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Post by Jahu on Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:45 pm

Thiem in 4.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Jun 09, 2018 9:56 pm

Nadal in 3!

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Post by naxroy on Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:31 pm

Nadal in 5

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 10, 2018 5:06 am

This feels like having a root canal done over seven dentist visits.  But we got this far, so let's not give up our hope just yet.  Maybe Thiem will find some magic.  Good luck to him.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 10, 2018 7:54 am

Nadal in 1.5.

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:26 am

What’s the weather? Unless it’s drizzly it’ll be obviously Nadal by the middle of the 1st set as the tactic plays out.

If it’s drizzly then Thiem has a chance if he keeps his head.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:03 am

Thiem's  only chance is if he  manages to wear Nadal off. When you think about it, he is the only one who had the fitness to challenge him. He has the loopy game to make him run while running himself.

I expect a close match if Thiem keeps his head together but I still expect him to lose.

If it goes to 5, Thiem should win...bar rain interruption!

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:35 am

Oh I think 5 sets it’s Thiems to lose but getting there is the trick.

Nadal is very nervous abd having lost to Thiem a few weeks ago that’ll be on his mind. 

I know I’m a cracked record but it’s crucial that the ball doesn’t rear up dramatically. Sadly I see hot and dry is the forecast.

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Post by Slippy on Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:52 am

This looks to be the perfect final. I don’t think there is much debate that these two guys are the world’s top two claycourters and it’s the great champion against a younger guy in his first final. 

Neither player has been particularly tested on their run to the final. I think Thiem has probably looked slightly the more convincing but he’s also probably had the easier opposition. 

I’m going for the upset today. Just have a feeling it will final be a changing of the guard. Thiem to win in 4.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:59 am

Thiem in 4

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Jun 10, 2018 10:14 am

Nadal (30) vs thiem (100)

Nadal in 3

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Post by naxroy on Sun Jun 10, 2018 11:12 am

Tenez wrote:Thiem's  only chance is if he  manages to wear Nadal off. When you think about it, he is the only one who had the fitness to challenge him. He has the loopy game to make him run while running himself.

I expect a close match if Thiem keeps his head together but I still expect him to lose.

If it goes to 5, Thiem should win...bar rain interruption!


if it goes to 5 sets, it is more than probable that it will be a match in several parts (rain interruptions)



game starts at 15:00 but in truth it will be 15:20 more or less

rain is expected around 18:00 so they have those 2 hours and a half before a probable interruption.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:10 pm

I decided I’m going to watch after all....because this will be the last RG Nadal is going to win, see...there isa silver lining in every cloud! Big Grin

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Post by Jahu on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:27 pm

Break back, crush himmmmmmm

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:30 pm

I cannot get any live stream and the nearest sports bar does not open for another 90 minutes.  Maybe a blessing in disguise!

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:32 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I decided I’m going to watch after all....because this will be the last RG Nadal is going to win, see...there isa silver lining in every cloud! Big Grin
This is going to feel like a wasted afternoon when five years from now he wins his 16th FO.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:32 pm

Pathetique from Thiem! He won;t beat Nadal by outsmarting him or hitting through him. he has to engage in long rallies! It's essential!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:33 pm

Thiem's got the mad glint in his Austrian eye today, hehe

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Post by Jahu on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:34 pm

summerblues wrote:I cannot get any live stream and the nearest sports bar does not open for another 90 minutes.  Maybe a blessing in disguise!

http://totalsportek.live/watch/eurosport-1-hd-live-stream-watch-eurosport-1-online/

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:35 pm

ooooooh, I hope GP is watching and seeing this staredown from Nadal in slo-mo....: "how dare you, who ARE you"

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:37 pm

wow that was one very stupid volley straight back at Nadal.


There goes the point that turned the match.
A bit earlier than I expected, but that was it.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:37 pm

Don't be scared Thiem go for it HARDDDD

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:38 pm

Did you see how Nadal went to the drop shot as soon as the rallies lengthened?

Thiem will only beat Nadal by tiring him!

