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Post by bogbrush on Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:59 pm

So what's he got to go at, apart from just enjoy it? I'll give my % likelihood alongside.


Slam records

- 10 Wimbledons - 10%. Would need to win 2 out of the next three, very tough
- 25 Slams - 5%. No, really.
- 100 match wins at AO - 60%. Needs a final appearance in 2019 or to play 2020 and not crash out hopelessly
- 100 match wins at Wimbledon - 75%. Needs either a win this year, or play 2019 and not crash out hopelessly in either

Total tournament records

- 100 Tournaments - 85%. Only 4 more needed. Even if it takes Halle, Basel, Dubai or whatever that looks in reach.
- pass Connors record - 35%. Tough, needs 13 to match and 14 to pass it. Unlikely

Ranking

- oldest ever #1 - 90%. If he wants it it's lying there to be picked up in Rotterdam. Otherwise, win in Dubai and it's his.


Any others?

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Post by gallery play on Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:14 pm

I think bar the #1 spot all the goals in your post are not realistic. 
Winning Dubai and Wimbledon, that's it. You can't ask for more .To be honest: even that feels a tidy bit greedy..

Today he said: "maybe i take a long period off now", which means he's not even bothered by the #1 position

I remember a thread on OTF after he won Wimbledon and Cincy in 2012. Everyone agreed back then his task was fullfilled...

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:29 pm

gallery play wrote:I remember a thread on OTF after he won Wimbledon and Cincy in 2012. Everyone agreed back then his task was fullfilled...
That's certainly how I felt.

Finishing year end #1....is the only thing that matters....as it looks like he is going to skip the French.

Any additional slam is welcome but not life changing. Even yesterday I thought it was quite an anti-climax. if it was not for teh big number "20" there was nothing really he needed to prove. Just stay well ahead of the competition.

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Post by barrystar on Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:36 pm

The remaining records are all a bit specialised - each time he steps onto a Court he breaks some record or other, so it's more for the tennis fan than to attract attention outside the sport, which reduces the pressure:

Slam:
#9 Wimbledon - 25%
#10 Wimbledon - 5%
#6 USO (open era) - 25%
#7 AO (all-time) - 25%
#100 match wins at AO - 40% - realistically requires two solid runs, 2019 & 2020
#100 match wins at W - 50% - QF and SF 2018-2019 with anything in 2020 bunce

Tournaments
#100 wins - 85% - only 4 to go almost certain
#110 wins (beat Connors) - 10%, at 14 wins next to no chance with his back
#1536 match wins (beat Connors) - 5% even less likely at 146 match wins

Ranking
#1 oldest ever - 40% (1/3 for Dubai, and a bit extra for the possibility of him matching last summer's overall points and Nadal not)
#1 y/e for 6th time - 10% - faint cause for optimism is the current apparent absence of a challenger apart from Nadal

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Post by bogbrush on Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:14 pm

gallery play wrote:I think bar the #1 spot all the goals in your post are not realistic. 
Winning Dubai and Wimbledon, that's it. You can't ask for more .To be honest: even that feels a tidy bit greedy..

Today he said: "maybe i take a long period off now", which means he's not even bothered by the #1 position

I remember a thread on OTF after he won Wimbledon and Cincy in 2012. Everyone agreed back then his task was fullfilled...
If by that he meant skipping Dubai / IW / Miami... and then of course clay, then he's more or less in semi-retirement and just wheeling out for the Slams. You can forget everything then except the Slam related milestones. 

That I think would be overkill. I hope he meant 4 weeks off until Dubai and then at least one of the sunshine events.

Screw clay, it's not worth it.


Note: Barry - Connors only played in 1535 matches, his number of wins was 1256. Federer needs 118 more wins to top that, for what it's worth.

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:32 pm

I actually love his record of 15 consecutive years of being fans’ favourite.

Ever since 2003.

Maybe he can break that one. Winking

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Post by bogbrush on Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:11 pm

noleisthebest wrote:I actually love his record of 15 consecutive years of being fans’ favourite.

Ever since 2003.

Maybe he can break that one. Winking
He'll probably be winning that for years after retirement.

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Post by bogbrush on Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:53 pm

By the way, spare a thought for Pete Sampras. I so well remember how miserable he looked at Wimbledon when his hopes of Andy Roddick blocking Federer from #15 were cruelly snatched away.

God knows what he things now as his record vanishes over the horizon.

A salutary lesson to Federer not to let up until Nadal is in his coffin, staked through the heart and head chopped off.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:57 pm

I was watching a interview of him by Cash where he looks a real monkey so hairy he is. The interview is a few years old now but he says he is so surprised to have 2 guys surpassing his record and one getting close to within 15 years of his retirement. He thought his record would keep for a lifetime.

