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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by Tenez on Thu May 10, 2018 2:27 pm

Rao is really playing terrible nowadays. Shapo doesn't have to do much to be fair.

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Post by Tenez on Thu May 10, 2018 2:32 pm

Tenez wrote:Rao is really playing terrible nowadays. Shapo doesn't have to do much to be fair.
And just when I say that Rao ups his game....but so does Shapo. 5/3 shapo second set.

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Post by naxroy on Thu May 10, 2018 2:45 pm

cant understand how this raonic defeated dimitrov

nice to see shapovalov in madrid

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu May 10, 2018 2:59 pm

Tenez wrote:It's not elegant but very good. So clearly better than Dimi in spite of the 7 years separating them.
It’s almost as good as Fed’s, esp in terms of ease.

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Post by naxroy on Thu May 10, 2018 3:11 pm

anderson in quarters

based on how the match is going now for delpo and his h2h with anderson, I think delpo is the best bet for semis.

will nadal meet him there? hope so, would be a nice match

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Post by Tenez on Thu May 10, 2018 3:29 pm

Yes I think Delpo is the most likely to bother Nadal.

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu May 10, 2018 4:07 pm

Back just in time to see the third set.

GO DUCI! diva

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Post by Tenez on Thu May 10, 2018 5:11 pm

yes he did well.....but v Nadal....Delpo would have been the tougher player.

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Post by Tenez on Thu May 10, 2018 5:21 pm

naxroy wrote:
Tenez wrote:
naxroy wrote:tenez, enjoy tennis

if you dislike him so much, dont watch nadal


you would miss great clay tennis though
You dont get the point. I woudl not dislike Nadal if it wasn't for his dodgy muscles, stamina and on court behaviour. But don;t worry I enjoy when he loses.
 

you are right there, I just dont get it

I ve never watched tennis to see a certain player lose, nor had I ever felt happy for somebody losing
But if you think someone is a serial cheat, would not you want him to lose? be honest.

I know you do not think Nadal cheats but he has been bending the rule every single time. If he could bend the court lines to suit him, he would!

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu May 10, 2018 6:07 pm

Tenez wrote:yes he did well.....but v Nadal....Delpo would have been the tougher player.
Delpo was super slow today, he would have had no chance vs Nadal.

At least Duci is going to go for it and fight like a lion, and we know he won’t get bagelled! diva

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Post by noleisthebest on Thu May 10, 2018 6:09 pm

Anyway, I think Schwarzman will have more chance than Delpo, he is a minii, more mobile version of him.

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Post by naxroy on Thu May 10, 2018 9:34 pm

Well I didnt expect delpo to lose after first set, but tennis has this things...

Schwartzman really meant the biggest test for nadal so far, but made too many mistakes with his backhand and serve

it is true though that nadal couldnt feel confortable on court throughout the match, still, he did his job in two long sets

I saw him making more UE than normally, possibly cos Diego was moving really well and it was hard for nadal to find open court

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Fri May 11, 2018 9:32 am

From what it appears to me, the only possibility Nadal can lose before RG is against Thiem. Its a small possibility but that is what we have. The other contenders are not even good enough to get to face him and losing to the non-contenders.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by Tenez on Fri May 11, 2018 9:45 am

Zverev seems to have added a bit of pace to his shots. He can open the court.

We have not seen Nadal play those who can inject pace consistently. We know he doesn't like pace.

Look at Wimbledon last year. He looked great when playing on slow grass but as soon as he played a heavy hitter on slightly fastish court he pannicked and retreated 5m behind teh BL.

Thiem would not be my choice for beating Nadal. Zverev, Shapo, Edmund have the firepower...and more solid on the BH too. Essential when playing Nadal.

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Post by naxroy on Fri May 11, 2018 10:01 am

Edmund actually got one set from nadal in last years montecarlo

Shapo? I dont know, they never met on clay, the guy looks good, but dont know if that good.

Zverev? I would have thought that, but they meeting in davis cup and the clay season so far dont say so.

it is true though that madrid height might help zverev a little... still I doubt it

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Post by naxroy on Fri May 11, 2018 10:04 am

I think today is a good moment for nadal to lose or find certain difficulty

yesterday I saw him a little erratic, and in a good day, thiem is better than schwartzman

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by Tenez on Fri May 11, 2018 10:11 am

naxroy wrote:Edmund actually got one set from nadal in last years montecarlo

Shapo? I dont know, they never met on clay, the guy looks good, but dont know if that good.

Zverev? I would have thought that, but they meeting in davis cup and the clay season so far dont say so.

it is true though that madrid height might help zverev a little... still I doubt it

Yes bit what was true yesterday might not be so today. Nadal is still the favourite for sure....but I would like to see him play someone with firepower...from both wings.

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Post by naxroy on Fri May 11, 2018 10:27 am

of course, I am not saying he is not a real option, he indeed is.

but I was surprised of how nadal beat him in davis cup coming from 2 months off 

looking at his clay results it is true he won in munich and in general he is doing better than I thought

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Post by naxroy on Fri May 11, 2018 4:39 pm

thiem is mixing heights quite well

nadal in the same erratic mood as yesterday

still, serve is saving the spaniard so far

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Post by naxroy on Fri May 11, 2018 4:57 pm

we could be watching the first set lost by nadal in a long time

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by Tenez on Fri May 11, 2018 5:00 pm

naxroy wrote:thiem is mixing heights quite well

nadal in the same erratic mood as yesterday

still, serve is saving the spaniard so far
He would be much more erratic if he was playing within the 25s rule.

