tomorrow. That's where the bog points are.

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Post by summerblues on Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:12 pm

I think Fed looks fine, just not too bothered. All these 7:6 7:5 sets will become 6:4, 6:3 and 6:2 sets at Wimbledon.

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Post by summerblues on Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:13 pm

There are no big points to be had in Halle.

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Post by summerblues on Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:14 pm

Apparently, Fed has played 17 tie-breaks in Halle over the years, and won 16 of them. Impressive.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:18 pm

summerblues wrote:There are no big points to be had in Halle.
300pt is big. It woudl have allowed him to finish number 1 a couple more years in the past.

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Post by gallery play on Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:43 pm

Tenez wrote:I am not worried about Cilic. Hardly about Kyrgios as well. Djokovic? yes.

And yes I am not sure Fed can play 7 best of 5 anymore. In fact a condition of this is that he doesn't lose sets on his way to the finals. Last year he was close to lose a couple (Raonic, Berdych). His luck might be that no one seems on form this year either.
He was an inch away of beating Federer in Melbourne..

You say no one is on form,  I think Wimbledon will be much more combative than the clay season we've had.

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Post by Daniel on Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:59 pm

Tenez wrote:I am not worried about Cilic. Hardly about Kyrgios as well. Djokovic? yes.


Djokovic who has done nothing for ages?   Doh  The bigger threat at Wimb is Kyrgios, Cilic, Del Potro, and all the other big hitters.  Not Djokovic.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:20 pm

gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:I am not worried about Cilic. Hardly about Kyrgios as well. Djokovic? yes.

And yes I am not sure Fed can play 7 best of 5 anymore. In fact a condition of this is that he doesn't lose sets on his way to the finals. Last year he was close to lose a couple (Raonic, Berdych). His luck might be that no one seems on form this year either.
He was an inch away of beating Federer in Melbourne..

You say no one is on form,  I think Wimbledon will be much more combative than the clay season we've had.

He was only an inch away cause Fed dropped his level considerably and in spite of that Cilic was again too nervous to deliver when he realised he could win.

Yes Cilic can beat Federer....but only if Fed is playing poorly which is my real worry for now.


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Post by summerblues on Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:54 pm

What happened to Bautista Agut?  I see he retired when 3:2 up in the first set.

Kyrgios and Cilic both looking quite good.

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Re: Gerry Webber Open Halle & Queens

Post by Tenez on Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:58 pm

Dunno but Coric is going to be a real test tomorrow.

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Post by bogbrush on Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:40 pm

Tenez wrote:Dunno but Coric is going to be a real test tomorrow.
I agree. If he wins with by whatever score we can park the fear and pessimism and be happy he’s got a nice week off before tackling the easier road of seven matches in two weeks, with days off.

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Post by Jahu on Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:05 pm

Djoko back at his acting, trying to break his neck.

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Re: Gerry Webber Open Halle & Queens

Post by Jahu on Sat Jun 23, 2018 4:05 pm

Fed will win tomorrow in 2, always extra will to dish some lessons to youngsters.

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Re: Gerry Webber Open Halle & Queens

Post by Emancipator on Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:40 pm

If Djokovic makes it to the last 8 at W than he is easily the biggest threat to Federer.

Much more so than the unproven Kyrgios and Cilic who we know is a bottler. 

Djokovic frightens Federer - he is an equal - the other's.. nah

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Post by Emancipator on Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:43 pm

I haven't watched much of Federer but by all accounts his serve has been much easier to break than in previous years. I'm sure last year he got through Halle and W with his serve broken less half a dozen times.

The 1st% percentage also seem to be lowish (in the mid to late 50's?)

Not sure what the average speed has been.

What about his side to side movement on the baseline - those are usually indicators of a back problem.

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Post by Jahu on Sat Jun 23, 2018 7:47 pm

Djoko ain't gonna see a QF at W. He can serve good occasionally, hit a BH, but the guy is breathless, every second serve is a loud moan, he is not even at his 50%.

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Re: Gerry Webber Open Halle & Queens

Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:39 am

Emancipator wrote:.....
The 1st% percentage also seem to be lowish (in the mid to late 50's?)

