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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Thu May 17, 2018 5:09 pm

naxroy wrote:good player zverev
You mean solid. I agree. Not very creative nor flashy, not even hand skilled but hey that's what we need to beat Rafa.

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Post by Tenez on Thu May 17, 2018 5:11 pm

There is a bit of Jim Courir in Edmund. Same ginger kind of guy but also the short muscled swing FH...and the cap!

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu May 17, 2018 5:14 pm

...and the charisma!

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Post by naxroy on Thu May 17, 2018 5:29 pm

good final courier bruguera

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Thu May 17, 2018 5:31 pm

Tenez wrote:Zverev will have a good chance. trust me....he has to get there first but he has the game to beat Nadal on clay.

Trust.? Do you really trust in Zverev to beat Nadal? Its more of a hope than trust.

From what I saw, Zverev is going down bad if the meet.

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Post by Tenez on Thu May 17, 2018 5:39 pm

I have never seen a court where the ball dies off so much after the bounce. There is so much clay, the ball doesn't bounce much.

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Post by Tenez on Thu May 17, 2018 5:43 pm

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Tenez wrote:Zverev will have a good chance. trust me....he has to get there first but he has the game to beat Nadal on clay.

Trust.? Do you really trust in Zverev to beat Nadal? Its more of a hope than trust.

From what I saw, Zverev is going down bad if the meet.

He has the serve, very steady shots from both wings. he will enjoy whacking that BH DTL or CC.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by noleisthebest on Thu May 17, 2018 5:44 pm

Order of play out for tomorrow.

Fognini-Nadal first out at 12.00 local time


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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Thu May 17, 2018 6:16 pm

What a gutless player Zverev is....like nadal...begging for an UE. ...much worse than Nadal in that respect.

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Post by Tenez on Thu May 17, 2018 6:20 pm

Shapo and Zverev are going to be the 2 opposite players of the future....it seems.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by noleisthebest on Thu May 17, 2018 6:22 pm

What a TB!

Shame Edmund missed that sitter FH.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu May 17, 2018 6:23 pm

And what a pathetic last point to sum up all Zverev's "prowess"...

Good luck, Nole, I'm off to my tennis now. Big Grin


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Post by Tenez on Thu May 17, 2018 6:23 pm

Shame indeed.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Thu May 17, 2018 6:26 pm

Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Tenez wrote:Zverev will have a good chance. trust me....he has to get there first but he has the game to beat Nadal on clay.

Trust.? Do you really trust in Zverev to beat Nadal? Its more of a hope than trust.

From what I saw, Zverev is going down bad if the meet.

He has the serve, very steady shots from both wings. he will enjoy whacking that BH DTL or CC.

Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by AceofDeath on Thu May 17, 2018 8:16 pm

I think Fognini can turn it on against Nadal. Much more faith in him than I have in Zverev/Djoker.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by summerblues on Fri May 18, 2018 3:01 am

7th tournament of the year for Novak, and this is his 1st QF.  Progress.  And he beat Nishi last week, so presumably can beat him again and make his first SF of the year.

Will be interesting to see if he is slowly improving, or whether this week is just a little luckier for him.  Last year he made final in Rome, QF in Paris and then won Eastbourne.  It almost looked like he was getting back into form, but then it did not happen.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Fri May 18, 2018 7:24 am

AceofDeath wrote:I think Fognini can turn it on against Nadal. Much more faith in him than I have in Zverev/Djoker.

Yes and with the whole crowd behind him, he can do it.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Fri May 18, 2018 7:29 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
AceofDeath wrote:I think Fognini can turn it on against Nadal. Much more faith in him than I have in Zverev/Djoker.

Yes and with the whole crowd behind him, he can do it.
I really don't see it.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Fri May 18, 2018 7:57 am

Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
AceofDeath wrote:I think Fognini can turn it on against Nadal. Much more faith in him than I have in Zverev/Djoker.

Yes and with the whole crowd behind him, he can do it.
I really don't see it.

If someone has beaten Nadal before irrespective of surface, he has a better chance than someone who hasn't especially if this is not their first meeting.

Fognini has beaten Nadal on clay and HC, being 0-2 sets down in a slam. He can be on-off, but when on, he is extremely fiery. Nadal is playing okay, nothing too great. Its bo3.

