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Re: Asian Swing 2017: Bejing/Tokyo & Shanghai

Post by noleisthebest on Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:17 pm

luvsports! wrote:I can see why Decima gets tired of this stuff. He is beating everyone who is up against him, everyone benefits from easy draws now and again.
Nadal benefits from easy draws more than now and then. That’s the problem.
And preferential umpring who allow him to take time between the points.

I am surprised Amri doesn’t get tired of that, as well.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:20 pm

Delpo is playing better than Fed from the baseline.
Not sure why Fed is not able to make him run more today, it’s more the other way round.
His shots don’t seem to penetrate the court.

Still, great to see him fight.

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Post by luvsports! on Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:21 pm

Breaks!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:22 pm

And the fight finally pays off - he breaks!

Don’t know why Delpo is complaining to the umpire, they should speak in English so we can all understand.

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Post by luvsports! on Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:36 pm

FInal set shootout.

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Post by luvsports! on Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:46 pm

Breaks!

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Re: Asian Swing 2017: Bejing/Tokyo & Shanghai

Post by noleisthebest on Sat Oct 14, 2017 2:49 pm

Federer in his Professor Volley mode.

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Post by luvsports! on Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:02 pm

5-3!

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Post by Tenez on Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:02 pm

Federer will need this precise serving tomorrow.

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Post by luvsports! on Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:07 pm

YIPPPEEEE!

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Re: Asian Swing 2017: Bejing/Tokyo & Shanghai

Post by AceofDeath on Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:11 pm

luvsports! wrote:I can see why Decima gets tired of this stuff. He is beating everyone who is up against him, everyone benefits from easy draws now and again.
This entire season he hasn't beaten any of the traditional big 4. He has stat padded the last 2 months while his rivals all have injuries.

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Post by Tenez on Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:11 pm

A bit of a shame to have the 36yo playing 3.5 hours after the semi.....but I still fancy Federer tomorrow. He will feel it (5 matches in a row) but as his body warms up (looks like it took a set today), he will get the upper edge.

Nadal can however make him run and break down Fed's sharpness. I think Nadal will be tired too.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:34 pm

Delpo played really well today, fast on the baseline, better than Nadal.
Federer did not look tired today, I liked how he got his teeth into the match and turned/willed it around.

As if he can't wait for tomorrow. Winking

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Post by naxroy on Sat Oct 14, 2017 5:23 pm

Donaldson, Fognini, dimitrov, cilic, Federer

No draw excuse in this tournament, so we need to bring back time violation rant...

Whatever happens tomorrow its been two great weeks reading you guys.

Good luck to both champions, its such a joy to have federer and nadal

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Post by Daniel on Sat Oct 14, 2017 6:59 pm

Competition is shocking at moment, and it's because none of these players will serve and volley or drop shot.  If Federer turns up in any way, Nadal is going to look foolish being that far behind baseline.

And yes Nadal is breaking the rules repeatedly.  Which makes him what he is... a cheat.

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Re: Asian Swing 2017: Bejing/Tokyo & Shanghai

Post by Tenez on Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:02 am

Fed v Delpo = 175 points played in 117mn
Nadal v Cilic = 164  points played in 132mn

Had Nadal and Cilic played the same number of points as Fed/Delpo match it would have had required an extra 25mn. That's the equivalent of having roughly 16 additional change side breaks (90s each).

Let's bear in mind that in the 117mn Fed / Delpo played, only 17mn have ball in play. The other 100mn are rest or in between points. So imagine the rest the other match got.

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Post by summerblues on Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:28 am

Good luck to Fed.

Have not watched any tennis lately (and will not watch tonight either as it is in the middle of the night here).  Closest I came to it was in a dream a couple of weeks ago where Fed announced he would pull out of Shanghai and Paris due to a back injury.  Even in my dream I realized it was odd that he would still play Basel.

