Asian Swing 2017: Bejing/Tokyo & Shanghai
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Re: Asian Swing 2017: Bejing/Tokyo & Shanghai
Nadal using all the tricks to maximise time between points on crucial points. Often he uses the dust in his eyes.
Can't you see that Naxroy? Are you giving him credit of teh doubt once again?
Can't you see that Naxroy? Are you giving him credit of teh doubt once again?
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wow...dimi is so nervous....he played 3 awful FHs! He is much worse than Gasquet. If Gasquet had his fitness he woudl be much better.
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4 FHs stupid mistakes in a row!
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you can see teh difference between Dimi and Federer there. Fed woudl have won that one 2 and 2.
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Tenez wrote:Always had, really.noleisthebest wrote:I never thought I'd say it, but Murray's game has a lot more flair than Nadal's these days.
I prefer watching Nadal, a lot more dynamic with multiple gears. Murray game is not watchable for me at all. I rather watch some ladies match.
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Re: Asian Swing 2017: Bejing/Tokyo & Shanghai
2h32 min.....for a 3 setter. It's simply not right. leiani (whatever his name) was so lenient!
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Tenez wrote:you can see teh difference between Dimi and Federer there. Fed woudl have won that one 2 and 2.
The easiest to spot is the pace on shots, Fed's avg shot speed is well over Dimi's on both wings. Dimi also stands too far back and lacks all court game.
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Tenez wrote:2h32 min.....for a 3 setter. It's simply not right. leiani (whatever his name) was so lenient!
a more honest adjective beginning with "l" for Llayani is - lame.
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raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Tenez wrote:you can see teh difference between Dimi and Federer there. Fed woudl have won that one 2 and 2.
The easiest to spot is the pace on shots, Fed's avg shot speed is well over Dimi's on both wings. Dimi also stands too far back and lacks all court game.
I'd say accuracy and deeper shots. Something I notice recently was how deep fed hits the ball. Pretty impressive. But he needs to be on form for that.
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It's unfair to compare Federer and Dimi.Tenez wrote:you can see teh difference between Dimi and Federer there. Fed woudl have won that one 2 and 2.
The only thing Dimi has over Federer atm is his age/freshness.
All Dimi's groundstrokes suffer from taking the ball late.
Maybe he'll improve with age like Stan.
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Tenez wrote:wow...dimi is so nervous....he played 3 awful FHs! He is much worse than Gasquet. If Gasquet had his fitness he woudl be much better.
Gasquet is ft, just not the greatest athlete, born in the wrong era. Plus he stands too far back.
But certainly a much better BH & game (when he is playing well) than Dimi.
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I worked out an average of 7 seconds extra per point. so 32s on average instead of 25. 20mns more than it should have. How accurate Nadal woudl be if he had to run his marathon with 20mns to spare?noleisthebest wrote:Tenez wrote:2h32 min.....for a 3 setter. It's simply not right. leiani (whatever his name) was so lenient!
a more honest adjective beginning with "l" for Llayani is - lame.
Dimi on the other can only blame himself. The way he lost his serve was awful. Really gutless.
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raiders_of_the_lost_ark wrote:Tenez wrote:Always had, really.noleisthebest wrote:I never thought I'd say it, but Murray's game has a lot more flair than Nadal's these days.
I prefer watching Nadal, a lot more dynamic with multiple gears. Murray game is not watchable for me at all. I rather watch some ladies match.
Neither are watchable, but Murray's game now is more authentic than Nadal's. Murray has more versatility on his BH and is just a more cerebral player.
Nadal has lost his original style from a few years ago when he was always 4m behind the baseline.
Now it's just horrible as his groundstrokes have to be more compact but he hasn't changed the grip.
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Tenez wrote:I worked out an average of 7 seconds extra per point. so 32s on average instead of 25. 20mns more than it should have. How accurate Nadal woudl be if he had to run his marathon with 20mns to spare?noleisthebest wrote:Tenez wrote:2h32 min.....for a 3 setter. It's simply not right. leiani (whatever his name) was so lenient!
a more honest adjective beginning with "l" for Llayani is - lame.
Dimi on the other can only blame himself. The way he lost his serve was awful. Really gutless.
Yes, Dimi was extra bad today. A shadow of his AO self. DFs, FH errors, everything.
I also thought of Federer and how much better he would have handled everything.
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Well today he went back to 3m behind the baseline. I guess he is tired. he certainly did not have the same energy level as last week.noleisthebest wrote:...
Nadal has lost his original style from a few years ago when he was always 4m behind the baseline.
Now it's just horrible as his groundstrokes have to be more compact but he hasn't changed the grip.
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I'd be curious to see what is court pace? Do they check the pace after the bounce? this could be due to top players being more "concentrate" as the tournament goes on. Since they hit harder, then the pace may seem faster.
Any other clue?
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Interesting:
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/court-pace-index-tennis-court-speeds.585673/
But until we know what they call court speed.....
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/court-pace-index-tennis-court-speeds.585673/
But until we know what they call court speed.....
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Here is the definition:
The CPI is calculated as follows: CPI=100(1-μ)+150(0.81-e) Where μ is the coefficient of friction and e is the coefficient of restitution.
but.....
The CPI is calculated as follows: CPI=100(1-μ)+150(0.81-e) Where μ is the coefficient of friction and e is the coefficient of restitution.
but.....
