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Re: Rotterdam - Federer's quest for #1

Post by gallery play on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:21 pm

And the break..Dimi is lost

Let's see how embarrassing Krajicek makes the ceremony this time. First he announced last week that Federer called him and that he was able to force Federer to lower his price, then that silly cardboard box, then a weak speech ending up with him stumbling over his own words just because he refused to say the word "greatest".
What an arrogant prick.


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Post by Tenez on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:22 pm

bogbrush wrote:Turning to tonight, I think Federer hasn’t really been knuckling down so far. Kholi, Haase abd Seppi have all looked very competitive against him.

The question is whether he’s playing within himself, or not quite up there. Peter Fleming suggested his movement wasn’t quite there yesterday & the thought had occurred to me but then he’ll turn in an amazing point, so not sure really.

Tonight will tell. He’ll have to turn in a proper performance.

His mouvement was not great v Kholi either.

He so often has sets where he is struggling and they are quite obvious cause when his body is warm and/or fresh he can simply be amazing.

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:29 pm

Another break...

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Post by Tenez on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:30 pm

I was going to say that Fed is not moving well in that final but even Dimi looks sluggish there.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:31 pm

gallery play wrote:And the break..Dimi is lost

Let's see how embarrassing Krajicek makes the ceremony this time. First he announced last week that Federer called him and that he was able to force Federer to lower his price, then that silly cardboard box, then a weak speech ending up with him stumbling over his own words just because he refused to say the word "greatest".
What an arrogant prick.

I can’t believe he actually said that.

What an idiot.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:32 pm

Fed not bad at his ping-pong... Winking

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Post by luvsports! on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:34 pm

Feds to serve for title #97

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Post by Tenez on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:35 pm

Feel sorry for the crowd here. Dimi is useless...once again.

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Post by gallery play on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:36 pm

Despite doubts about his movement, his defense was really outstanding this week. Personally i think he moves ok, it's just that he plays even more economical then before. He never stretched to the max, but his anticipating is still good enough to attack when his back is against the wall.

To me he did everything right this week, especially under pressure.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:39 pm

10 extra years of experience made a difference.

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:40 pm

It was all a fake, Federers movement was beautiful there. I agree gp, he seems to play within himself to reduce strain rather than have a problem.

Dimi looked to have some problem but the biggest one was the opponent.

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:41 pm

gallery play wrote:And the break..Dimi is lost

Let's see how embarrassing Krajicek makes the ceremony this time. First he announced last week that Federer called him and that he was able to force Federer to lower his price, then that silly cardboard box, then a weak speech ending up with him stumbling over his own words just because he refused to say the word "greatest".
What an arrogant prick.
Total asshole.

Thankfully no speech from Krajicek.


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Post by luvsports! on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:42 pm

56 minutes...

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:42 pm

Tenez wrote:10 extra years of experience made a difference.
I think experience was secondary, he is clearly head and shoulders above everyone...again!

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Post by Tenez on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:42 pm

gallery play wrote:Despite doubts about his movement, his defense was really outstanding this week. Personally i think he moves ok, it's just that he plays even more economical then before. He never stretched to the max, but his anticipating is still good enough to attack when his back is against the wall.

To me he did everything right this week, especially under pressure.

That's true. But he is playing against players who are not challenging his fitness. Now only Djoko and maybe Murray can really test him on this side and ask the tough questions.

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:47 pm

He can skip Dubai if he wants now and still go to IW as #1 seed.

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Post by gallery play on Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:48 pm

And again Krajicek starts about his 2 wins in Rotterdam...it's not about you, you moron!!

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Post by gallery play on Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:02 pm

Tenez wrote:
gallery play wrote:Despite doubts about his movement, his defense was really outstanding this week. Personally i think he moves ok, it's just that he plays even more economical then before. He never stretched to the max, but his anticipating is still good enough to attack when his back is against the wall.

To me he did everything right this week, especially under pressure.

That's true. But he is playing against players who are not challenging his fitness. Now only Djoko and maybe Murray can really test him on this side and ask the tough questions.

Nadal too i guess, But the problem for Nadal and Murray against Fed these days, is that they don't get a single neutral ball back from Fed. While in the past most lenghty balls to Fed's bh, meant an upperhand in the rally.  

This week he showed he's still in a league of his own. If he stays fit, who's going to beat him on grass?

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:05 pm

Just before Miles said it I was thinking how my 20 year old son wouldn’t have had any awareness of tennis before Federer was #1 and now as he approaches his 21st birthday it is so again.

It’s mind boggling.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:13 pm

gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:
gallery play wrote:Despite doubts about his movement, his defense was really outstanding this week. Personally i think he moves ok, it's just that he plays even more economical then before. He never stretched to the max, but his anticipating is still good enough to attack when his back is against the wall.

To me he did everything right this week, especially under pressure.

That's true. But he is playing against players who are not challenging his fitness. Now only Djoko and maybe Murray can really test him on this side and ask the tough questions.