I see Fogna has a good chance.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Fri May 18, 2018 8:45 am

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
Tenez wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
AceofDeath wrote:I think Fognini can turn it on against Nadal. Much more faith in him than I have in Zverev/Djoker.

Yes and with the whole crowd behind him, he can do it.
I really don't see it.

If someone has beaten Nadal before irrespective of surface, he has a better chance than someone who hasn't especially if this is not their first meeting.

Fognini has beaten Nadal on clay and HC, being 0-2 sets down in a slam. He can be on-off, but when on, he is extremely fiery. Nadal is playing okay, nothing too great. Its bo3.

I see Fogna has a good chance.
Yes but one has always have to consider Nadal's form and playing conds. here in Rome...it seems slow enough for him to inject his full power into the ball. Was Nadal in 2015 (the only year Fognini beat Nadal) in his best form and FO champion?

It's important to put wins in context. I know there are players who can beat the best Nadal..but Fog doesn't have it...cause he is simply too inconsistent. His shots are too risky.

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Post by bogbrush on Fri May 18, 2018 8:57 am

summerblues wrote:7th tournament of the year for Novak, and this is his 1st QF.  Progress.  And he beat Nishi last week, so presumably can beat him again and make his first SF of the year.

Will be interesting to see if he is slowly improving, or whether this week is just a little luckier for him.  Last year he made final in Rome, QF in Paris and then won Eastbourne.  It almost looked like he was getting back into form, but then it did not happen.
It'd be interesting watching him against Nadal to see whether it forces him to raise his game.

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 18, 2018 9:03 am

I think both a fit Nishi or Djoko can take Nadal out....I am just hoping for a swift win of either of them so they don;t kill each other physically first.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by naxroy on Fri May 18, 2018 9:18 am

Tenez wrote:
naxroy wrote:good player zverev
You mean solid. I agree. Not very creative nor flashy, not even hand skilled but hey that's what we need to beat Rafa.

No, I mean good

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Fri May 18, 2018 9:24 am

naxroy wrote:
Tenez wrote:
naxroy wrote:good player zverev
You mean solid. I agree. Not very creative nor flashy, not even hand skilled but hey that's what we need to beat Rafa.

No, I mean good
I know. I was just defining your "good". For me that is not good, though I believe we can both agree on my definition of your "good".

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Post by naxroy on Fri May 18, 2018 9:37 am

your definition of "my good" is yours, I dont have to agree or disagree.

I dont need to define good to think that a certain player is good, specially if he is 21 years old, number 3 in the world, and has won 3 masters 1000 on clay and hardcourt.

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 18, 2018 9:57 am

naxroy wrote:your definition of "my good" is yours, I dont have to agree or disagree.

I dont need to define good to think that a certain player is good, specially if he is 21 years old, number 3 in the world, and has won 3 masters 1000 on clay and hardcourt.

This is a tennis forum.....which we bother posting to discuss the details of what make a player good. I don;t see the point in coming here and tell us a poster is "good" cause he has "good" results. We see that.

So the question is do you think Zverev is distinguishing himself by his creativity and hand skills? You don;t have to answer of course....I am just letting you know what I think of Zverev and if you think otherwise I would simply question your judgement.

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Post by naxroy on Fri May 18, 2018 10:16 am

of course you can explain and ellaborate your thoughts

I am not so sure about you explaining my thoughts.

I dont think he is particularly solid for example. he will be with time, but if he was solid or had shown to be solid he would have done better in slams

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 18, 2018 10:26 am

naxroy wrote:of course you can explain and ellaborate your thoughts

I am not so sure about you explaining my thoughts.

