Re: US open prediction game: Day 8

by Tenez Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:23 pm

Tenez wrote:More than the court it seems to be the ball. It does not cut through the air.

1 ace in 7 games! That's not the USO of old.

by bogbrush Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:31 pm

Tenez, the guy is obviously unwell as has 60% power. Additionally they are hitting with excessivel topspin.

Lopez / Federer for one example contained abundant hitting well past the opponent.

I'm not saying this is a fast court but it's playable.

by Tenez Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:37 pm

looks like Brad agrees on this one!

http://www.menstennisforums.com/2-general-messages/926614-us-open-court-reportedly-slow-high-bouncing.html

by Tenez Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:41 pm

bogbrush wrote:Tenez, the guy is obviously unwell as has 60% power. Additionally they are hitting with excessivel topspin.

Lopez / Federer for one example contained abundant hitting well past the opponent.

I'm not saying this is a fast court but it's playable.

I can see he is unwell but that's a different discussion. The conds are particularly slow. they are 2 players serving and the aces count is ridiculously small but the ball going through the air is very slow.

42 UEs between those 2 for 11 winners!!! com'on!! I am stunned you can't see it!

by bogbrush Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:48 pm

Everyone knows it's slow, I just think you're overdoing it. That said, is it particularly humid? I've seen far more penetration through the court in earlier matches so if it's not the players it might be atmospheric.

by Tenez Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:00 pm

bogbrush wrote:Everyone knows it's slow, I just think you're overdoing it. That said, is it particularly humid? I've seen far more penetration through the court in earlier matches so if it's not the players it might be atmospheric.

1 ace in 15 games!!! That's particularly bad, especially versus an unfit player.

by Tenez Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:08 pm

So Federer, should he pass Kholi, should play 2 Nadals in a row. the SHBH RH version and then the DHBH LH one.

by bogbrush Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:27 pm

Yeah, though he might just get JMDP in a barely believable turnaround.

by Tenez Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:30 pm

ideally but I doubt it. Anyway a 5 setter between those 2 is what fed wants!

by bogbrush Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:39 pm

What the Hell us Thiem doing here? Stupid.

Good for Fed though.

by Slippy Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:43 pm

I don't think Fed wants the DP of the last set and a half. He's scorching the ball through the court. Thiem will be a much more comfortable match.

by Slippy Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:44 pm

Literally too quick for Thiem to hit!

by Slippy Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:46 pm

Great break back for Thiem. That's a huge game.

by Tenez Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:52 pm

Slippy wrote:I don't think Fed wants the DP of the last set and a half. He's scorching the ball through the court. Thiem will be a much more comfortable match.

I differ. Thiem is a very physical player. There is no easy point against him as he brings a lot of them back and his spin pushes players back and forces lots of running. very different to Lopez and his flat shots.

by Slippy Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:57 pm

What a volley from Thiem! All credit to him, he looked as though he was fading against the power of DP but he's been sensational the last few games.

by Daniel Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:59 pm

That's the end of Del Potro's challenge probably. But he's certainly getting his form back. Just shame he keeps getting bad draws. It's good news for Fed because Thiem doesn't have the same weapons as Del Potro.

by summerblues Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:07 am

Just got back home; thought Delpo would have lost in straights by now (I saw the score midway through the second).

by Daniel Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:08 am

It's shots like that one which are the reason he's still in it.

by Daniel Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:09 am

He's refusing to kneel.

by Daniel Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:10 am

Holy crap on a cracker.... Del Potro pulled off an amazing shot there which has turned it all around.

GAME ON.

by Slippy Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:10 am

Back on serve! Great match this.

by Daniel Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:11 am

See this is the difference... Del Potro not only able to hit those winners when it counts... but having the nerve. Thiem got real nervous after that down the line massacre.

by summerblues Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:12 am

I cannot believe players have hard time beating Delpo even though he has no BH. I suspect Fed would take him apart so easily.

