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Post by legendkillar Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:08 pm

What a dreadful match that Djokovic/Dimitrov match was. Queens not having much in the way of decent matches sadly.

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Post by Tenez Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:26 am

legendkillar wrote:What a dreadful match that Djokovic/Dimitrov match was. Queens not having much in the way of decent matches sadly.
Is it worse than Halle? I doubt it.

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Post by summerblues Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:49 am

Federer has to save match points vs Benoit "No Forehand" Paire?  On grass?  What has the world come to?  Not very reassuring.

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Post by summerblues Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:50 am

luvsports! wrote:First set dropped on grass since his loss at Stuttgart last year, i believe.
Did you have a good week last week?

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Post by luvsports! Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:48 am

summerblues wrote:
luvsports! wrote:First set dropped on grass since his loss at Stuttgart last year, i believe.
Did you have a good week last week?

I was at work, so not really.
I think you are getting confused with me going to Wimbledon! 
Ta for asking though  Hug

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:56 am

Tenez wrote:
legendkillar wrote:What a dreadful match that Djokovic/Dimitrov match was. Queens not having much in the way of decent matches sadly.
Is it worse than Halle? I doubt it.

They could well be on par!

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark Fri Jun 22, 2018 9:33 am

summerblues wrote:Federer has to save match points vs Benoit "No Forehand" Paire?  On grass?  What has the world come to?  Not very reassuring.
Fed was again in his 'lost focus' state after how comfortably he won the 1st set and the how aweful Paire was throwing away his racquet at every single point. Fed had BPs in the opening game of 2nd set, and lost those. And after that gets broken himself.

Somehow held the some focus in the 3rd and helped by Paire's own mistakes. 

Fed has lost many such matches. Latest one I remember was WTF Semis against Goffin.

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Post by noleisthebest Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:14 pm

Wow!
A dinosaur on Halle CC!

M. Ebden, a classic S&V, catch the glimpse while you can!

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Post by noleisthebest Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:15 pm

Some exquisite passes from Fed, but Ebden holding his own.
Cool match.
Classic grass tennis, if anything Fed looks out of place being on the baseline, but maaan when he gets to the net those volleys sizzle!!!!

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:26 pm

Ebden has played very well. Average service games under 2 minutes!

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Post by barrystar Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:31 pm

Goodness how bo3 grass-court games can be crap-shoots.

Perhaps it's a measure of Fed's brilliance that he has thus far found a way to win such a high proportion of these crap-shoots.

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:35 pm

Enjoyed that set of tennis. I love games in where it's pretty evenly balanced and a moment of brilliance in a tiebreak determines the set. Nothing tells the truth like those moments. That BH on the first TB point was that moment.

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Post by noleisthebest Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:38 pm

legendkillar wrote:Enjoyed that set of tennis. I love games in where it's pretty evenly balanced and a moment of brilliance in a tiebreak determines the set. Nothing tells the truth like those moments. That BH on the first TB point was that moment.
Well, Ebden had no chance in the TB, all his averageness was exposed, 2nd serve, groundstrokes....TB tells it all!


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Post by legendkillar Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:40 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
legendkillar wrote:Enjoyed that set of tennis. I love games in where it's pretty evenly balanced and a moment of brilliance in a tiebreak determines the set. Nothing tells the truth like those moments. That BH on the first TB point was that moment.
Well, Ebden had no chance in the TB, all his averageness was exposed, 2nd serve, groundstrokes....TB tells it all!


He did if he kept his first serves up. No surprise the points won against serve were on his second serve. 

I don't think Ebden can play that well for another set let alone 2.

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Post by noleisthebest Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:41 pm

Fed's flights to the net have been outstanding, good that he played Ebden who kept him on his feet with his S&V-ing.
Not often that you see Fed wrong-footed.

But he's already adjusted and fine-tuned the footwork.

In that respect, this is a very good match for his grass prep.

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:43 pm

Pardon the pun, enjoying this ebb and flow.

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:44 pm

I like the fact Ebden is going so deep on his net approaches basically saying to Federer pass me if you can.

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Post by noleisthebest Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:45 pm

Hehe, funny how even a S&V-er finds a way of exploiting the SBH corner.