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:38 pm

noleisthebest wrote:There goes the point that turned the match.
Now you jinxing too? What has the world come to? Yikes

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:39 pm

Way too many UEs from Thiem. He thinks he has to go risky...when he actually doesn;t!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:40 pm

summerblues wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:There goes the point that turned the match.
Now you jinxing too?  What has the world come to? Yikes

no, I really thought so.
He squandered that point and it could have earnt him a break.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:40 pm

Jahu wrote:
summerblues wrote:I cannot get any live stream and the nearest sports bar does not open for another 90 minutes.  Maybe a blessing in disguise!

http://totalsportek.live/watch/eurosport-1-hd-live-stream-watch-eurosport-1-online/
Thx Jahu, but I can never get these European sites to work. No worries, it is fine. If the match is still in progress 90 minutes from now, I will see it from there. If not, then it is probably better that way anyway.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:41 pm

Tenez wrote:Way too many UEs from Thiem. He thinks he has to go risky...when he actually doesn;t!

He is scared of rallying, can't you tell?
He plays with one arm only.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:44 pm

Can you believe the scum umpire?

If this was a football match the crowd would've mobbed him.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:46 pm

Thiem needs to be aggressive.  If he allows rally to go neutral, Rafa will take over.  It is a fine line Thiem needs to walk.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:49 pm

summerblues wrote:Thiem needs to be aggressive.  If he allows rally to go neutral, Rafa will take over.  It is a fine line Thiem needs to walk.
He is as aggressive as he can be. Problem is this is Nadal's mudpit and he can always find a way to pin Thiem far inthe BH corner.
And there is the slimeball umpire to help with fake calls just in case.

Thiem can't win this even if Nadal left the court and was not across the net kind of thing....

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Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:50 pm

Tenez wrote:Did you see how Nadal went to the drop shot as soon as the rallies lengthened?

Thiem will only beat Nadal by tiring him!

Usually i'm not very optimistic concerning Nadal's fitness and the chance of beating it but i reckon next year Thiem can do it. 
Have you read something about the trainings regime of Thiem's coach Gunther Bresnik? The guy who coached Gulbis in the top 10.
Bresnik's training methods are beasty, exactly what's needed. 
I'm already looking forward to the panic in Nadal's eyes once he realizes he's not going to outlast Thiem.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:53 pm

Brilliant hold from Thiem, how long was this game?

Nadal's got his work cut out today...I mean sweat.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:53 pm

If Nadal was human, he would of just send out those 2 serves of Thiem and let him take that game that umpire stole it.


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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:53 pm

If only Thiem could serve a first serve! he must have a very low first serve %.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:55 pm

How much time does Nadal take after a let?!?!?!? This is absurd!!!!

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Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:55 pm

summerblues wrote:Thiem needs to be aggressive.  If he allows rally to go neutral, Rafa will take over.  It is a fine line Thiem needs to walk.

There are different kinds of being neutral. What the Sod did so well in 2009 was hitting neutral shots (flat balls straight in the middle) which couldn't be countered by  Nadal.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:56 pm

Nadal is thinking hard...every time camera pans to his face.

He did not expect to work this hard.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:58 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
summerblues wrote:Thiem needs to be aggressive.  If he allows rally to go neutral, Rafa will take over.  It is a fine line Thiem needs to walk.
He is as aggressive as he can be. Problem is this is Nadal's mudpit and he can always find a way to pin Thiem far inthe BH corner.
And there is the slimeball umpire to help with fake calls just in case.
Exactly.

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Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:58 pm

Thiem needs to play better return games. I guess he needs 2 breaks of serve to win a set. Nothing less.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 10, 2018 2:59 pm

Turns out NBC gives me 30 minutes free preview without having subscription.  So I am bridging the gap until the pub opens.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:00 pm

Nadal struggles to time Thiems ball....it has that critical spin and pace.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:01 pm

Interesting that Nadal is not even trying to run for some of Thiem's shots...which he would've done in the past.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:02 pm

gallery play wrote:Thiem needs to play better return games. I guess he needs 2 breaks of serve to win a set. Nothing less.
One would do right now!


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Post by Jahu on Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:03 pm

Only 46% vs 64% Theims 1st serve.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:04 pm

Nadal is putting all the juice he has into his shots...he knows he must not lose this set.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:06 pm

Well, that indeed was a very poor return game from Thiem...almost resigned.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:06 pm

Wilander saying that Nadal is taking long between serve.....but that teh referee should stay out as it woudl make nadal angry and could spur him on.

I disagree with the second part.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:08 pm

NBC commentators were also just talking about Nadal's time between points - they were talking very positively about the shot clock.  They said that Rafa always takes long but when the match gets tight, he takes even longer.

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Post by gallery play on Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:09 pm

The problem with Thiem is: he's too much of a claycourter. He lacks flat shots, netplay and variety.

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