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The End od Internet Neutrality?

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The End od Internet Neutrality?

Post by noleisthebest on Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:19 pm





Is it the last or latest attempt to control us?

We can see how even in pro tennis top players control the top in a way as they can afford the best teams/access to medicine, umpires, rules abuse etc.

What does this move actually mean for an ordinary daily user of www?

More brainwash like TV? 
Another fearmongering  shade of grey?
Maybe an attempt to eg control crypto currencies?

Whatever it is, it’s another step towards suffocating truth and freedom.

How are the masses going to react? (Provided they are still able to think and see the “potential” of this move)

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Re: The End od Internet Neutrality?

Post by Tenez on Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:53 pm

They are already controlling the internet.

Again, as long as money controls everything, and we vote for richer, smarter people we will be on the losing end of it...whether it is capitalism, commmunism or other dictatorship.


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Re: The End od Internet Neutrality?

Post by noleisthebest on Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:01 pm

Tenez wrote:They are already controlling the internet.
In what way?
I know some countries block certain websites, but this appears to have the potential to basically block out anyone who can”t afford to have the presence.
It feels like the noose is just beeing tightened consderably and truth held to almost a knifepoint.
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Again, as long as money controls everything, and we vote for  richer, smarter people we will be on the losing end of it...whether it is capitalism, commmunism or other dictatorship.
Yes, the smart man is now reduced to a miracle.

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Re: The End od Internet Neutrality?

Post by Tenez on Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:39 pm

noleisthebest wrote:
Tenez wrote:They are already controlling the internet.
In what way?
I know some countries block certain websites, but this appears to have the potential to basically block out anyone who can”t afford to have the presence.
It feels like the noose is just beeing tightened consderably and truth held to almost a knifepoint.
For the better and the worse but Youtube for instance deletes posts which it thinks to be false information or complotism. FB, Google, Twitter are already controlling the content, like THASP was controlled to and had to withdraw a lot of its stuff, including pictures.

In a way it is normal, we do not want to have illegal stuff on the internet like we would not want it on our streets. Then again, comes the question "what level of control do we want"?

To me the internet is a source of information but I understand a lot of it has to be controlled. Even for instance when we talk about doping and suspect players here I think it is a thin line. I am glad we can do it and hope we can discuss it freely and openly but at the same time, it could be very unfair if a player we suspect is actually drug free.

I however think a player should accept the suspicion, even if innocent as that is the price to have open and objective discussions.

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Re: The End od Internet Neutrality?

Post by bogbrush on Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:48 pm

I'm going to sit back and read this in the context of the State debate elsewhere. 

I'll be interested to see who wants a free internet and who thinks it needs to be run by others "for your own good"?

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Re: The End od Internet Neutrality?

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:01 am

Tenez wrote:
For the better and the worse but Youtube for instance deletes posts which it thinks to be false information or complotism. FB, Google, Twitter are already controlling the content, like THASP was controlled to and had to withdraw a lot of its stuff, including pictures.
That’s different.
The clip is not about controlling content but basically virtually denying access to www.
So big money again controlling freedom of speech.
Now that TV is totally culled, they are turning attention to the www, the last bastion of sources of truth and any kind of free thinking available to an ordinary man.
Tenez wrote:
In a way it is normal, we do not want to have illegal stuff on the internet like we would not want it on our streets. Then again, comes the question "what level of control do we want"?
Legal or illegal, we know who even controls what’s legal.
And what is legal for one is not for the other etc.
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To me the internet is a source of information but I understand a lot of it has to be controlled. Even for instance when we talk about doping and suspect players here I think it is a thin line. I am glad we can do it and hope we can discuss it freely and openly but at the same time, it could be very unfair if a player we suspect is actually drug free.
Hehe, that’s the most of beating about the bush I’ve ever seen from you!
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I however think a player should accept the suspicion, even if innocent as that is the price to have open and objective discussions.
It’s called freedom of speech.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:11 am

bogbrush wrote:I'm going to sit back and read this in the context of the State debate elsewhere. 

I'll be interested to see who wants a free internet and who thinks it needs to be run by others "for your own good"?

I think this is not the state controlling but the capital behind it.

States as we used to know them don’t exist any more in a way.

Or maybe we can call that state the deep state.

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Re: The End od Internet Neutrality?

Post by Tenez on Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:55 am

noleisthebest wrote:
That’s different.
The clip is not about controlling content but basically virtually denying access to www.
So big money again controlling freedom of speech.
It's the same thing and the clip also talks about controlling content.

Legal or illegal, we know who even controls what’s legal.
And what is legal for one is not for the other etc.
Yes but it's not a perfect world. We need to compromise. I don;t want child pornography or violence on the net for instance.

Hehe, that’s the most of beating about the bush I’ve ever seen from you!
For the same reason as above. At the end of the day, we want safety, whether in the street or on the net, and that means control.