Ebden volleying almost exclusively right into the BH corner and drawing errors easily.
Though he keeps Fed on his feet by going for the FH occasionally because Fed passes him from there really well.

Anyway...much tougher on the nerves for both players.



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Post by noleisthebest Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:48 pm

No 1st serve for Fed and he gets broken. Sad

I expect him to roar back an annihilate the Dinasour of Oz.

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:49 pm

Cat and Mouse ending with some luck. Ebden so wanted to avoid a CCFH! Lucky git.

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Post by Tenez Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:51 pm

Just saw that broken game. Not impressed by Fed's serving.

It;s far from his usual standard.

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:52 pm

Ebden going to the well far too often. Was always going to drown at some stage.

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Post by Jahu Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:55 pm

Fed broken again, much less will to play then Stutt. He doesnt wanna be here.

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:55 pm

Ebden's level dropping. Sluggish in that return game.

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Post by noleisthebest Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:00 pm

I think Fed is just showing his tennis age...there is a lot of mileage in that brave heart.

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Post by Tenez Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:04 pm

I think Fed wants to win....but frankly I am not sure he is fully fit...or simply 37 is just too much.

This Fed ain't going to win Wimbeldon.

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Post by luvsports! Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:05 pm

Broken again!

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:05 pm

Sloppy overheads from Federer. Over to Ebden to consolidate.

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Post by Jahu Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:10 pm

W QF this level seems good, unless the W grass makes him a instant beast with loads of painkillers.

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:15 pm

Back on serve. Federer ramped up the aggression.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:17 pm

Fed breaks back , hold for 6-5*. Ebden has been good on his part.

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:21 pm

Not much more Ebden could've done. Played as well as he could expect and more.

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Post by noleisthebest Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:22 pm

Job done in straights. Applause

Nothing comes easy these days.... Gerry Webber Open Halle & Queens - Page 3 3919515806

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:23 pm

Oh I love this grass court tennis. Its so much fun watching both players playing all out strike-first tennis. 
Anyone remember  wimbledon 2103 when Sergiy Stakhovsky beat Fed.?

What a game that was.

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Post by Jahu Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:26 pm

Wtf is this, is every match gonna be like this, a heart attack?  Laugh Laugh

Good win, save the points!!!

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Post by barrystar Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:33 pm

Even a misfiring Fed really should sweep Kudla aside; I expect Coric to be waiting in the final for whoever wins on Fed's side.  Coric gave Fed one hell of a tough match at IW.

Will Fed end up regretting playing 4 matches winning at Stuttgart?  Even if Fed loses tomorrow he'll have played 8 matches in the grass run-up to Wimbledon, more than he's ever done before.  

I hope he's fresh when he gets to Wimbledon.

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Post by noleisthebest Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:37 pm

barrystar wrote:Even a misfiring Fed really should sweep Kudla aside; I expect Coric to be waiting in the final for whoever wins on Fed's side.  Coric gave Fed one hell of a tough match at IW.

Will Fed end up regretting playing 4 matches winning at Stuttgart?  Even if Fed loses tomorrow he'll have played 8 matches in the grass run-up to Wimbledon, more than he's ever done before.  

I hope he's fresh when he gets to Wimbledon.
8 or 4 I don't reckon it makes that big a difference at this stage.
He'll get tired in Wimbledon in week one anyway even if he wins everything in straight sets.

Hopefully he gets a decent draw and a bit of luck. He is the best on grass, so in theory Wimbledon is his.

Not sure why his first serve was wobbly...but he served well when he really needed it.

I just think it's mentally taxing for now...him the way he plays with everyone able to send another ball back even on grass these days.

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Post by bogbrush Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:44 pm

God almighty, the negativity / fear on here is ridiculous.

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Post by legendkillar Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:49 pm

bogbrush wrote:God almighty, the negativity / fear on here is ridiculous.

I find it amazing he makes it through one match let alone a tournament

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Post by Jahu Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:01 pm

We are all weak for Fed  Laugh

But in honesty, as LK says, every match win is welcome.

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Post by bogbrush Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:05 pm

legendkillar wrote:
bogbrush wrote:God almighty, the negativity / fear on here is ridiculous.

I find it amazing he makes it through one match let alone a tournament
I find it amazing he manages to make it to the ground he's so tired.

