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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by bogbrush on Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:33 pm

Surely time Nadal declares how injured* he is and pulls out?


* while not taking any credit away from his opponent of course

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:51 pm

Yep Goffin is a bit on the weak side, mental wise. Same built and some resemblance style wise with Davydenko....but certainly not up there in the head.

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Post by Jahu on Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:53 pm

Finally!!! Goff wins.

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Post by bogbrush on Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:58 pm

Grinnn’ Greg loses control of his mouth again.

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Post by Tenez on Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:06 pm

bogbrush wrote:Grinnn’ Greg loses control of his mouth again.
Laugh

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by noleisthebest on Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:43 pm

I slept throuth the third set, how did Goffin manage to win in the end...

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Post by noleisthebest on Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:47 pm

Tenez wrote:It has turned my world upside down. Like BB I have lost faith now!
Faith in what?

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by bogbrush on Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:19 am

Just a pity Federer didn’t get to improve the h2h again.

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Post by DECIMA on Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:44 am

Heroic!

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by summerblues on Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:06 am

So Rafa is done for the season.  Now, of course, Fed will win WTF without losing a match and end up 140 points short of No 1.

Ha Ha Ha.  How very funny.

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Post by summerblues on Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:09 am

What a choker that Goffin is.  I cannot believe he managed to win the match:

Serving for the first set - DFs and what not, gets broken.
Serving for the match - gets broken again (was there a DF there too?).
4 MPs, three of them from 0-40 - fails to convert any of them.

After the second set, I was sure Rafa would win.

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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:55 am

So...

Nadal withdraws from WTF.

Funny, because while I was watching the match (first two sets, with no commentary), I was thinking how ironic it was that Nadal came to this tournament/match with all the announcements of his knee injury and yet he ran around like a bullet.
Goffin on the other hand, struggled to serve to the ad court and clearly had some issue with his knee.

Would Nadal have withdrawn had he won...because that could easily have happened.

The truth is, he can’t play on anything that is not high bouncing, which is why he never won WTF.

And that is so weird, because low bouncing tennis is the  real, natural tennis, it’s how it’s meant to be played and much easier than high bouncing which is so artificial...like running backwards.


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Post by noleisthebest on Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:01 am

summerblues wrote:What a choker that Goffin is.  I cannot believe he managed to win the match:

Serving for the first set - DFs and what not, gets broken.
Serving for the match - gets broken again (was there a DF there too?).
4 MPs, three of them from 0-40 - fails to convert any of them.

After the second set, I was sure Rafa would win.

Yes...that was unbelievable...which is why I stopped watching after the second set.

I thought Goffin had some problem with his hamstrings and nerves at the back oh his leg/knee which is why he had those DFs...

But other occasions, like the many short, tight overspun CC FHs right back into Nadal’s striking zone were inexplicable.

Like he was spellbound.

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by Tenez on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:33 am

summerblues wrote:So Rafa is done for the season.  Now, of course, Fed will win WTF without losing a match and end up 140 points short of No 1.

Ha Ha Ha.  How very funny.

Yep.....Had Pouille converted his MPs in Japan...It's takes hardly anything. Federer has been robbed of Yend number 1...a few times.

I don;t think he is guaranteed to win London though. I question his fitness cause had he been 100%, he woudl have played Paris, or tried to and in his last interview he alludes to "now being 100%"....but with him we never know.

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by Tenez on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:36 am

summerblues wrote:What a choker that Goffin is.  I cannot believe he managed to win the match:

Serving for the first set - DFs and what not, gets broken.
Serving for the match - gets broken again (was there a DF there too?).
4 MPs, three of them from 0-40 - fails to convert any of them.

After the second set, I was sure Rafa would win.
We could say the same of Federer v Nadal at the AO to be fair.

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by Tenez on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:38 am

noleisthebest wrote:.....
And that is so weird, because low bouncing tennis is the  real, natural tennis, it’s how it’s meant to be played and much easier than high bouncing which is so artificial...like running backwards.

