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Post by Tenez Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:34 pm

barrystar wrote:Commentators on radio think Fed has a back issue.

Koening who I think is one of teh best commentator said so too. But it was not obvious.

However as mentioned, 11am start is tough when you are older. I know this from experience.

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Post by noleisthebest Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:47 pm

Tenez wrote:I am amazed at Federer's mental strength. He did not have the better game today...part the dead court part his average form and part Coric....yet he keeps cool and win when he was odds to lose!

Amazing performance....in a different style.

It was...he never leaves fans shortchanged.

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Post by noleisthebest Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:51 pm

Daniel’s vanished, mysteriosusly... Whistle

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Post by Tenez Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:27 pm

For those who are not convinced about Fed being better now than in 2007 or before, today is a match he could not have won back then. With his BH, he would not have been able to sustain the attacks from Coric.

In spite of not having a firing BH today, it gave him enough pace to stay in the rally and minimise the running. It would have been shanking galore had he had that old racquet.

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Post by Tenez Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:33 pm

Poor match that second one. Raonic is one of the few player who gets worse as he ages.

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Post by Tenez Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:38 pm

It's almost unfair for Fed....Delpo is having an easy training session.....while Fed will have to recover from a tough physical match.

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Post by bogbrush Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:59 pm

I didn’t see any back clues. Normally you can see them but really this was about a very windy day on a slow court against a guy who was playing super steady.

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Post by noleisthebest Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:17 pm

Federer should boycott this pathetic tournament from now on.

Court speed is criminal. I hope he says something about it in the press conference, he really should!

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Post by noleisthebest Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:20 pm

Tenez wrote:Poor match that second one. Raonic is one of the few player who gets worse as he ages.
I gave it a try for one game...it was unbearable. Not worthy even of a challenger.

How on earth can such dull, slow players be making 1000 SF?

Where are Goffin, Tsonga, Fognini, Monfils....

How stupid a TD so you need to be to spend all that money and have such poor tennis quality in your tournament...  Indian Wells - Page 7 2355573927

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Post by Tenez Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:31 pm

Just saw that Fed was warming up with his jacket...so probably some stiffness somewhere...as one would expect at 11am.

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Post by noleisthebest Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:40 pm

Jacket or no jacket, a win is a win, and trophy number 98 waiting tomorrow.

Btw, wouldn’t it be cool if Fed’s 100th came in Wimbledon? Magic smiley

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Post by Tenez Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:42 pm

yep.

Just learnt that Ljibicic is actually Coric agent!

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Post by Tenez Sat Mar 17, 2018 10:48 pm

Stats wee showing that Coric is standing further back on the return in 2018 than before so clearly learning tips from Nadal/Moya! On those slow courts one can stand back on return and cut the UEs.

That's why this court, like the USO behave like clay courts in facts.

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Post by bogbrush Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:09 pm

Today I saw further confirmation of why Federer should skip the whole clay season. What’s the point of knocking himself out to have all his shots be run down by guys like Coric?

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Post by bogbrush Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:10 pm

What’s people’s view of the final then? Is Del Potro able, as he so often is, to knock Federer off his game?

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Post by Tenez Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:17 pm

bogbrush wrote:Today I saw further confirmation of why Federer should skip the whole clay season. What’s the point of knocking himself out to have all his shots be run down by guys like Coric?

I saw more reasons to skip Miami if anything!

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Post by Tenez Sat Mar 17, 2018 11:20 pm

bogbrush wrote:What’s people’s view of the final then? Is Del Potro able, as he so often is, to knock Federer off his game?

At first I thought Delpo would have no chance but he played quite well versus Raonic though Rao was pathetic so difficult to say.

Delpo again has the huge advantage of being able to hit through this bloody slow court. However, he won;t be able to hurt Fed on the Bh to BH battle and that is going to be a big relief for Fed.

If Fed is 80% fit e should win it.

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Post by Jahu Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:09 am

Tenez wrote:
bogbrush wrote:Today I saw further confirmation of why Federer should skip the whole clay season. What’s the point of knocking himself out to have all his shots be run down by guys like Coric?

