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Who is going to win the US Open 2017?

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Re: Who is going to win the US Open 2017?

Post by naxroy on Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:42 am

I dont think Nadal 2009 (second half) was a better player than today

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:01 am

Naxroy,

how do you explain Nadal never won WTF?

Please don't say it's because it's indoors and not on clay. A player of such percieved talent (by his fans great and small) can surely  beat and dominate best 8 players in a year he won 3 slams, at least!

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:05 am

And a question for all who all think Nadal is a great tennis talent:

why is it that he can't play indoors?
What skill is he missing?

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Post by naxroy on Fri Sep 08, 2017 11:29 am

he never won wtf because he was not good enough in the moment, I guess.

winning depends on lots of things, of course talent, fitness, mindset, luck, and of course some players are better on certain surfaces

nadal is a great of the sport, no doubt about that, he can win in all surfaces, as he has done, but still he is not as great on hardcourts as he is on clay.

thats the kind of tennis player he is, we fans love him being the best ever on clay, and we enjoy a lot with his wins off clay, because those come less expected... but over the years he put together rather a pretty impressive CV off clay I would say, so yes, he could have well won a couple of WTF by now... but he didnt

does that mean he is not talented? dont think so

other greats havent won the grandlsam, other havent won an olimpic gold or a davis cup...

yes, wtf, paris, shagai... those are tournaments where nadal has not performed as well as in slams or the rest of masters

they have in common the time of the year, so I guess  that must have something to do.

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:16 pm

naxroy wrote:he never won wtf because he was not good enough in the moment, I guess.

winning depends on lots of things, of course talent, fitness, mindset, luck, and of course some players are better on certain surfaces

nadal is a great of the sport, no doubt about that, he can win in all surfaces, as he has done, but still he is not as great on hardcourts as he is on clay.

thats the kind of tennis player he is, we fans love him being the best ever on clay, and we enjoy a lot with his wins off clay, because those come less expected... but over the years he put together rather a pretty impressive CV off clay I would say, so yes, he could have well won a couple of WTF by now... but he didnt
Yes, but why did he not?
For someone who has 14 slams...and whose fans aspire to crown him GOAT?
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other greats havent won the grandlsam, other havent won an olimpic gold or a davis cup...
from memory olimpic games in Beijing were played indoors.
Federer, Murray, Nole, Stan, Delpo all have Davis Cup and an olympic medal...which I don't count much as a tennis achievement mainly as Olympic tennis is played as a best of 3 sets and Davis Cup is a team achievement.

WTF is also a best of 3 now but it is the 8 best players of the year.
And indoor means PERFECT playing conditions where talent should shine.
When WTF was moved to London, surface was different, it is now a slow sandy, rough surface...and even there Nadal could not win.

It's a very big question mark over his career.
naxroy wrote:
they have in common the time of the year, so I guess  that must have something to

And what could that "something" be?

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Post by gallery play on Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:32 pm

noleisthebest wrote:And a question for all who all think Nadal is a great tennis talent:

why is it that he can't play indoors?
What skill is he missing?
Altough i'm not one who thinks Nadal is a "great" tennis talent, here's my respond anyway.

He's a mediocre indoor player because indoors he has less chance to bring in his main weapons: the 4 s: spin, speed, strength and stamina

The ball flies too fast and too low for him to get under the ball en inject spin
the ball flies too fast to rely on retrieving
The ball flies fast enough for decent players to hit winners (hit through Nadal)
The game goes too fast to rely on exhausting the opponant

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:38 pm

gallery play wrote:
noleisthebest wrote:And a question for all who all think Nadal is a great tennis talent:

why is it that he can't play indoors?
What skill is he missing?
Altough i'm not one who thinks Nadal is a "great" tennis talent, here's my respond anyway.

He's a mediocre indoor player because indoors he has less chance to bring in his main weapons: the 4 s: spin, speed, strength and stamina

The ball flies too fast and too low for him to get under the ball en inject spin
the ball flies too fast to rely on retrieving
The ball flies fast enough for decent players to hit winners (hit through Nadal)
The game goes too fast to rely on exhausting the opponant
In short, he is a one trick pony with a 1d game.
Surely someone with talent can adapt to low & skidding bounce.
Thank you GP Big Grin

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Post by gallery play on Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:48 pm

Yeah, but like Fed once said: he's so bloody good in that 1d game...

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Post by noleisthebest on Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:52 pm

gallery play wrote:Yeah, but like Fed once said: he's so bloody good in that 1d game...
Correction!
He was allowed to be.

A picture paints a thousand words...


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Re: Who is going to win the US Open 2017?

Post by naxroy on Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:12 pm

NITB

if you want to believe that nadal has no talent and that he is a one trick poney, fine.

nadal achievements are there, and I as a fan am quite happy with what he managed.

I also enjoy watching the rest of great players I had the luck to watch since I started loving tennis back in the 80s

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Re: Who is going to win the US Open 2017?

Post by Tenez on Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:31 pm

Who were your favourite players from the 80s Naxroy?

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Re: Who is going to win the US Open 2017?

Post by Daniel on Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:42 pm

He was made to look a joke.

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Re: Who is going to win the US Open 2017?

Post by Daniel on Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:10 am

Sadly, he couldn't bring his best with him from set 2 on and the serve evaporated.  Nadal has had the easiest draw in living memory and the easiest 4 slam draws I have ever seen, as well.

Anderson's chances are slim.

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