It makes such a difference to have that extra split second to allow him to inject 100% of his brawn into the ball. The USO in that respect was a disgrace.

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by barrystar on Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:14 am

Tenez wrote:

Yep.....Had Pouille converted his MPs in Japan...It's takes hardly anything. Federer has been robbed of Yend number 1...a few times.

There are always going to be ifs buts and maybes in close years, but I ask you to say when Federer has been "robbed" of y/e #1.  I'd define a 'robbery' as when the ability to get #1 is taken off his racquet by unfair matters outside his control, and I'll even identify the years when he was y/e #2.

2003: the closest before 2017, missing by 160 points, but his reverses included Roddick at Toronto, Nalbandian at Cincinnati & USO, and Henman at Paris 
2008: was not that close - Nadal had the beating of everyone else and was hugely deserved #1
2012: Djokovic was the clear race winner and was 3:2 in their H2H
2014: Djokovic was the even clearer race winner and won their only slam final

Perhaps you could point to Roddick getting a lucky win vs. Nalbandian in the 2003 USO SF after the spectator interference, but that did not take #1 off Federer's racquet - in particular his losses to Nalbandian and Henman prevented him from being able to get at Roddick and show who was boss.  I'd accept he was unlucky to have mono in 2008, but if we are going to play the 'but for injuries' game (and I don't, especially for such a relatively injury-free career), what about 2009?

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by Daniel on Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:19 am

bogbrush wrote:Surely time Nadal declares how injured* he is and pulls out?


* while not taking any credit away from his opponent of course



Yup.

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Post by Daniel on Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:22 am

summerblues wrote:What a choker that Goffin is.  I cannot believe he managed to win the match:

Serving for the first set - DFs and what not, gets broken.
Serving for the match - gets broken again (was there a DF there too?).
4 MPs, three of them from 0-40 - fails to convert any of them.

After the second set, I was sure Rafa would win.

With the exception of Djok, Nadal, Fed, Wawrinka, Del Potro and maybe Zverev/Kyrgios... all the top players are serial chokers (note... only Zverev/Kyrgios from the Generation Never). And I am getting mighty sick of it.  The lower ranked players like Brown seem to have a lot more balls... but of course lack the consistency / belief.

Goffin, Dimitrov, Thiem, Monfils, Ferrer... basically the lot of them... are useless. Nadal usually just has to yawn his way to a win by waiting for the mistakes to pile up.

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by gallery play on Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:29 pm

Zverev is one of those very few players who can make Federer look worse than he is. And that's not meant as a compliment. It's that typical defending teasing game with just enough resistance which leaves Federer uncomfortable and annoyed actually. A bit like those early meeting against Murray.

Zverev at this rate will surpass Nadal as most annoying player of the tour in no time. There is literally nothing to like about Zverev. His game, shots, movement...it all sucks. And than there's that wanking face! envy


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Post by gallery play on Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:30 pm

Meanwhile 3-2 in the second. Not a pleasant match. Can't be, with Zverev on court

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Post by luvsports! on Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:31 pm

Zverev breaks back. Seems like a v close match.

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Post by gallery play on Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:37 pm

luvsports! wrote:Zverev breaks back. Seems like a v close match.
Yeah, they're probably heading for another tiebreak. 
Federer can't find his groove. Looks like his arm is not loose

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Post by luvsports! on Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:53 pm

3 set points Zverev Sad

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by barrystar on Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:53 pm

Looks like they might be headed to a decider.

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by AceofDeath on Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:58 pm

He wants more time on the court to work on his BH, which is y he gave that set up

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Post by gallery play on Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:59 pm

Zverev wins the second. My disgust for Zverev is bigger than my curiosity for the outcome of this match.

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Post by barrystar on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:01 pm

Disgust, really?

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by Jahu on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:15 pm

Double break up for Fed, come on crush this russian fuck.