It's sad in a way.


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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:00 pm

Why is it sad?

I love it when egomaniacs crash like that. 
How about a little humility...

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Post by Tenez on Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:15 pm

he worked hard to achieve something....and then realises it is not such a bog deal what he achieved. That's a bit sad...regardless of how egomaniac he is. He has not killed anyone.

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Post by barrystar on Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:19 pm

There was nothing whatsoever wrong with Pete Sampras except that absolutely everything about him down to the finest detail was boring. A sort of charisma vacuum. I never watched him play a match I wanted him to win against anyone. I suspect that if he is sore about anything it is that the only thing that he was ever given credit for by any crowd that ever watched him was for being American when he was playing in the US. Federer and Nadal have not just broken his records; they are loved wherever they go. Something he never really managed; he wasn’t even hated. Just no reaction; cold. Even the legends before him were loved, hated, or elicited some reaction.Pete was a magnificent tennis player who conducted himself sportingly but was always just passing through. Tennis dodged a column by not having to have him as its figurehead.

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Post by bogbrush on Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:25 pm

There’s losing his record, and there’s watching it made to look lame. One more and Federer has 50% more. Plus he’s lost his Wimbledon record, which given he passed Borg by two looked impregnable. I certainly never thought I’d see 7 beaten.

Yeah, it’s hard lines really. Especially as such a huge deal was made of it that he probably thought he could dine out on it for a couple of decades.

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Post by barrystar on Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:36 pm

Not at all hard lines. He did what he wanted; succeeded beyond his wildest dreams, and got away with boring everyone rigid whilst making tens of millions of dollars in the entertainment industry. Good for him I say. Borg’s records were exceeded; but he is remembered with real love; as is McEnroe. People say “I watched x play” when x might be Borg, Agassi, McEnroe, Connors, Lendl, or whoever. Hardly ever for Sampras. To me the fact that we now don’t need to remember his boring morose presence whilst he wiped such luminaries as Pioline or Todd Martin from the face of the earth as part of recalling any significant event in the game is a plus.

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Post by summerblues on Tue Jan 30, 2018 2:20 am

bogbrush wrote:I hope he meant 4 weeks off until Dubai and then at least one of the sunshine events.
I think he was suggesting he was not sure whether or not to play Dubai.  I expect he will play at least one of IW/Miami.  In fact, I expect that if he skips clay, he will likely play them both again.

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Post by bogbrush on Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:05 am

barrystar wrote:Not at all hard lines. He did what he wanted; succeeded beyond his wildest dreams, and got away with boring everyone rigid whilst making tens of millions of dollars in the entertainment industry. Good for him I say. Borg’s records were exceeded; but he is remembered with real love; as is McEnroe. People say “I watched x play” when x might be Borg, Agassi, McEnroe, Connors, Lendl, or whoever. Hardly ever for Sampras. To me the fact that we now don’t need to remember his boring morose presence whilst he wiped such luminaries as Pioline or Todd Martin from the face of the earth as part of recalling any significant event in the game is a plus.
Come on, say what you mean.

I agree for what it’s what it’s worth, couldn’t stand watching the guy. I’m just in a good mood.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:28 am

Tenez wrote:he worked hard to achieve something....
He did not work to achieve  GOAThood, he started his career as a tennis player like everyone else.
The fact his ego was so massive it got to him is his problem, and I don’t in the slightest feel sorry for him.
You live by the sword you die by the sword.

Tenez wrote:and then realises it is not such a bog deal what he achieved.
What, 13 slams is not a big deal?
Come on!

It you are such an egomaniac that 13 slams is not a big deal to you, you deserve all the pain.
Again all goes back to his ego...which dismisses all the years of glory, of the fantastic play, for what?


Tenez wrote:
That's a bit sad...regardless of how egomaniac he is. He has not killed anyone.

What has that got to do with anything?

The sad thing is not he is not a GOAT and that his record is broken, it’s that he is an egomaniac.

And he can't even see it, let alone do something about it.

Humility is better and more precious than a 1000 slams and goathoods.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:30 am

barrystar wrote:There was nothing whatsoever wrong with Pete Sampras except that absolutely everything about him down to the finest detail was boring. A sort of charisma vacuum. I never watched him play a match I wanted him to win against anyone. I suspect that if he is sore about anything it is that the only thing that he was ever given credit for by any crowd that ever watched him was for being American when he was playing in the US. Federer and Nadal have not just broken his records; they are loved wherever they go. Something he never really managed; he wasn’t even hated. Just no reaction; cold.  Even the legends before him were loved, hated, or elicited some reaction.Pete was a magnificent tennis player who conducted himself sportingly but was always just passing through. Tennis dodged a column by not having to have  him as its figurehead.
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Post by Daniel on Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:59 am

I'd love to see him pick up French Open 2, but it won't happen.  