Anyway, for this match the longer it goes the better (I will change my mind quickly if Fed loses to Kohli - then I will want fresh Delpo or Thiem smiley

)

by bogbrush Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:12 am

Crazy

by Daniel Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:13 am

No backhand? Not from what I've seen.

by Daniel Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:14 am

Another winner... Thiem is gonna be shitting it.

by Daniel Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:18 am

But you don't need a huge backhand when your forehand is THIS good and your serve is excellent. Del Potro on form can beat anyone. I hd him down as a dark horse at the start - he's someone you just don't want to play.

by Daniel Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:24 am

HUGE serves to stay in it. He's fave for the tiebreak. Thiem didnt do anything wrong that game.. just too damn good from Del.

by Slippy Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:29 am

Those two aces to save the match points and the forehand to win the tiebreak! This is some match. How does Thiem recover from that?

by Daniel Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:30 am

Those forehands are evil. They're about the only shot that could trouble federer at his prime on this surface., And they'll be a big problem again should they meet.

by Daniel Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:31 am

Slippy wrote:Those two aces to save the match points and the forehand to win the tiebreak! This is some match. How does Thiem recover from that?

Evidence from history of these kinds of matches is... he doesn't. If he manages to regroup now, then that will be a very special thing. All the momentum and belief and form is with Del Potro. Thiem looks like he's been hit by a truck. And that's not far from the truth.

by Daniel Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:37 am

Del Potro is hands down one of the best fighters I have seen... he just will NOT go away.

by Daniel Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:47 am

Federer breaks. But I am ssticking with this match.

by bogbrush Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:48 am

Who would Feferer prefer?

by Jahu Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:48 am

If not match of the year, then match of the summer this, amazing shots form both, Delpo saved the 4th on serve, though Dom just got tired a little.

by Daniel Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:49 am

bogbrush wrote:Who would Feferer prefer?

Thiem. Without a doubt. He knows Del Potro can beat him. He knows how dangerous his FH and serve are. Thiem is inexperienced and has level drops and no huge weapon like Del's forehand.

Thiem's overall game and backhand dlt are good... but they aren't devastating.

by Jahu Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:50 am

bogbrush wrote:Who would Feferer prefer?

Probably Thiem, but I know that either delpo or thiem would beat the shit out of Nadal tonight with this game!!

by Tenez Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:50 am

bogbrush wrote:Who would Feferer prefer?

A tired delpo over a Duracell Thiem any day.

by Jahu Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:50 am

Thiem needs 1 extra meter to be closer to the line.

by Daniel Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:50 am

Tenez wrote:
bogbrush wrote:Who would Feferer prefer?
A tired delpo over a Duracell Thiem any day.

And your evidence for Delpo being tired is....?

by Daniel Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:51 am

Tired players don't play like Del Potro is here.

by Jahu Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:52 am

Delpo looks like he can take on another 3 sets ffs.

by Daniel Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:56 am

Thiem threw his hands in the air then asking how it was possible to hit a forehand like that.

by bogbrush Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:00 am

1st set Fed

by bogbrush Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:01 am

Some handy Argentine girls there.

by summerblues Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:01 am

Federer not playing as well as vs Lopez but still takes the first set relatively easily.

by summerblues Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:02 am

bogbrush wrote:Who would Feferer prefer?

Delpo, of course.

by Tenez Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:03 am

summerblues wrote:Federer not playing as well as vs Lopez but still takes the first set relatively easily.

Did I see a 85mph first serve in the same game he dfed?

by bogbrush Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:04 am

I just saw a 124 mph serve from him there.

by Slippy Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:05 am

Daniel wrote:
Slippy wrote:Those two aces to save the match points and the forehand to win the tiebreak! This is some match. How does Thiem recover from that?

Evidence from history of these kinds of matches is... he doesn't. If he manages to regroup now, then that will be a very special thing. All the momentum and belief and form is with Del Potro. Thiem looks like he's been hit by a truck. And that's not far from the truth.

In fairness to Thiem, he's showed two things this match I didn't know he had. First, technically he's played some insane shots off full power DP hitting which required serious hand skills. Secondly, every time I think he's rocking he's hit back with stunning tennis. I think he's slight underdog given how tough Potro is under pressure but he's fought hard.

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