I dont think he is particularly solid for example. he will be with time, but if he was solid or had shown to be solid he would have done better in slams
He is solid in B03....and that costs him too much in B05.....so far.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Turron on Fri May 18, 2018 10:35 am

If you want to make a quick profit then going long on Centrale tickets when Fabio is playing Nadal wouldn't be bad. If you want to watch tennis then today is a great day - very sunny and warm. Just found the right staircase but no entry until 11:45.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 10:45 am

Turron wrote:If you want to make a quick profit then going long on Centrale tickets when Fabio is playing Nadal wouldn't be bad.  If you want to watch tennis then today is a great day - very sunny and warm.  Just found the right staircase but no entry until 11:45.
Cool!
Have a Fabioulus day! diva

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 11:52 am

Tenez wrote:I have never seen a court where the ball dies off so much after the bounce. There is so much clay, the ball doesn't bounce much.
And that will be the hope for Fognini. Even though it’s a big ask since the rest of the conditions allow Nadal to turn in his beast mode.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 11:55 am

Oh!
I didn't realise they already started.

FPRZA FABIOIOOOOOO!!!!!! tennisball

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 11:58 am

I am already liking the umpire. I was hoping it would be him. No problem calling the ball out when linesmen keep quiet.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 11:58 am

Fabio needs this break, come crowd WAKE UUUUP!

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 11:59 am

And he does it with an awesome FH return!


COME OOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!!

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 12:03 pm

Fabio keeping his emotions under control beautifully, his tennis reflecting that... the crowd probably sensing it and following suit.

Nice.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 12:06 pm

But Fabio being Fabio cannot be a robot for more than one game.

The opera star in him has to go for crazy dropshots which he is able to pull off only in O Sole Mio mode....and that mode is being kept under check for now.

4:5, Nadal serving to stay in the match.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 12:10 pm

Nadal will have to get out of his comfort zone and go for the lines if he wants to beat this Fabio.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 12:11 pm

And he does and misses!
Set point Fognini!

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 12:12 pm

COME OOOOOOOOOOON!!!!! diva

First set Fabulous Fabio!!!


Fantastic point from Fabio, pinning Nadal on his BH despite all Nadal's efforts to get out on his FH.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 12:14 pm

Poor Fabio has covered his head with a towel. He is doing soooooo well with his emotions.
I would love him to win the whole thing!!! love love love

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 18, 2018 12:15 pm

Wow...Nadal is tiring again........His shots are quickly losing intensity and precision.

he is done.

Well done Fog....I did not think he could do it but clearly Nadal is bluffing his energy nowadays. If you keep rallying....he will tire first.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 12:15 pm

Oh I am so stupid, I thought Fognini won the set, he is actually serving for it now. Yikes

Talk about wanting something badly... Laugh

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 12:17 pm

And he does it, well, well done my old Fabio!!!!! Applause

No wonder he covered himself with the towel in the changeover, trying to calm the nerves down before serving for the set.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 12:23 pm

Tenez wrote:Wow...Nadal is tiring again........His shots are quickly losing intensity and precision.

he is done.

Well done Fog....I did not think he could do it but clearly Nadal is bluffing his energy nowadays. If you keep rallying....he will tire first.
I think it's more the precision and boldness of Fabio's shots. He is outplaying Nadal seriously.
Nadal doesn't have the guts to go for the lines and when he does he is missing.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 12:24 pm

Fabio must contain himself for the first few games of this set...he has let Nadal off the hook in this first game with that silly dropshot on 00:15.

Nadal does not need much....you've got to punch him until he falls on the ground.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 12:27 pm

Nadal turning on the bicep power, hold on Fabiooo!!!! diva

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri May 18, 2018 12:29 pm

Brainfreeze at the net, sending the ball to Nadal's FH instead CC into the empty court and Nadal breaks.


Come on Fabio break him back!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by naxroy on Fri May 18, 2018 12:31 pm

fognini did a 5-0 to nadal

impressive mr fabio

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Rome

Post by Tenez on Fri May 18, 2018 12:39 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:Wow...Nadal is tiring again........His shots are quickly losing intensity and precision.

he is done.

Well done Fog....I did not think he could do it but clearly Nadal is bluffing his energy nowadays. If you keep rallying....he will tire first.
I think it's more the precision and boldness of Fabio's shots. He is outplaying Nadal seriously.
Nadal doesn't have the guts to go for the lines and when he does he is missing.
When Nadals shots have the energy and spin, it's very hard to get precise shots off them. This is why you need to cut his neck's muscles like the picador does, then you can be more precise with the shots.

Shame Fabio is erratic and does not keep the long rallies going.

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