I saw more reasons to skip Miami if anything!

True story this!! Skip Miami, go home rest, maybe Djoko can move to second round in Miami  Laugh

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Post by summerblues Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:33 am

I think myself a reasonably normal middle-aged man. Whether or not Fed wins a SF of a Masters 1000 has little impact on his legacy, and his legacy has zero implication for my life. Yet here I was, checking scores on my phone every 5 minutes, all stressed out when he went down a break in the 3rd set.

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Post by summerblues Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:35 am

Jahu wrote:Fed will win this, but closely. Coric to choke soon.
Good call, Sir.

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Post by summerblues Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:15 am

It did not look to me like Fed had a back issue, but on the other hand, I thought that already vs Chung he looked out-of-sorts.  Against Chung, he only played well in patches - when it mattered - but otherwise was quite ordinary.  I was thinking maybe he was just saving himself, but maybe there is more to it.

Early today, he was blowing his nose at one of the changeovers and commentators suggested that maybe he had a mild cold or something.  I am hoping it was something like that - something that would just go away quick.

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Post by Tenez Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:42 am

Tenez wrote:11am is quite early for a 36yo! I expect Fed to loosen up and play better as his body warms up.
I said that at 2 games all first set.

Nothing to do with a cold. But back or not back there is going to be stiffness in a 36yo at 11am who has played 4 match in the previous days.

The slow courts certainly did not help!






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Post by Tenez Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:02 am

Well summed up, except that Fed does not dare to talk about court speed not to annoy his "freinds".

“I had to fight a little bit just to keep the ball in play,” said Federer. “I tried not to do too much shot-making because it was difficult in the wind and Borna was incredibly steady. He was playing deep, with hard shots. It was tough to do anything. When he was up a set and a break, it was tough for me to accept and move on and just be happy to stay in the game, stay in the rallies with nothing fancy and maybe he would get a little nervous, and I think that’s exactly what happened. I got a little bit lucky, too.”

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Post by Jahu Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:53 am

Tenez, you were scared last night Fed would lose (I was too), and you made up a quick 10 reasons why he is playing crap, get the list ready for tonight too  Laugh Laugh

Fed in 2 tonight  Big Grin

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Post by Tenez Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:21 am

I was confident he would win even after the 1st set loss. But then yes I was not scared but resigned he would lose after being broken again.

There are a few reasons why Fed was not playing his best. Wind, slow courts and stiffness...in whatever order.

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Post by Jahu Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:22 am

Coric was as his best ever too, Fed a little loose or not in good mood, morning game, lots of factors.

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Post by Jahu Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:25 am

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Look at the Top 8 in the WTF race, best mix ever without the usual 3 out of 4 old ones missing.

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Post by Tenez Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:34 am

Early days though. I was confident Fed would win IW after beating Chung but how is he going to feel now after his 3 sets yesterday?

Who knows?

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Post by Jahu Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:49 am

Raonic is not yet back to fully fit, so I'm not taking yesterdays match seriously for Delpo, today will be a good test for both.

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Post by noleisthebest Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:14 am

This tournament is best forgotten asap.
Only Federer’s win can give it some historic dignity.

And of course he will win.

Shame there won’t be much left in the tank for Miami.

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Post by noleisthebest Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:37 am

summerblues wrote:I think myself a reasonably normal middle-aged man.  Whether or not Fed wins a SF of a Masters 1000 has little impact on his legacy, and his legacy has zero implication for my life.  Yet here I was, checking scores on my phone every 5 minutes, all stressed out when he went down a break in the 3rd set.
Which reasonably normal middle-aged man stops watching Fed and goes shopping with his wife? Laugh

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Post by noleisthebest Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:40 am

Tenez wrote:yep.

Just learnt that Ljibicic is actually Coric agent!
Naaaah...
Coric is a steroid little prick who can’t even grunt properly...and Ljubo is a smart cookie with integrity.

I think he loves Fed.


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Post by bogbrush Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:41 am

Which reasonably normal middle-aged man ever goes shopping with his wife? Cool

(and which reasonably normal middle-aged wife wants him to?)