Glad to see he did not pull out.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:59 am

Tenez wrote:Fed v Delpo = 175 points played in 117mn
Nadal v Cilic = 164  points played in 132mn

Had Nadal and Cilic played the same number of points as Fed/Delpo match it would have had required an extra 25mn. That's the equivalent of having roughly 16 additional change side breaks (90s each).
That is quite amazing.
I think I read that Nole-Nadal AO 12 6 hour long match should've been 90 mins shorter had they not taken extra time between the points.
Tenez wrote:
Let's bear in mind that in the 117mn Fed / Delpo played,
only 17mn have ball in play. The other 100mn are rest or in between points.
So imagine the rest the other match got.
Another amazing stat showing the nature of tennis as a sport. How tough and intense it is.
Esp in this era if the players have fast exchanges like Fed and Delpo did. I was surprised how good Delpo was in those, don't remember him being toe to toe with Fed like that in the past.
Maybe he i proved his anticipation, can't put my finger on it, but he did not run that much at all, was always on the ball.
Mind you, he waw able to dictate with his big groundstrokes as his serve worked well.


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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:01 am

No predictions on today's match yet? Whistle

Ok, I'll break the ice - Fed in three!

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Post by Tenez on Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:10 am

noleisthebest wrote:That is quite amazing.
I think I read that Nole-Nadal AO 12 6 hour long match should've been 90 mins shorter had they not taken extra time between the points.
And this means they would have had to shorten the rallies.....making it even shorter.


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Post by Tenez on Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:14 am

noleisthebest wrote:No predictions on today's match yet? Whistle

Ok, I'll break the ice - Fed in three!

I won't be able to watch unfortunately.

I hope Fed will win. If he plays his best, for sure he will. I said earlier he could not play 5 matches in a row. I just hope I was wrong.

But this is what tennis is all about. It's not being better than your opponent on the day....it's about being fitter after 4 matches and ready for the final ones.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:19 am

I won't be able to watch first hour, either.
Hope to catch some of it towards the end.

From what I saw yesterday it's not going to be a pretty match, but Fed has looked quite determined all week.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:53 am

Fed kicking ass!!!! Comeon crush himmmmmmmmm
6:4, 4:3 Fed serving.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:59 am

OMG!!! Fed totally won this

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Post by DECIMA on Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:59 am

Too good from Federer!

Nadal played well during the week as a whole, he should schedule cleverly and come back in Paris rather than Basel.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:00 am

Too fast for Nadal today, and 1st serve from Fed superb.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:01 am

I managed to see last two games, Fed was very relaxed and all over Nadal.
Great serving and movement.

Nadal looked like a shadow of his mighty number one self. Not complaining. Winking

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Post by Jahu on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:02 am

Rafa sitting like he's been beaten by the teacher, sad little fuk he is, cheer up man.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:02 am

Nitb, ajkisju  Big Grin

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:03 am

Jahu wrote:Rafa sitting like he's been beaten by the teacher, sad little fuk he is, cheer up man.
My stream cut off, so can't see the ceremony.

Nadal knows he's the fake number one...

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:04 am

Jahu wrote:Nitb, ajkisju  Big Grin

What is the matter with you Yahoo?!!! Laugh

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Post by Jahu on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:04 am

Must be Fed  Laugh

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Post by Jahu on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:05 am

Whole Communist local Party on show, holy shit.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:06 am

DECIMA wrote:Too good from Federer!

Nadal played well during the week as a whole, he should schedule cleverly and come back in Paris rather than Basel.
I wish I could've seen the whole match!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:07 am

Jahu wrote:Whole Communist local Party on show, holy shit.
Yep, no equality there...

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:08 am

Becoming quite a run now, it’s be very interesting to see a clay match now provided the balls were decent.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:09 am

So Basel and WTF to win now, and F on Paris, should be enough to make me happy for this 2017  Big Grin

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Re: Asian Swing 2017: Bejing/Tokyo & Shanghai

Post by AceofDeath on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:09 am

See what happens when Nadal plays a real top 4 player on HC? 

Goes to show how bad the rest of the top 20 are!

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:10 am

AceofDeath wrote:See what happens when Nadal plays a real top 4 player on HC? 

Goes to show how bad the rest of the top 20 are!
Indeed. Bubbly

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:11 am

All being said, Nadalmhas dine exceptionally well to have this 2017.

