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Can Federer '17 exceed Federer '05?

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Can Federer '17 exceed Federer '05?

Post by HM Murdoch on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:38 am

In 2005, Federer produced an amazing W/L record of 81-4.

I've always thought, however, that the number of big titles won was on the low side for such a great W/L record: 2 slams and 4 Masters (he also won 2 500s and 3 250s).

So far in 2017, Federer has a W/L record of 31-2 and already has 2 slams and 2 Masters to his name.

So what do you think? Will the results of 2017 exceed the 'peak period' season of 2005?

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Re: Can Federer '17 exceed Federer '05?

Post by bogbrush on Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:46 pm

It'd be a bit of a twist given he skipped all those clay slogs but I think he's got every chance of topping 2/4.

There's one really odd stat still alive; so far in 2017 he has reached match point in every match he's played.

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Re: Can Federer '17 exceed Federer '05?

Post by ... on Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:10 pm

Did he really win "so little" back then?

Just shows how misleading rose tinted glasses of time can be.

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Re: Can Federer '17 exceed Federer '05?

Post by Tenez on Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:56 pm

I really don't think he can. Simply cause he is too old. If he had been 25, playing like today, I m pretty sure he would not have lost a single match so far.

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Re: Can Federer '17 exceed Federer '05?

Post by HM Murdoch on Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:35 pm

Tenez wrote:I really don't think he can. Simply cause he is too old. If he had been 25, playing like today, I m pretty sure he would not have lost a single match so far.
He won't play 85 matches like he did in 2005 but I think he has a good chance of winning more big titles.

He has four HC Masters, a slam and WTF available to him. If he wins any two of those, he at least equals 2005. Depending on which two he wins, he could exceed 2005.

I'd be surprised if he didn't have two more titles in him this year.

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Re: Can Federer '17 exceed Federer '05?

Post by ... on Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:57 pm

I have a crazy feeling he will thrill us one more time this year.
And that he will play his very best tennis.
Better even than in AO.

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Re: Can Federer '17 exceed Federer '05?

Post by bogbrush on Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:00 pm

I agree Murdoch. Without Djokovic around I'd say he's 30% (favourite) for the USO and a very good bet at the O2.

Those alone would comfortably beat '05, and that's ignoring any Masters opportunities.

Then again he might win nothing.

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Re: Can Federer '17 exceed Federer '05?

Post by Tenez on Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:03 pm

05 was not his best year then in terms of titles.

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Re: Can Federer '17 exceed Federer '05?

Post by summerblues on Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:21 am

2005 was Fed's best year in terms of W/L but not in terms of titles (he did not win AO and was injured in fall, which also cost him some titles).

In 2006 he won three slams and 4 Masters 1000 (+ATP tour finals).

My expectation is that he will not perform quite as well as people think he will.  I just do not think at his current age he can win week after week.  It will be great if I am proven wrong, but I am not counting on it.  Instead, I have quite modest hopes - USO title and YE #1 would be good enough. smiley

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Post by summerblues on Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:24 am

... wrote:And that he will play his very best tennis.
Better even than in AO.
I think he can play better than at AO.  He was playing well there but I believe him when he says he surprised himself, because he was planning to peak later in the year.  I hope he plays top shelf tennis at the USO.  The surface should suit him just fine - he should be able to be more aggressive there than in Australia, and he should also be able to take full advantage of his new BH.  I am expecting some very aggressive returning from him.

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Re: Can Federer '17 exceed Federer '05?

Post by Daniel on Wed Aug 09, 2017 5:24 am

No. He can't.  Already he hasn't (and he also skipped clay). But for a 35 year old, what he is doing has never been done before. I don't think winning 3 slams equates to all the other results or that WL amount in 2005 either. And that's IF he wins the US - which is a massive IF, despite what people think.

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Re: Can Federer '17 exceed Federer '05?

Post by ... on Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:13 am

Can Maestro add to THIS collection of shots?


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Re: Can Federer '17 exceed Federer '05?

Post by ... on Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:38 am

summerblues wrote:
... wrote:And that he will play his very best tennis.
Better even than in AO.
I think he can play better than at AO.  He was playing well there but I believe him when he says he surprised himself, because he was planning to peak later in the year.  I hope he plays top shelf tennis at the USO.  The surface should suit him just fine - he should be able to be more aggressive there than in Australia, and he should also be able to take full advantage of his new BH.  I am expecting some very aggressive returning from him.

Yes, USO courts always produced great matches, def more than AO.

Federer is the man to beat in NY. A healthy Kyrgios only could maybe take two sets off him.


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Re: Can Federer '17 exceed Federer '05?

Post by Slippy on Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:28 pm

Winning the US Open will make this a more successful season than 2005.

However, I think the real question being posed is whether Fed can better the win-loss percentage from that year? My expectation is that he probably won't. I can't see him going unbeaten for the rest of the season and one loss would require another 30 wins to better the % from 2005. Two losses and I don't think it's even possible. 

I suspect he will end up somewhere around 55-5 for the season, which will itself be remarkable.

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Re: Can Federer '17 exceed Federer '05?

Post by Tenez on Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:08 pm

The win loss percentage is irrelevant to me. Those are records you care when you are 20-27. From now it's all about titles and number 1.

I woudl not care if Fed lost Cincy and Canada ....as long as he gathers more points than Nadal. One more slam and teh world number 1 is all that matters.

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