It’s called freedom of speech.
Yes but a lot can be said to abuse that rule. even here on this forum, we don't want and need to moderate but if someone comes and post absurdity or vulgarity at a high frequency, we will ban it.

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Re: The End od Internet Neutrality?

Post by legendkillar on Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:26 am

Can't say I am fussed. I had a life before the internet and if the changes restrict my access or rights, then I'll resort back to that life I had before smiley

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Re: The End od Internet Neutrality?

Post by bogbrush on Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:04 am

noleisthebest wrote:
bogbrush wrote:I'm going to sit back and read this in the context of the State debate elsewhere. 

I'll be interested to see who wants a free internet and who thinks it needs to be run by others "for your own good"?

I think this is not the state controlling but the capital behind it.

States as we used to know them don’t exist any more in a way.

Or maybe we can call that state the deep state.
I'm on about ruling bodies. There's very little difference between States and a gigantic corporation like Facebook.

The internet could be a libertarian paradise; facebook and big government would prefer it to be their arena in which we are played.

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Re: The End od Internet Neutrality?

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:57 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
That’s different.
The clip is not about controlling content but basically virtually denying access to www.
So big money again controlling freedom of speech.
It's the same thing and the clip also talks about controlling content.
It’s not the same thing.
It’s one thing to control the content (which is exactly what TV is doing) and another one to deny access to people like you and me to post content.

If it was like that from the start, www would be no different from TV.

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Legal or illegal, we know who even controls what’s legal.
And what is legal for one is not for the other etc.
Yes but it's not a perfect world. We need to compromise. I don;t want child pornography or violence on the net for instance.
I don’t want it either.
And as far as I am concerned it doesn’t even exist.

This is not about controlling or censoring www.

And I am not even sure all that vile content isn’t actually encouraged by the powers in the background. Surely that could be all cleaned up is someone wanted it like they do in China.

After all, what does Hollywood produce?
It’s more or less 70% gore and violence.

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noleisthebest wrote: Hehe, that’s the most of beating about the bush I’ve ever seen from you!
For the same reason as above. At the end of the day, we want safety, whether in the street or on the net, and that means control.
You are doing an Amri now.
My comment was about you being “soft” and beating about the bush when ot comes to doped players, nothing to do with safety.
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noleisthebest wrote: It’s called freedom of speech.
Yes but a lot can be said to abuse that rule. even here on this forum, we don't want and need to moderate but if someone comes and post absurdity or vulgarity at a high frequency, we will ban it.
Hehe, what is it with this royal use of “we” these days....
First, Federer in that interview I read this morning and now you.

It all started with Toni... headhurts

Yes of course, principles of decency should apply, though I can see even on this small forum that tresholds certainly vary.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:06 am

legendkillar wrote:Can't say I am fussed. I had a life before the internet and if the changes restrict my access or rights, then I'll resort back to that life I had before smiley

Thanks for reminding us... Laugh

Can I say - those were the days...?

Yes in some way. We who know what life was without the www can make the best of both worlds, though (which cannot be said of the “millenials”)

I must say, I’d be bored without internet.

I love the endless source of learning available on it.

There is so much food for the mind and soul in it that no conventional library can even come close to (not the mention the element of convenience and speed of availability).

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Post by Tenez on Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:27 am

noleisthebest wrote:It’s not the same thing.
It’s one thing to control the content (which is exactly what TV is doing) and another one to deny access to people like you and me to post content.

If it was like that from the start, www would be no different from TV.
It is not what the clip says, it says we would be using a different lane and TV works like that.. The BBC for instance can give you 2 opposite sides of the same story. But one story is on the "fast lane", meaning at the 6 and 8 oclock news while the other, maybe truer side of the story, is broadcast on the "slow lane", midnight and early am news.
PLUS, the clip does mention also that ISPs could control content.


And I am not even sure all that vile content isn’t actually encouraged by the powers in the background. Surely that could be all cleaned up is someone wanted it like they do in China.
hence the thin line.....Do we want to have the net controlled like in china or are we happy with the freedom but sometimes ugly side of the net?

My comment was about you being “soft” and beating about the bush when ot comes to doped players, nothing to do with safety.
I can easily question every player but likewise I recognise that some may have been wrongly accused like sometimes I can even suspect Federer.
Tenez wrote:Hehe, what is it with this royal use of “we” these days....
Just call me Sir. "We" banned one poster sometime ago and it was Rotla who did it.

Yes of course, principles of decency should apply, though I can see even on this small forum that tresholds certainly vary.
Most likely as this is managed by imperfect humans.

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Post by Tenez on Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:29 am

legendkillar wrote:Can't say I am fussed. I had a life before the internet and if the changes restrict my access or rights, then I'll resort back to that life I had before smiley

Interesting cause though I agree in principle, I like the internet who all I can learn from it and that's something I will certainly miss. I think I have learnt so much through it....including how to live without it!