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:40 am

barrystar wrote:
Tenez wrote:

Yep.....Had Pouille converted his MPs in Japan...It's takes hardly anything. Federer has been robbed of Yend number 1...a few times.

There are always going to be ifs buts and maybes in close years, but I ask you to say when Federer has been "robbed" of y/e #1.  I'd define a 'robbery' as when the ability to get #1 is taken off his racquet by unfair matters outside his control, and I'll even identify the years when he was y/e #2.

2003: the closest before 2017, missing by 160 points, but his reverses included Roddick at Toronto, Nalbandian at Cincinnati & USO, and Henman at Paris 
2008: was not that close - Nadal had the beating of everyone else and was hugely deserved #1
2012: Djokovic was the clear race winner and was 3:2 in their H2H
2014: Djokovic was the even clearer race winner and won their only slam final

Perhaps you could point to Roddick getting a lucky win vs. Nalbandian in the 2003 USO SF after the spectator interference, but that did not take #1 off Federer's racquet - in particular his losses to Nalbandian and Henman prevented him from being able to get at Roddick and show who was boss.  I'd accept he was unlucky to have mono in 2008, but if we are going to play the 'but for injuries' game (and I don't, especially for such a relatively injury-free career), what about 2009?
Good memory.....remember also Fed's match in Paris (2003)? Federer had set point and the easiest FH to put away......but sails it long.

To me this year Fed has been better than Rafa...when fit. Hence while I feel a bit of robbery.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:43 am

gallery play wrote:Zverev is one of those very few players who can make Federer look worse than he is. And that's not meant as a compliment. It's that typical defending teasing game with just enough resistance which leaves Federer uncomfortable and annoyed actually. A bit like those early meeting against Murray.

Zverev at this rate will surpass Nadal as most annoying player of the tour in no time. There is literally nothing to like about Zverev. His game, shots, movement...it all sucks. And than there's that wanking face! envy

LOL! Glad you agree now. Worse, he tried to outrun Nadal at the AO. That was so pathetic..and frustrating! SO glad he lost at the end, cause it allowed Federer to get one back v Nadal!

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Post by summerblues on Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:56 am

Tenez wrote:SO glad he lost at the end, cause it allowed Federer to get one back v Nadal!
But maybe prevented him from taking No 1 spot.

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Post by summerblues on Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:58 am

I am now increasingly hopeful that Fed may be able to get to No 1 somewhere along the way.  I thought Rafa was going to do far better both here and in Paris.  Hopefully Fed can win, or at least make the final.

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:49 am

I just watched some highlights of Fed Zverev. Not impressed by Fed. He really looks out of shape. It seems clear to me that he was probably not in a state to play Paris after his tough tournaments in succession.

He is not serving very well and his mouvement is poor. His win on Sunday is no guarantee to me, though still the favourite..unless he plays Zverev in final.

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Post by gallery play on Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:11 pm

Tenez wrote:I just watched some highlights of Fed Zverev. Not impressed by Fed. He really looks out of shape. It seems clear to me that he was probably not in a state to play Paris after his tough tournaments in succession.

He is not serving very well and his mouvement is poor. His win on Sunday is no guarantee to me, though still the favourite..unless he plays Zverev in final.
Federer was constantly moaning, uncharacteristically. To me that's a sign he was more annoyed with how he wasn't able to cope with such an earthbound game instead of a physcial issue. Fed gets despondent when he's hampered by lack of fitness, yesterday he wasn't despondent. 

Still, he didn't look fast on his feet, but it could be that the court is faster than we think. His returning was also very poor, so maybe he's still getting used to the court speed.

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:45 pm

Federer wrote:Q. After the final in Basel, you said you felt your body was asking you for a break. Are you happy with the way you recovered these two weeks? How do you feel?
ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, took me long time to recover really, to be honest. I had a very slow week the Paris week. But also, other than the charity match, the Andy Murray Live match in Scotland, I also didn't do that much. The last sort of Thursday, Friday - especially Friday, Saturday, sorry - were my more intense days. Other than that, I didn't do much.