Nadal too i guess, But the problem for Nadal and Murray against Fed these days, is that they don't get a single neutral ball back from Fed. While in the past most lenghty balls to Fed's bh, meant an upperhand in the rally.  

This week he showed he's still in a league of his own. If he stays fit, who's going to beat him on grass?

To me his tennis, as sublime as it can be still looks very fragile due to his age/fitness. Who can beat him on grass? I'd say almost anyone who can drag him to the distance. Even this week he looked shaky in patches from R2 to semi.

So yes he can win Wimbledon without losing a set again but he can also be dragged down by anyone if suddenly he loses his serve and his FH goes wild.

Let's take the wins as they come but I would not bet much on him winning much more even though I know on the day he is still the best. But struggling v Haase or a 34yo Kholi exposes his fragility.



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Post by Jahu on Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:20 pm

Dimi self-destructed, started hard, I thought he's gonna blow Fed off the court, and by this time he should know you can't beat Fed like that, unless you grind him.

Some knee issue in second set for Dimi it seemed.

Apart from that joke of a No1 carton, wtf is with plates? Dimi's plate looked like a kids food plate, Feds like a potato salad plate, tight ass Dutch, joke.

Good finish of the week this, 500pts in the bag, hope he plays Dubai too.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:23 pm

I think as Barry mentioned the other day, Fed’s confidence esp after becoming number one may just be the elixir that will loosen him even more (if that’s possible).

He now officially has a target on his back, so whoever is across the net will have to deal with all Fed has to offer atm.

Which is why he will probably skip clay again. He can afford not to get dragged in long rallies any more, and clay brings that by default.

So long as his serve is firing he is fine.

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Post by gallery play on Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:35 pm

Tenez wrote:But struggling v Haase or a 34yo Kholi exposes his fragility.


If that was a struggle; he struggled all his life.
Haase played a very good first set, but still he was lucky he hit uncharacteristically a string of good returns at the right time so could grab the set.
Kohlie made the best of the fact Fed played under great pressure, but Fed stepped up when he had to.

Fed won a 500 in a decent field played with a heavy burdon on his shoulder and lost just 1 set. It hardly was a struggle.

I understand you concerns, but this week shouldn't have strengthened those concerns


Tenez wrote:Who can beat him on grass? I'd say almost anyone who can drag him to the distance

Ok, but not many can, do they?

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:37 pm

Jahu wrote:Dimi self-destructed, started hard, I thought he's gonna blow Fed off the court, and by this time he should know you can't beat Fed like that, unless you grind him.

Some knee issue in second set for Dimi it seemed.

Apart from that joke of a No1 carton, wtf is with plates? Dimi's plate looked like a kids food plate, Feds like a potato salad plate, tight ass Dutch, joke.

Good finish of the week this, 500pts in the bag, hope he plays Dubai too.
Kind of hoping he skips it and is fresh for IW and repeats the sunshine double. Then he’s #1 to Wimbledon in all probability.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:55 pm

True, but Dubai is his second home, might be a little tough to refuse organizers. 

Maybe Miami after IW might be too much much, and get a clay 1000 to compensate for missing Miami.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:58 pm

And whats stopping Fed play a few 250/500 and beat Connors record? A few clay ones wouldn't hurt, I remember he played Istanbul on their first year, rack in a few of those and compensate, then Halle/W.

I would attack 5 x 250 tournies this year, some fun with challenger players, it would be a few days like playing with hitting partners  Big Grin

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Post by gallery play on Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:12 pm

Conners' record is meaningless. He won a lot of tournaments with just 16 players in the draw, some even 4..

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:24 pm

4 ??!!!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:29 pm

I think after becoming number one again now, Fed has got even his wildest dreams out of his system...which then leads me to wonder if and what personal challenges he may have (if any).

Maybe just to keep playing freely and winning as long as he can.

Just enjoying every day on the court and soaking it all up.

I just can’t imagine he’s worried about any records any more (but that’s just me...)

Certainly a few more slams if possible to shut the door firmly in Nadal’s face.

Speaking of the devil, any news on his injuries?

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Re: Rotterdam - Federer's quest for #1

Post by Tenez on Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:41 pm

Jahu wrote:
Some knee issue in second set for Dimi it seemed.
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Ah...that's why they both looked flat footed.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:49 pm

gallery play wrote:
Tenez wrote:But struggling v Haase or a 34yo Kholi exposes his fragility.


If that was a struggle; he struggled all his life.
Haase played a very good first set, but still he was lucky he hit uncharacteristically a string of good returns at the right time so could grab the set.
Kohlie made the best of the fact Fed played under great pressure, but Fed stepped up when he had to.

Fed won a 500 in a decent field played with a heavy burdon on his shoulder and lost just 1 set. It hardly was a struggle.

I understand you concerns, but this week shouldn't have strengthened those concerns


Tenez wrote:Who can beat him on grass? I'd say almost anyone who can drag him to the distance

Ok, but not many can, do they?