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Post by barrystar Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:07 pm

bogbrush wrote:
legendkillar wrote:
bogbrush wrote:God almighty, the negativity / fear on here is ridiculous.

I find it amazing he makes it through one match let alone a tournament
I find it amazing he manages to make it to the ground he's so tired.

Cheer up BB - remember, it's now 11/100 (or is it 100/11?).

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Post by Tenez Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:26 pm

You have to look beyond the win! he is playing really poor players and yet gets broken so many times.

This is simply not a Federer who can win Wimbeldon. He will have to tighten his game.....and I am sure he knows it.

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Post by bogbrush Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:48 pm

Of course,  I doubt he’s really got his toe down. After all Wimbledon isn’t won at Halle, this time last year he was battling past Khachanov.

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Post by bogbrush Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:50 pm

barrystar wrote:
bogbrush wrote:
legendkillar wrote:
bogbrush wrote:God almighty, the negativity / fear on here is ridiculous.

I find it amazing he makes it through one match let alone a tournament
I find it amazing he manages to make it to the ground he's so tired.

Cheer up BB - remember, it's now 11/100 (or is it 100/11?).
Yeah, win tomorrow and it’s down to double figures!

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Post by summerblues Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:46 am

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luvsports! wrote:First set dropped on grass since his loss at Stuttgart last year, i believe.
Did you have a good week last week?

I was at work, so not really.
I think you are getting confused with me going to Wimbledon! 
Ta for asking though  Hug
Er…. you are welcome.... I guess.  But all I was trying to say was that Fed dropped a couple of sets last week.  I must have been too cryptic though.

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Post by summerblues Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:49 am

Don't know what to make of Fed.  He has been dropping sets and struggling against opponents he should be dismissing easily.

However, in the only match I actually saw - vs Kyrgios last week - I thought he looked very good.  He looked like he was not trying much at all, and yet he beat a well playing Nick.  I also saw final set TB vs Paire.  There likewise - in spite of its closeness - I thought Fed looked quite good.

So I am cautiously optimistic for Wimbledon.

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Post by luvsports! Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:31 am

summerblues wrote:
luvsports! wrote:
summerblues wrote:
luvsports! wrote:First set dropped on grass since his loss at Stuttgart last year, i believe.
Did you have a good week last week?

I was at work, so not really.
I think you are getting confused with me going to Wimbledon! 
Ta for asking though  Hug
Er…. you are welcome.... I guess.  But all I was trying to say was that Fed dropped a couple of sets last week.  I must have been too cryptic though.

Too cryptic for me, I'm afraid.
But I did very much enjoy his win last week.

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Post by gallery play Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:35 am

Federer has yet to lose a match on grass and everyone is worried...Only on OTF  Laugh

I haven't seen any action from Halle though but Federer always played far from his sparkling best there. Even in his most dominant years he barely scraped through against Ollie Rochus (4 mps's!)
I'm not worried about his form, it's just questionable if he still can play 7 Bo5 matches at 37.

Nevertheless, he's top favorite to win Wimbledon.

This afternoon in Queens will tell us more about the other favorites. The result of Cilic-Kyrgios imo will be decisive who'll be the second fav. And if Nole wins Queens, he's probably the worst opponant Fed could get in the latter rounds.

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Post by noleisthebest Sat Jun 23, 2018 10:42 am

gallery play wrote:
This afternoon in Queens will tell us more about the other favorites. The result of Cilic-Kyrgios imo will be decisive who'll be the second fav. And if Nole wins Queens, he's probably the worst opponant Fed could get in the latter rounds.

I suppose the wannabe GOAT is going to be of the picture on the biggest tennis stage...again!

Cilic-Kyrgios should be good, don’t know their H2H, very close call as neither are that great at returning.
Cilic is steadier and confident these days, Kyrgios has a better serve.

I really don’t know who would be the lesser of two evils vs Fed on CC. If Fed serves well neiher probably.

For Nole it would def be Kyrgios, I don’t think he’s ever beaten him.
Nole is back to “rallying” on grass and is still about 20% behind his 2015 form.

So, I’d say Cilic is the second favoirite...the rest will depend heavily on draw.


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