I'm happy that I was able to come out today and had actually good energy. This is the best I've felt since the del Potro finals. I'm very happy to see that I didn't have to pay the price for taking it easy, you know, resting, recovering. But then turning it up the last few days got me in shape for today.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:53 pm

Q. When you decided not to play Paris, you took yourself out of contention for the year-end No. 1 ranking. Rafa got that trophy today. Is there a small part of you that wished it was still on the line here? How did you get to the decision to not use that as a factor?
ROGER FEDERER: No, I was supposed to do the Sky interview afterwards, and they wanted to talk to me about the tactical element of the match. The Rafa trophy presentation was going on.

They said, Is it okay to wait?

I said, Well, yeah, I better wait because this is a big deal. This is a huge thing.

All the players were playing for maybe world No. 1. He was better throughout the year. He played more tournaments. He was incredibly successful throughout. So, no, I don't have any regrets because I feel like in my stage of my competition, my age, either it comes to me or it doesn't.

He had more, you know, gas left in the tank than I did. I couldn't play as much as I've wanted, or I overplayed anyway. My only regret was I would have loved to be in contention through the Montreal finals, Cincinnati, US Open. But things evaporated very quickly after he won the US Open. That's when he made his final push, was in Asia. That was it for me really.

In some ways I'm happy he clinched it because he deserves it. And like this, I can focus on playing the tournament, and not having to talk about that at the same time.

But, sure, I would have loved to be it, but you can't be it with that many tournaments, so it's no problem for me.

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Re: World Tour Finals 2017

Post by luvsports! on Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:45 pm

Goffin BAGELLED

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Post by luvsports! on Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:58 pm

6-0, 3-0.

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Post by luvsports! on Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:32 pm

60 62. Ouch.

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Post by bogbrush on Wed Nov 15, 2017 5:44 pm

Was that Dimitrov playing great, Goffin bad, or what?

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Post by Jahu on Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:14 pm

Wtf happened, Goff decided to rest today or what? Good to see win Dimi anyway, he should win his group and meet Fed in Final, don't want that russian in Final.

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Post by Jahu on Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:16 pm

Just checked this Nitto company sponsoring the WTF, Japanese raw materials company totally unrelated to sport endorsments, don't know how they got into Tennis.

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Post by Jahu on Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:18 pm

Meanwhile Djoko selling his ass for pennies and forcing all his family into the advert and promoting Jacobs Creek with some pretty 80s adverts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AG1oSA2Sbc sad fuk.

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Post by luvsports! on Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:30 pm

I bet that wasn't pretty to watch. THiem limps past Busta.

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Post by Jahu on Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:37 pm

Tough win, Thiem stays so far away from base line more then even Nadal, he is killing himself, full of muscles, yet breathless all the time.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:45 pm

Jahu wrote:Just checked this Nitto company sponsoring the WTF, Japanese raw materials company totally unrelated to sport endorsments, don't know how they got into Tennis.
I am ordering a palette of their adhesive tape....I might need it you never know!.

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Post by Tenez on Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:46 pm

Jahu wrote:Tough win, Thiem stays so far away from base line more then even Nadal, he is killing himself, full of muscles, yet breathless all the time.

Yes, not very bright tennis.....all muscles, no imagination. Very much the new Muster!

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Post by Jahu on Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:48 pm

Hahah, I'm getting some WASHI masking tape.

Weird choice, non sports company, nothing to offer to fans, industrial stuff, shows ATP has failed badly on attracting sponsors.

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Post by summerblues on Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:31 am

Jahu wrote:Just checked this Nitto company sponsoring the WTF, Japanese raw materials company totally unrelated to sport endorsments, don't know how they got into Tennis.
Lol I was checking that the other too. Never heard of them, looked them up on wiki and could not make any sense of it.

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