US Open 6 - end the curse?

But, record wise, there really is not a lot left.

No order:

1. Oldest WN1 player, beating Agassi 33y. [95%]
2. Oldest Slam winner (second at moment on all time list - around half a year behind Rosewall's best.  But already the oldest Wimbledon champ. [20%]
3. Calendar Slam (Yeah not happening) [0%]
4. Most US Open Titles (6) [30%]
5. Total titles (110) [10%]
6. 10th Halle [75%]
7. Olympic Gold Singles [1%]
8. 6th Year End N1 - tying McEnroe [5%]

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:10 am

For me, all that’s left for Fed is to fly into the sunset.

No records, no numbers.

Just glorious tennis as long as his wings can carry him.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:17 am

i agree. number 1 would be good cause he certainly deserves it more than Nadal. But in the bigger picture....does it really matter?

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Post by Tenez on Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:18 am

20 slams is the equivalent of winning all slams for 5 years! That's going to be a tall order for the future players.

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Post by bogbrush on Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:27 am

Tenez wrote:i agree. number 1 would be good cause he certainly deserves it more than Nadal. But in the bigger picture....does it really matter?
Y'know, I think it does. It would be the cherry on the top. "World No 1 Roger Federer" kind of sets the World back straight.

Plus it would annoy all the right people.

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Post by Tenez on Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:37 am

It would be really significant if there were no Ifs. The fact Djoko is out injured would take away a bit of the shine.

Year end #1....with Djoko back....then we are talking.

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Post by Daniel on Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:39 am

You can bet your life that Nadal, the fist pumping Narcissistic weirdo, will be back soon like the Roadrunner thwarting traps in his effort to stop Federer becoming WN1.  I hope he gets a real injury.  When Karma comes for this deadbeat it's going to land him in a wheelchair.

At least when he's gone we won't have to put up with the cretinous "It BE DA INJURYYYYYYY"  every single loss.  But Fed has a great chance of WN1 by not even lifting a finger.

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Post by barrystar on Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:18 am

There is no room on this or any other forum for wishing a real injury on any player. Please keep this in proportion.


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Post by Daniel on Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:09 pm

barrystar wrote:There is no room on this or any other forum for wishing a real injury on any player. Please keep this in proportion.

Who made you Lord of Winterfell?  Get the hell out of here.  There is no room for your type of freedom curtailing nonce in the world, let alone a forum.  The alternative to what I do is me simply lying and saying things that only please you.  You know what you can do with your suggestion.

Since you seem to have some sort of comprehension problem, let me spell it out for you:

I would laugh if he got injured.  Not because I am a bad person, but because he is - and it would be deeply ironic.  He is a cheating bastard.  A lying, filthy player, who uses fake injury time outs and fake injury excuses to downplay losses, frustrate opponents, and cheat them out of a bit of joy of winning - all because his sad, weasley, narcissistic ass can't take a loss.  I hate him.  Literally hate him.  He's the only sportsperson I hate - and there a good deal of arseholes to go around.  But none like this cretin.  I won;t take back what I said, nor do I feel ashamed.  Nor do I owe you a dime.

I dislike cheats and want to see them punished.  I dislike arseholes and want to see them punished. I hate murderers and rapists and want to see them hung.  I hate torturers and want to see them hung drawn and quartered.

And I despise weak authorities and their pandering sympathizers, like you.  People who come in the guise of freedom and tolerance, but only when it suits them.  People who come in the guise of righteousness but let bastards off the hook time and time again.

I say again:  You know what you can do with your suggestion.   Thumbs Up

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Post by luvsports! on Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:41 pm

The forum's angriest poster, ladies and gentleman.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:48 pm

I don’t think it’s right to “badge” anyone.

The beauty of this particular forum is to have the freedom to express an opinion and be mature enough to handle it.

Simples.

I prefer honesty any time.

Even if it’s rough.

Others like wrapping things up.

Some have had a hard and some a cushy life...


At the end of the day we all love tennis.
And relaxing here.

And above all:

LONG LIVE FREEDOM (OF SPEECH!) Bubbly

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Post by Tenez on Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:55 pm

Relax Daniel.

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Post by barrystar on Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:24 am

That’s one thing I like about this forum; we don’t go squealing to the Mods when someone goes wildly OTT.

The alternative to wishing an injury on Nadal because he upsets you as a tennis player is to recognise that if you really feel like that you need to work on your sense of proportion. His antics on court used to drive me crazy before I decided lo get more of a grip.