Not sure what the average speed has been.

What about his side to side movement on the baseline - those are usually indicators of a back problem.

Tat's what I find strange cause usually you have the gun speed on the court. But I coudl not see it....so I suspect Fed doesn;t want his competitors to know it.

His secind sets servings stats have been terrible.

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Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 24, 2018 8:59 am

It doesn't make sense to me..

Why would he rather play in Halle and have the gun speed to be removed to hide his injury instead of not playing and rest for Wimbledon?

All i know is that he'll get a long way if he brings his Stuttgart form to Wimbledon

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:34 pm

Halle must be slow because it's weird to see Fed not being able to rush Coric even with his best shotsl

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:35 pm

Just weird! Anyway off they go!

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:46 pm

It's the first time I see him play with good streaming today.

But the last 3 times I logged in to watch he lost his serve and today was 0/30 down but managed to come back. He looks better with good streaming ...

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:50 pm

Fed is having to use a whole range of his artistry just to win a point on Coric's serve...in 20 shots!

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Post by Jahu on Sun Jun 24, 2018 12:52 pm

Break coming up.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:01 pm

Coric has really improved this year. I do not remember his serve being this good. All his shots seem to have more power too. He even comes to the net. Does not look too natural there but his volleys are not horrible.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:02 pm

What was that, dhbh drop shot hahaha

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:03 pm

Commentator expecting Fed to apologise for that amazing reflex volley....

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Post by Jahu on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:09 pm

What a waste of a TB for Fed.

Now another 2 quick sets.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:11 pm

Jahu wrote:What a waste of a TB for Fed.

Now another 2 quick sets.
Fed really should have somehow won that point at 6:5.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:13 pm

I know he wants this title to round it to 10, so its not like he is playing leisurely, he is mega tired, though a good preparation for W.

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Re: Gerry Webber Open Halle & Queens

Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:13 pm

I think Fed lost just 5 points on serve the entire set

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:14 pm

Fed won 45 points and Coric 40. Hopefully Fed can keep up his service level and find a way to break.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:15 pm

summerblues wrote:Fed won 45 points and Coric 40.  Hopefully Fed can keep up his service level and find a way to break.
yes 10% more points ...yet ....

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Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:17 pm

Let's see if Fed will change tactics. He was only playing to make it uncomfortable for Coric: a lot of high slices and other junk

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:18 pm

BTW, they do have a speed gun there, just not as visible as usual. It is a little higher up in the right corner on TV, between "schauinsland raisen" and "barehen" billboards.

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Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:24 pm

I guess Federer can only hope for a draw with all the big servers going for broke. Fed looks very awkward in any rally longer than 3 shots.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:24 pm

gallery play wrote:Let's see if Fed will change tactics. He was only playing to make it uncomfortable for Coric: a lot of high slices and other junk

There's not much he can do atm. Coric is reading his serve well.
Fed needs to fire more with his FH.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:25 pm

summerblues wrote:BTW, they do have a speed gun there, just not as visible as usual.  It is a little higher up in the right corner on TV, between "schauinsland raisen" and "barehen" billboards.

Yes I just saw that....but not showing it once so far for Fed's.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:27 pm

I love those BH passes!

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:27 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
gallery play wrote:Let's see if Fed will change tactics. He was only playing to make it uncomfortable for Coric: a lot of high slices and other junk

There's not much he can do atm. Coric is reading his serve well.
Fed needs to fire more with his FH.
Fed needs to play a little more aggressive. Especially on big points, he has been very passive, waiting for Coric to miss.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:28 pm

Again, Fed happy to rally with his FH instead of pulling the trigger, loses BP.

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Re: Gerry Webber Open Halle & Queens

Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:28 pm

summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
gallery play wrote:Let's see if Fed will change tactics. He was only playing to make it uncomfortable for Coric: a lot of high slices and other junk

There's not much he can do atm. Coric is reading his serve well.
Fed needs to fire more with his FH.
Fed needs to play a little more aggressive.  Especially on big points, he has been very passive, waiting for Coric to miss.
A lot more.

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