I would have never predicted it in a million years.

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Post by Jahu on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:13 am

Yeah, both done amazing this year, and most of us thought it would be all Djoko/Andy/some new guy this year.

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Post by DECIMA on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:17 am

noleisthebest wrote:
DECIMA wrote:Too good from Federer!

Nadal played well during the week as a whole, he should schedule cleverly and come back in Paris rather than Basel.
I wish I could've seen the whole match!
Fed served and hit the ball very well, didn't go to the net much, tactically astute from the baseline.
Nadal was not at the level he's been at recently, didn't play that well against Cilic yesterday, and same again today, backhand in particular really poor- a shot that has been key for him in recent months. I don't think he should play in Basel, has to pace himself well. Had a strapping on his right knee, I don't think he was injured, but just a sign that he needs to schedule well.

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Post by DECIMA on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:20 am

Just checked the American tennis forum TTW, made me laugh Laugh
Some butthurt loser Nadal fan has made a thread titled 'Nadal was injured' and talking about the strapping on the knee, although he has no sources or evidence that this actually affected him.
Meanwhile Federer fans are getting very carried away, getting a bit overconfident.
Things change quickly in tennis! 2018 could be the year of Djok-urray! Or Federer may raise his game and dominate; or Nadal could do the same. Point is it's a bit silly to start making any assumptions with any certainty.

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Post by AceofDeath on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:24 am

Another couple more wins and the H2H will start to look more realistic. 

Hopefully Zverev or Kyrgios can lend Federer a hand rather than him doing all the work himself next year  Thumbs Up

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Post by AceofDeath on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:29 am

DECIMA wrote:Just checked the American tennis forum TTW, made me laugh Laugh
Some butthurt loser Nadal fan has made a thread titled 'Nadal was injured' and talking about the strapping on the knee, although he has no sources or evidence that this actually affected him.
Meanwhile Federer fans are getting very carried away, getting a bit overconfident.
Things change quickly in tennis! 2018 could be the year of Djok-urray! Or Federer may raise his game and dominate; or Nadal could do the same. Point is it's a bit silly to start making any assumptions with any certainty.  
Par for the course when Nadal loses to see that reaction in tennis forums. 

He lost to a 36 year old with 4 kids! Hilarious lmfao

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Post by DECIMA on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:36 am

AceofDeath wrote:
Par for the course when Nadal loses to see that reaction in tennis forums. 
Perhaps, but so is stuff like this:

AceofDeath wrote:
He lost to a 36 year old with 4 kids! Hilarious lmfao

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Post by bogbrush on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:41 am

It’s amazing to see what eliminating the defensive sliced backhand has done to this match up.

It’s like it’s become completely one-sided with one player having a strategy that the other has no answer to. Sounds familiar, just a pity he left it late to switch it round.

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Post by noleisthebest on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:59 am

bogbrush wrote:It’s amazing to see what eliminating the defensive sliced backhand has done to this match up.

It’s like it’s become completely one-sided with one player having a strategy that the other has no answer to. Sounds familiar, just a pity he left it late to switch it round.
I reckon Stan has inspired Fed with his late blossom, i.e. taking the ball early on his BH.
Fed must have said - if he can do it, I can do it even better!

And I don't think it was necessarily in order to beat Nadal - more Djokovic as he was giving him so much trouble in 2015. And Stan's aggressive early taken topspin SBH gave him so much stability vs Nole's excellent DBH.

So, Fed must have worked his socks off during his long break in 2016...and we could all see it straight away in AO!

The neoBH totally vanquished Nadal...and still is. I really don't think clay would make things much different. Hopefully, we get a chance to see it next year, evrn though Federer will be closing in on 37!!!

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Post by DECIMA on Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:02 pm

Rafa refusing to talk about his knee in post match conference. Some french journalist claims he's limping:

https://twitter.com/carole_bouchard

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Post by Jahu on Sun Oct 15, 2017 12:03 pm

Nadal has not broken Fed's serve since AO it seems.

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