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Post by Daniel on Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:00 am

It's called disagreement.  I don't care what you believe or think.  I have my views and you have yours.


The forum's angriest poster, ladies and gentleman.

It's better than being weak and ineffectual. It's because of weakness that Nadal and many others laugh in our faces.  So, err, yeah, that would explain the anger.  

Perhaps weeds like you with your soooo superior "lack of anger" are the reason nothing gets done.  Ever thought of that?

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Post by barrystar on Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:33 am

It is disagreement. I think wishing an injury on a mere sportsman who has done nothing to harm you is outrageous and wholly lacking in proportion. Surely if you hate Nadal as a sportsman, and I don’t like him much, you want to see him stuffed fair and square on Court, no excuses? That’s why AO17 was so great.

You will note that I have restricted myself to challenging your point of view. I have not impugned your motives or described your personality as despicable. Doing that is exactly how not to get stuff done because it is very difficult to discuss anything else once you start burning your boats in that way. The alternatives are to fight or walk away, and that tends not to work.

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Post by luvsports! on Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:17 am

Daniel wrote:It's called disagreement.  I don't care what you believe or think.  I have my views and you have yours.


The forum's angriest poster, ladies and gentleman.

It's better than being weak and ineffectual. It's because of weakness that Nadal and many others laugh in our faces.  So, err, yeah, that would explain the anger.  

Perhaps weeds like you with your soooo superior "lack of anger" are the reason nothing gets done.  Ever thought of that?

I don't really give you much thought tbh, sorry. I am sure the feeling is mutual.

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Post by bogbrush on Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:24 am

Tenez wrote:Relax Daniel.
That was him being relaxed. smiley

It's ok, I reckon there should only be one rule on this place, being don't directly smash each other in the face. barry's being a big boy about it so we're all cool.

Alternatively I could see if temp is prepared to come across from v2 and offer services as a mod?

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Post by legendkillar on Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:37 am

The Sith is strong in him...

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Post by legendkillar on Wed Jan 31, 2018 9:53 am

And he obliged. I wait for the day Nadal is forcechoked on court!

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Post by barrystar on Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:33 am

@bb, agree with your first suggestion, as for the second........

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Post by legendkillar on Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:11 am

bogbrush wrote:
Tenez wrote:Relax Daniel.
That was him being relaxed. smiley

It's ok, I reckon there should only be one rule on this place, being don't directly smash each other in the face. barry's being a big boy about it so we're all cool.

Alternatively I could see if temp is prepared to come across from v2 and offer services as a mod?

I have to say in stint as mod at 606V2 it was painful and an unjoyous ballache! 

I still don't know why they persevere with that approach. None of the tennis mob would survive in the Boxing section over there. 

Nothing draws sensitive outrage over there than an anti-Nadal post  Laugh Laugh Laugh

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Post by Daniel on Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:29 am

legendkillar wrote:And he obliged. I wait for the day Nadal is forcechoked on court!

Cool Love Blush

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Post by barrystar on Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:14 pm

BTW - anyone wondering about Federer's awareness of his place in the record books, have a look at the profile of him on his own website.  It's all there. http://www.rogerfederer.com/index.php/profile

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Post by gallery play on Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:48 pm

barrystar wrote:BTW - anyone wondering about Federer's awareness of his place in the record books, have a look at the profile of him on his own website.  It's all there. http://www.rogerfederer.com/index.php/profile
I like this one: "Yet to retire from a Pro match in singles or doubles"

that's truly a tough guy's stat.

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Post by noleisthebest on Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:55 pm

gallery play wrote:
barrystar wrote:BTW - anyone wondering about Federer's awareness of his place in the record books, have a look at the profile of him on his own website.  It's all there. http://www.rogerfederer.com/index.php/profile
I like this one: "Yet to retire from a Pro match in singles or doubles"

that's truly a tough guy's stat.
But he did chicken out of playing Nole in WTF ‘15 final. Winking

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Post by gallery play on Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:17 pm

that was 2014, get your facts right  Winking

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Post by barrystar on Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:35 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
gallery play wrote:
barrystar wrote:BTW - anyone wondering about Federer's awareness of his place in the record books, have a look at the profile of him on his own website.  It's all there. http://www.rogerfederer.com/index.php/profile
I like this one: "Yet to retire from a Pro match in singles or doubles"

that's truly a tough guy's stat.
But he did chicken out of playing Nole in WTF ‘15 final. Winking

It's the difference between a walkover - and he's given 3 of them as his site acknowledges - to a retirement during a match.  He has finished every match he started.

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Post by bogbrush on Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:54 pm

He's overlooked his 4th BBC award. Unsurprising really, as the BBC event was so hideous and it basically skirted over him (and anyone else apart from the absurd profiles of the contenders).

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