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Post by noleisthebest Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:43 am

bogbrush wrote:Which reasonably normal middle-aged man ever goes shopping with his wife? Cool
Maybe they were shopping for SB’s pyjamas...stripy or checked to match the curtains, that is the question!

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Post by Tenez Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:44 am

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:yep.

Just learnt that Ljibicic is actually Coric agent!
Naaaah...
Coric is a steroid little prick who can’t even grunt properly...and Ljubo is a smart cookie with integrity.

I think he loves Fed.

He is Coric's agent!

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Post by noleisthebest Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:45 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:yep.

Just learnt that Ljibicic is actually Coric agent!
Naaaah...
Coric is a steroid little prick who can’t even grunt properly...and Ljubo is a smart cookie with integrity.

I think he loves Fed.

He is Coric's agent!
Oh, I thought you meant spy....as in double agent....

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Post by Tenez Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:47 am

yep I meant business/commercial agent.

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Post by noleisthebest Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:50 am

bogbrush wrote:Which reasonably normal middle-aged man ever goes shopping with his wife? Cool

(and which reasonably normal middle-aged wife wants him to?)

Well, well, well...now you have opened a can of worms! Laugh

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Post by bogbrush Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:46 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
bogbrush wrote:Which reasonably normal middle-aged man ever goes shopping with his wife? Cool

(and which reasonably normal middle-aged wife wants him to?)

Well, well, well...now you have opened a can of worms! Laugh
Wives generally want their husbands to go shopping with them because they want them to share activity with them and don’t want them just doing their own thing. By middle age most have grown out of that phase, though the desire to command the attention of their husband (often by assigning ‘urgent’ tasks and the like) never really lapses completely, unless they no longer care for their husband.

Believe me, I’m closing in on 30 years married. I know this stuff.

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Post by Daniel Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:41 pm

So, it's down to the two form players at the moment.  As it always seemed like it would end up as.  And, if I am honest, I had Del Potro as slight favourite at the start - and still do.  It depends on how they turn up - but there are only 3 players that I've seen get into Fed's head - and this is one of them.

Don't be surprised to see Federer lose.

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Post by Tenez Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:48 pm

No we won't be surprised cause Fed might feel and pay for his yesterday match...but Fed's possible bad form is the only chance for Delpo.

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Post by Daniel Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:01 pm

Yeah, it's the only chance for someone who is a former slam winner - and the last winner of an event - and who has beaten Federer numerous times before.  Clearly this useless man has no chance.

Fanboooooooy.

You're already getting your excuses in early.   Laugh

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Post by bogbrush Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:24 pm

I reckon this is a toss up match. Federer hasn’t really hit any kind of high level this week. It’s not all about him though, not least the court and wind are not to his liking.

Del Potro is on a decent run and has a weapon that can mess Federer up. It always takes a good standard by Fed to beat him.

On the other hand Del Potro isn’t playing amazing tennis despite winning matches.

So, tough one to call. Could easily be very frustrating for Fed fans or he could ease through. 60/40 Federer I think.

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Post by Jahu Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:03 pm

Fed in 2. Today Fed knows what needs to be done, yesterday he came into the match thinking Coric has lost in the changing room.

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Post by barrystar Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:58 pm

One tough match for both of them. If Fed is not suffering back problems I make him marginal favourite. If you look at their rivalry Del Boy has only won when Fed is on a low or del Boy was on his career high. Fed knows what to do even if he has to work hard in most of their matches.

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Post by noleisthebest Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:05 pm

Fed tiiiime!  diva

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Post by Tenez Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:08 pm

It's not so much the back than just being stiff from having lactic acid residual in all his muscles.

Fed needs to win this remain #1 till Rome...and most likely till Wimbledon.

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Post by Tenez Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:11 pm

I heard less wind today.

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Post by noleisthebest Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:13 pm

Fed looks like he’s ready to rock&roll!

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Post by Tenez Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:16 pm

Good start from Fed. I expect him to walk to victory....bar sudden health issue.

He is going to be relaxed after yesterday's scare.

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