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Post by Tenez on Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:31 am

bogbrush wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
bogbrush wrote:I'm going to sit back and read this in the context of the State debate elsewhere. 

I'll be interested to see who wants a free internet and who thinks it needs to be run by others "for your own good"?

I think this is not the state controlling but the capital behind it.

States as we used to know them don’t exist any more in a way.

Or maybe we can call that state the deep state.
I'm on about ruling bodies. There's very little difference between States and a gigantic corporation like Facebook.

The internet could be a libertarian paradise; facebook and big government would prefer it to be their arena in which we are played.
The problem with libertarian paradise is that it relies on humans to be wise and self controlled.....which clearly they are not.

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Re: The End od Internet Neutrality?

Post by noleisthebest on Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:16 am

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:It’s not the same thing.
It’s one thing to control the content (which is exactly what TV is doing) and another one to deny access to people like you and me to post content.
If it was like that from the start, www would be no different from TV.
It is not what the clip says, it says we would be using a different lane and TV works like that..  The BBC for instance can give you 2 opposite sides of the same story. But one story is on the "fast lane", meaning at the 6 and 8 oclock news while the other, maybe truer side of the story, is broadcast on the "slow lane", midnight and early am news.
It actually is.
It mentions the example of Netflix who were given preferential treatment (better streaming quality) than their competition at times (and vice versa)
And that’s playing with players who can afford to have presence on the www.

Imagine people “like us” then...eg wickileaks...or all alternative news sources etc etc.

www is still free...much freer than tv which this ban of neutrality will lead to probably.

Tenez wrote:
PLUS, the clip does mention also that ISPs could control content.
OK, I’ll rewatch the clip!

Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
And I am not even sure all that vile content isn’t actually encouraged by the powers in the background. Surely that could be all cleaned up is someone wanted it like they do in China.
hence the thin line.....Do we want to have the net controlled like in china or are we happy with the freedom but sometimes ugly side of the net?
I am happy for it to stay as it is.
All the vile stuff I don’t look at...don’t know what’s out there, and I don’t even want to know.
We can even compare www to a couldron of ideas...so we can control which ones we want to consider and which ones not.
Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
My comment was about you being “soft” and beating about the bush when ot comes to doped players, nothing to do with safety.
I can easily question every player but likewise I recognise that some may have been wrongly accused like sometimes I can even suspect Federer.
Who did you accuse wrongly?
At the end of the day even if all athletes dope now, it is not rocket science to see the ones who abuse it to the detriment of whole sport.
We are not far from its end in many ways.
Look at all the effort ATP are now putting into transforming the game to make matches “interesting” again, where all they should have done is simply honour the rules of that same game, such as time taken between the points...
Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Hehe, what is it with this royal use of “we” these days....
Just call me Sir. "We" banned one poster sometime ago and it was Rotla who did it.
Laugh
Oh dear...is it that bad!
btw, “sir” means cheese in Serbian.
Tenez wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
Yes of course, principles of decency should apply, though I can see even on this small forum that tresholds certainly vary.
Most likely as this is managed by imperfect humans.
I am not sure most would agree even on that here!

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Post by bogbrush on Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:20 am

Tenez wrote:
bogbrush wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:
bogbrush wrote:I'm going to sit back and read this in the context of the State debate elsewhere. 

I'll be interested to see who wants a free internet and who thinks it needs to be run by others "for your own good"?

I think this is not the state controlling but the capital behind it.

States as we used to know them don’t exist any more in a way.

Or maybe we can call that state the deep state.
I'm on about ruling bodies. There's very little difference between States and a gigantic corporation like Facebook.

The internet could be a libertarian paradise; facebook and big government would prefer it to be their arena in which we are played.
The problem with libertarian paradise is that it relies on humans to be wise and self controlled.....which clearly they are not.
Hmm, not really.

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Post by legendkillar on Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:55 am

noleisthebest wrote:
legendkillar wrote:Can't say I am fussed. I had a life before the internet and if the changes restrict my access or rights, then I'll resort back to that life I had before smiley

Thanks for reminding us... Laugh

Can I say - those were the days...?

Yes in some way. We who know what life was without the www can make the best of both worlds, though (which cannot be said of the “millenials”)

I must say, I’d be bored without internet.

I love the endless source of learning available on it.

There is so much food for the mind and soul in it that no conventional library can even come close to (not the mention the element of convenience and speed of availability).


I see the internet as some jumbled up entertainment library. Some days on it can be enjoyable than others.

Given my job is mainly desk bound, I find it almost impossible to replicate that in non-working time. Hence I am outdoors as much as I can be.

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Post by legendkillar on Mon Dec 18, 2017 12:55 am

Tenez wrote:
legendkillar wrote:Can't say I am fussed. I had a life before the internet and if the changes restrict my access or rights, then I'll resort back to that life I had before smiley

Interesting cause though I agree in principle, I like the internet who all I can learn from it and that's something I will certainly miss. I think I have learnt so much through it....including how to live without it!

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