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 11, 2018 5:19 pm

And after Klizan it is Thiem who messes up SPs. Had he won that set, I would have fancied him to win teh match.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by naxroy on Fri May 11, 2018 5:23 pm

lots of UE

seems like nadal is having that day

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by naxroy on Fri May 11, 2018 5:31 pm

Very well done mister Thiem

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Post by Jahu on Fri May 11, 2018 5:38 pm

Thiem 14 FH winners to 4, only 7 errors, he is crushing Nadal, come onnnnnnnnnnn

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Post by bogbrush on Fri May 11, 2018 5:48 pm

Tenez wrote:And after Klizan it is Thiem who messes up SPs. Had he won that set, I would have fancied him to win teh match.
So you now fancy him to win the match?

Break up in 2nd now.

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 11, 2018 5:50 pm

Nadal is clearly tired. Strange as he had a week rest between Barca and Madrid.

This is why he will probably pull out of Rome to make sure he rests for the FO.

Someone like Thiem can engage in those long rallies and expose Nadal bluffing fitness.

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 11, 2018 5:51 pm

bogbrush wrote:
Tenez wrote:And after Klizan it is Thiem who messes up SPs. Had he won that set, I would have fancied him to win teh match.
So you now fancy him to win the match?

Break up in 2nd now.

Yes I do...cause it's obvious nadal is tired..and usually Thiem gets better as the match goes on.

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 11, 2018 6:10 pm

So funny!

Thiem:" Argh! you want to moonball? I will give you some moonballs!"

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Post by naxroy on Fri May 11, 2018 6:16 pm

excellent match by thiem, lets see if he can hold it for roland garros

today he would have also won in a bo5 I think

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 11, 2018 6:21 pm

Thiem hits harder. certainly today. Nadal was under par.....but was it to accumulated fatigue or simply Thiem gave him a ball which forced him back far from the baseline.

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Post by Jahu on Fri May 11, 2018 6:21 pm

Holy fuck, what a win for Thiem, amazing play.

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Post by naxroy on Fri May 11, 2018 6:22 pm

I think nadal had already showed signs of doubts yesterday


this had to happen, and it did against an excellent player on an excellent match


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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by Jahu on Fri May 11, 2018 6:23 pm

Anyone saying bad things about Thiem any more, is dead  Laugh

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Post by Jahu on Fri May 11, 2018 6:26 pm

Nadal was even over-moonballed today, will fall at QF RG too.

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Fri May 11, 2018 6:27 pm

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:From what it appears to me, the only possibility Nadal can lose before RG is against Thiem...

Tenez wrote:Thiem would not be my choice for beating Nadal. Zverev, Shapo, Edmund have the firepower...and more solid on the BH too. Essential when playing Nadal.

Told ya..

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by bogbrush on Fri May 11, 2018 6:27 pm

And TMF ascends to the throne yet again!

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by Jahu on Fri May 11, 2018 6:27 pm

Fed should play RG, all fresh, easy draw to Final and win it,I think Fed can take all 4 GS this year....

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Post by raiders_of_the_lost_ark on Fri May 11, 2018 6:28 pm

Jahu wrote:Anyone saying bad things about Thiem any more, is dead  Laugh

He is a completely different player on clay as compared to HC, Grass. He should get a better coach like Norman. He can win RGs.

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Post by Jahu on Fri May 11, 2018 6:31 pm

Ye, been saying it last month,Norman can maybe channel his power same way he fixed Stan.

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Post by bogbrush on Fri May 11, 2018 6:51 pm

Edmund going to duff Shapovalov up today.

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Post by bogbrush on Fri May 11, 2018 6:53 pm

Jahu wrote:Fed should play RG, all fresh, easy draw to Final and win it,I think Fed can take all 4 GS this year....
It’d seriously piss Nadal off if he entered, especially if Nadal got a crappy draw.

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Post by Jahu on Fri May 11, 2018 7:28 pm

True, Fed just showing as Numero 1 seed at RG, would totally screw Nadal from match 1.

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 11, 2018 7:32 pm

raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:
raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:From what it appears to me, the only possibility Nadal can lose before RG is against Thiem...

Tenez wrote:Thiem would not be my choice for beating Nadal. Zverev, Shapo, Edmund have the firepower...and more solid on the BH too. Essential when playing Nadal.

Told ya..

Yeah! Well done....though we have to admit Nadal was not his self.

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Post by gallery play on Fri May 11, 2018 8:25 pm

..and let's not forget Madrid's altitude, it's a good 600 m above sea level. Nadal has lost to Federer, Nole, Murray (twice), Verdasco and now thiem in Madrid for a reason. Because of the altitude it's by far the fastest claycourt out there. 

Nadal has to deal with a tricky dilemma: does he want the #1 position back and open the throttle once more in Rome or does he want to avoid the risk of entering RG with too much mileage, which could mean the top spot is -especially if he does not win the USO and Fed wins- out of his reach for a long time..

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Post by bogbrush on Fri May 11, 2018 8:41 pm

Yeah, it wasn’t in the plan for sure.

It’ll be fascinating if the draw at RG gives him a few tricky ones in succession.

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Post by Tenez on Fri May 11, 2018 8:41 pm

This second set and in particular that TB v Edmund shows perfectly what I try to describe about Sharapova being a basher.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by Tenez on Fri May 11, 2018 11:09 pm

So Nadal acknowledges that the fast(isher) conds of Madrid makes him more vulnerable. Clearly nadal doesn't like pace cause that prevents him from using his superior power and stamina.

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Re: ATP Masters 1000: Madrid

Post by summerblues on Sat May 12, 2018 12:11 am

Yay!  Happy Day!

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