I only saw summaries. But to me when he is fine, like in that first round for instance, or even first set and a half v Cilic AO 18, he is better against the opposition than even when he was 26/27...In that respect he is struggling less nowadays than in his 20s versus the field when body warm/rested. However I find him less consistent than then....which is perfectly normal. I can't ask more....but he is losing sets out of the blue or less able to return.

And I guess it explains why is not playing the French or clay at all.

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Post by barrystar on Sun Feb 18, 2018 6:25 pm

It’s an excellent result. For the third time since I have followed his career I think that whatever he wins from now is bunce. Unlike the two previous times I am pretty confident that he has more left. Let’s see. I’d expect him to feel pretty free of pressure now.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:09 pm

gallery play wrote:Conners' record is meaningless. He won a lot of tournaments with just 16 players in the draw, some even 4..

It's a record to be broken  Big Grin

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:13 pm

Another one I like is total match wins.

Currently Connors leads with 1256 and Federer is 2nd on 1144. 113 matches is more or less two more good seasons. I’d like to see that one go too.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:23 pm

7 more grass matches passes Connors too, 170/64 which should be doable with Halle/W.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:24 pm

bogbrush wrote:Another one I like is total match wins.

Currently Connors leads with 1256 and Federer is 2nd on 1144. 113 matches is more or less two more good seasons. I’d like to see that one go too.

...and then the Olympic Gold 2020 eh?  Big Grin

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:29 pm

...and while we are at it, throw in another pair of twins!

This time a boy and a girl.

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Post by Tenez on Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:37 pm

noleisthebest wrote:...and while we are at it, throw in another pair of twins!

This time a boy and a girl.
Good one....even better with another wife! Winking

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Post by Jahu on Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:45 pm

Go make your own kids people, saying to someone else who has 4 kids to make more, is a bit over the top  Laugh Laugh

Rightly said, need some fresh womb, a 23y old wife, give Mirka a rest will you  Laugh Laugh

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:24 pm

Here’s another couple of records I really like the look of:

- he needs 6 more match wins to reach 100 at the Australian Open!
- he needs 9 at Wimbledon to reach 100 there too.

Both look doable in 2019.

If find these two astonishing. I mean, a century of match wins at each event when you can only get 7 a year if you win the damn thing!!!

Connors reached 98 at the USO, nobody eise has ever approached the mark (Nadal surprisingly has only 79 at RG).

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Post by barrystar on Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:49 pm

Pretty much all he needs to is step on a court and either he sets a record or one is at stake. My hope for him is that he carries on enjoying it and organises his schedule and training solely for that purpose. Then I think good things will follow.

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Post by Daniel on Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:25 pm

I thought Dimi had a real chance this time.  God, most of this new generation are hopeless.  Generation Never.  Oh do clear off, Dimitrov.  Time for Shap and Zverev and Coric to step up.

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Post by Daniel on Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:17 pm

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on6 hours ago
He doesn’t eclipse Serena, she plays a different sport at a completely different level.

Respect to the women but I wish the BBC would stop with the incessant pushing of women’s tennis records as equal to the men’s. Men’s tennis is at an awesomely higher level.



Well said, Boggy!

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:30 am

So Fed does nit dosmiss the possibility of playing Dubai, says he is feeling great physically (just tired)


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Post by gallery play on Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:33 am

noleisthebest wrote:So Fed does nit dosmiss the possibility of playing Dubai, says he is feeling great physically (just tired)


Those interviewers are former pros. Maybe somebody recognizes Jan Siemerink. Made it to the top 15 once.
Salient detail, Jan has a positive h2h against Federer. (1-0 played in toulosue 1998). That must be one of Jan's highlights of his career Big Grin

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:20 pm

I could tell he was very relaxed with them all week.

Tried to find the Tolouse clip with Federer but only final vs Rusedski.

Tennis then almost looks prehistoric now!

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Post by Tenez on Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:30 pm

gallery play wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:So Fed does nit dosmiss the possibility of playing Dubai, says he is feeling great physically (just tired)


Those interviewers are former pros. Maybe somebody recognizes Jan Siemerink. Made it to the top 15 once.
Salient detail, Jan has a positive h2h against Federer. (1-0 played in toulosue 1998). That must be one of Jan's highlights of his career Big Grin
I certainly remember Siemerink but I would not have been able to recognise him.

Nice interview.

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Post by bogbrush on Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:32 pm

Daniel wrote:

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He doesn’t eclipse Serena, she plays a different sport at a completely different level.

Respect to the women but I wish the BBC would stop with the incessant pushing of women’s tennis records as equal to the men’s. Men’s tennis is at an awesomely higher level.



Well said, Boggy!
Cheers!

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Post by Jahu on Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:30 pm

We got to play the equality card guys, especially from a Tax founded corp. like BBC who pays their female works 3 times less then men for same job Laugh .

No one take it personally or seriously this equality, obviously, not even ladies do!!  Laugh

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