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here is more information.....
https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/6s59lc/the_court_pace_index_cpi_of_masters_1000wtf_in/
To me al this CPI makes little sense...if balls size, weight and fluff are not into the equation.
Slazengers can make Wimbledon slower than clay.
https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/6s59lc/the_court_pace_index_cpi_of_masters_1000wtf_in/
To me al this CPI makes little sense...if balls size, weight and fluff are not into the equation.
Slazengers can make Wimbledon slower than clay.
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But how can the CPI change overnight in Shanghai? CPI data should be fixed right? I mean the changing elements like temperature and or humidity are no CPI factors..
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gallery play wrote:But how can the CPI change overnight in Shanghai? CPI data should be fixed right? I mean the changing elements like temperature and or humidity are no CPI factors..
Exactly. God knows what they were measuring. Even Wimbledon grass doesn't change that much let alone decoturf...Trying to pull wool over people's eyes...
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Wow, Viktor ripping winners down the line left right and centre!
Go Vic!
Go Vic!
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For having played on HC a lot, i noticed that the courts get faster as the paint wears off (gets polished by footwork). But in my club this take 3 months. there it seems much faster than it shoudl.gallery play wrote:But how can the CPI change overnight in Shanghai? CPI data should be fixed right? I mean the changing elements like temperature and or humidity are no CPI factors..
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Apparently Delpo was rushed to hospital for an x-ray on his wrist
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I am actually annoyed with him.luvsports! wrote:Apparently Delpo was rushed to hospital for an x-ray on his wrist
He fell on his wrist at 15:15 ion Viktor's serve. Had doctor run around him for 5-10 mins.
Continued the game bashing the ball as har as he could and broke Viktor.
And that was it.
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From Federer's perspective, a w.o. woudl be ideal. I know I am mean.
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No you're not!Tenez wrote:From Federer's perspective, a w.o. woudl be ideal. I know I am mean.
Delpo is a fool if he turns up to play tomorrow.
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Why...after having been on the bench for so long before because of his wrist, I understand he cautious approach. He is a nice guy even if I agree bordering gamesmanship at times.noleisthebest wrote:No you're not!Tenez wrote:From Federer's perspective, a w.o. woudl be ideal. I know I am mean.
Delpo is a fool if he turns up to play tomorrow.
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Tenez wrote:Why...after having been on the bench for so long before because of his wrist, I understand he cautious approach. He is a nice guy even if I agree bordering gamesmanship at times.noleisthebest wrote:No you're not!Tenez wrote:From Federer's perspective, a w.o. woudl be ideal. I know I am mean.
Delpo is a fool if he turns up to play tomorrow.
It was a heavy fall, his whole weight landed on the wrist.
I felt sorry for him after all he went through with both wrists...and then he gets up and starts bashing the ball harder than before the fall.
That was puzzling if not stupid.
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CIlic blowing set points vs rafa
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AAAnnnnd he's broken Cilic. Classic.
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Classic indeed. Nadal must be the player who saved the most BPs, SPs and MPs in the history of the sport.
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Annoying to see Carlos being so tamed by Nadal's time violation. I don't hold him responsible for it as he simply wants to work and make money...the problem is the ATP letting this happen again!
That is the proof there would hide doping again, like they did for Agassi years ago. Nothing new under the sun.
That is the proof there would hide doping again, like they did for Agassi years ago. Nothing new under the sun.
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Yeah must be because he’s so mentally weakTenez wrote:Classic indeed. Nadal must be the player who saved the most BPs, SPs and MPs in the history of the sport.
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Yes, and unfortunately it's turned me off watching his matches now.Tenez wrote:Annoying to see Carlos being so tamed by Nadal's time violation. I don't hold him responsible for it as he simply wants to work and make money...the problem is the ATP letting this happen again!
That is the proof there would hide doping again, like they did for Agassi years ago. Nothing new under the sun.
But I think if he plays Federer tomorrow, umpiring should be better.
At least I can hope!
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DECIMA wrote:Yeah must be because he’s so mentally weakTenez wrote:Classic indeed. Nadal must be the player who saved the most BPs, SPs and MPs in the history of the sport.
Indeed. If he were mentally strong, he woudl not get to SPs in the first place.
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And that was a mentally weak volley. Again a drop shot volley....we have yet to see a proper punched volley low over the net from nadal!
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looks like Nadal's arm is now full of acid lactic and has lost his power/control.
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Yeah looks like itTenez wrote:looks like Nadal's arm is now full of acid lactic and has lost his power/control.
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And this mental weakness is confirmed once again!
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he is lucky The tall Cilic is even mentally weaker....though at least he takes the risk. It's much harder on the mind that running around spinning the ball back.
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I just saw the 3:5 TB point from Cilic...the stupid wild BH, same as Dimi on the FH yesterday.
I don't get it how so many players get sucked in Nadal's sweaty vortex.
I don't get it how so many players get sucked in Nadal's sweaty vortex.
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Only those who have done it can appreciate it it seems.Tenez wrote:he is lucky The tall Cilic is even mentally weaker....though at least he takes the risk. It's much harder on the mind that running around spinning the ball back.
Commentators don't help in educating the masses.
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Delpo heading to the first set
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US Open/Asia has been a stat padding exercise for Nadal.
Easy to look good with barely any competition.
Easy to look good with barely any competition.
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I can see why Decima gets tired of this stuff. He is beating everyone who is up against him, everyone benefits from easy draws now and again.
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Yes Roger, that volley should have gone CC!
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